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Well Nem started really isolated too you must remember. We could have warred MAD I suppose but that would have spelled our doom. Same with Carnage. The threat was the huge north alliance...looking back, we should have fought the northern KDs sooner. But we really had to wipe you guys as much as possible before Arma - we saw how fast MAD collapsed :P

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Mr. Asystole Report 10/11/2007 10:19:59 AM	Well Nem started really isolated too you must remember. We could have warred MAD I suppose but that would have spelled our doom. Same with Carnage. The threat was the huge north alliance...looking back, we should have fought the northern KDs sooner. But we really had to wipe you guys as much as possible before Arma - we saw how fast MAD collapsed :P

what? are u talking about early era, then suddenly jump to end of era time frame? -_-

Let me get this straight? Are you trying to suggest our "advantageous NAP with Carnage" was the reason you NAP'ed every other single kingdom? Is this another lie coming from your mouth?


The NAP with Carnage only came about on our side AFTER NMS' flanking movement on DB. We probably would of continued warring Carnage had NMS not intervened making it 4v2 against us, we were all for warring them (and it was a good fight) until NMS jumped on the bandwagon. When you did intervene (and you have already admitted, you only intervened after NAPing MAD and all the other KDs to cover your rear), we NAP'ed Carnage. NOT the other way around, like you're suggesting.

It isnt' an issue of the chicken or the egg here. NMS keeps lying at every opportunity. YOU NAP'ed the northern kds before we NAP'ed Carnage. End of. How many more lies do we need to hear?

• First stating you heard LGC had organised an alliance against yourselves.
• Then saying you had the intentions of warring LGC/DB solely all along.
• Then saying LGC triggered the war.
• And now saying you NAP'ed all of them because we NAP'ed Carnage first? Complete and utter  BS.

Backtrack all you like. I read as I saw.

Mr. Sun Report 10/11/2007 8:16:07 AM

@asystole, MAD did not immediately war us OOP, you have been mistaken. it was in the middle of warring carnage did we have 2 ppl check out mad with their armies. mind you they had bigger mines already built when we checked them out, took them a while to get rid of 2 armies lol.

Mr. Asystole Report 10/11/2007 8:19:59 AM

Well Nem started really isolated too you must remember. We could have warred MAD I suppose but that would have spelled our doom. Same with Carnage. The threat was the huge north alliance...looking back, we should have fought the northern KDs sooner. But we really had to wipe you guys as much as possible before Arma - we saw how fast MAD collapsed :P

Guys,

That's quite funny indeed.

@ Sun I would say that he forgets too easy that even before any Nemesis army was attacking DB core, MAD already had a couple of big armies inside it....and it took a little bit moret than 2 people and a little bit more thatn 2 weeks in that case to push us back (though I agree the last week Nemesis jouned the battle).

Mad did not attack DB. We were attacked. Quietone asked us for a Nap after they attacked, with great showing of honor indeed:)...and we did not accept it.

The "collapse" Asystole is mentioning happened just in the last 2 weeks, when after the flaming most of Mad folks lost interest for the game and just went inactive:)...it happens.

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After all of this I want to say:

- Nemesis deserved victory on the field. Exploring and training troops at the right time is a strategy that everybody can follow. Same for diplomatic relations. People can easily or not easily replicate what they did in the next eras. This time they did and they are the true winners.

- Mad did its own mistakes, but we showed some good playing as well, at least in the first 4 weeks.

- DB/Legacy: I am sure next era will do better and will "adjust" their diplomatics to contain their deafetors of this era....but this era they clearly lost...although they showed some good playing. Sorry guys....but you gotta admit defeats.

- Northen alliance...really dont know. The impression is that they explored a lot and the yhad easy wars all along era....too easy to be evaluated this era.

- Carnage: well, I dont like their leaders. Apparently they had good fights against Legacy and they did some good playing against northen alliance. A good era for them. I suggest for the future to respect your Naps agreement a bit more effectively...because against Mad...lord yearean broke the Nap 2 times at least.

Good luck for the next one;). 

<- Carnage: well, I dont like their leaders. Apparently they had good fights against Legacy and they did some good playing against northen alliance. A good era for them. I suggest for the future to respect your Naps agreement a bit more effectively...because against Mad...lord yearean broke the Nap 2 times at least.>

Heh, do we really need to get into the issue of nap breaking? Because some mad players seem to be good at it as well

but its end of era, really no sense in dragging this out...

Loved the leader comment, DESPITE you never talking to me, and i am a leader, so its great to see some still erroneously generalize kingdoms.....

Loved the leader comment, DESPITE you never talking to me, and i am a leader, so its great to see some still erroneously generalize kingdoms.....

Funny coming from Blue, the one who just deletes messages from other KD's Vices :)

Well judging the number of messages Nem received from Carnage in game, vs the number of flames on here.....it should be little surprise we didn't go out of our way to help you.

There have been a couple of carnage players to send some flammatory posts nemesis way, thats their opinion, we dont restrict free speech in our kingdom.

Then you should realize that will impact how other KDs view and treat you in game. It only takes one or two to give your whole KD a certain image.

lord yearean broke the Nap 2 times at least.
1. I broke the NAP *once*, when letting in Sun through Front blocker. You had NO CITIES NOR ARMIES in the area when I let Sun pass through Doh.
2. I made a PUBLIC apology (go look in the dictionary for APOLOGY, as you clearly have no idea what it is..) to MAD for that.
3. Slade II prepped on our armories, Hilario took a city when he was asked to WRECK (and he did it 3days later, when THERE WAS NO MORE NEED), Slade II took a 50k miner THAT I WAS BUILDING IN for no reason. As well as prepping on gates, asking to open them, then IMMEDIATELY going offline for 20 hours, thus leaving the gates open and let enemy armies pass.
4. Anything I forgot? Oh yeah! Our NAP with DB states that we have to open blockers on request. And considering their NAP was made first, it was followed first.
5. Ohhh now that I remember, you let in Zeon and Music armies through your blockers into our territory, thus breaking the NAP.

So Geppus, don't complain about me opening a gate once to let a 20k DB army in (that you killed almost instantly)....

cheers and have fun!!

yes you are a EVul seperatist !!

there cavemaster you know how we dwarf can store over 375k cave master in a city lol

so they steal each other's gold! duh!

@ Sun

Actually I thought you were a bit more experienced than what you think you are. Although I know you would die to know how my little nazuls army came to disturb your quiet night sleeps, I wont tell you... sorry:). Only thing I can tell you is that I am against buying Bts:)...contrary to what the majority of your mates is doing (Draiken did it agaianst me i na couple of occasions for instance...and I know dvmasta does it as well for his own admission in public forums).  

About your valuations, they are very changeable..so personally dont care. The proof...? Well read again what you wrote to me when I was pawning your arsse:).

..and you are right about Khan...he was the biggest threat to you guys...it's a pity that you trapped his army isolated in your area with the wall trick...but oh well:)...I normally dont expect a lot from your likes:). Good luck for next era....

Mr. Sun [DB] (8/29/2007 9:45:08 PM)
just to let you know - no matter how many BTs you bought, your placement of armies, MUs, MTs, and construction of GT's, its all f*king brilliant. although buying BTs ruins the game, its flawless tactics such as yours that make this game so interesting - not only do you have power (BTs or not), you have wisdom - no matter what move i shall make, as long as you are online, you can counter it with mobility or magic or the sheer strength of the almighty army. you put time as your weapon, space as your shield, magic as your pawn. you are one true chess mastermind. checkmate for now, my friend. but lets not be overly optimistic here! even the best chess master make mistakes moving the pieces at times. now if (only) you did not buy any BTs, you would be the best commander and tactician in VU.

I for one tried to have a good working relationship with Nemesis. Most of the guys I PM'ed seemed to be good blokes and were willing to work with me. I have never had an alliance that was so pointless. No offence to Nemesis as a kingdom but their leadership prevented them from actively aiding us in favour of a CF they made with others. My understanding of diplomacy is that an alliance is a stronger bond than a CF. Even when Nemesis had DB and Legacy beaten they continued to sit on the fence with Zeon and Co. To their credit some of their guys wanted to fight with us and even moved troops into postion but they were told not to act in our favour.

As for the flames in the forums. Well if you look at the dates you will find they coincide with Nemesis letting large armies into one of our areas. Anyone can see that sitting on the fence is one thing but actively helping our mutual enemy is another.

I just cant understand their attitude towards us as allies. Together we could have wiped out the northern alliance and they still could have taken out DB and Legacy. Unless, of course, they wanted to secure top spot in the scores.

PKS and FF can attest to our abilities as allies as we can attest to theirs. One things for sure, we are definitely better allies than enemies...lol. Anyway, no hard feelings and lets all start looking to next era.. Cheers.

I am pretty inactive this era, and my viceroys and fellow colleagues can attest to that. But even as an inactive player, I can see that Nemesis did not turn out to be a good ally as a kingdom, though I have immerse respect for a lot of their players. When we were fighting for our lives (and it was a good fight for all) at the start of the era, or fighting BoW, Music and Zeon later, Nemesis was only hell-bent on getting LGC/DB. We will be fine if you had repsected our diplomatic relations, as much as we had respected yours. But alas, that is not to be. I respect the generals, but not the kingdom.

After reading some of Nemesis players' posts, I suddenly recall long ago in the forums, some players will hide behind their kingdom colours to flame and criticise other players/kingdoms, simply due to the fact that they were more powerful, if not the most. Now, it is very appearant we now, once again, have these types of players in the forums.

Back onto the topic, I felt sad for BoW. It is a kingdom of long tradition, and it saddens me to see its collapse. But I know for sure, the proud howl of the wolf will not die, and if the leaders can pick up the pieces and move on.

As for Zeon, well, good fight at the end, but really, the trumpet music at the start of the battles was really to entertain us, or to boost your already low morale? I had seen kingdoms whose unbashfulness lead to both unpopularity and downfall. I hope that Zeon, whose transformation from a simple "cult" orientated kingdom to something more sophisicated will not follow the path of the drunken monks.

Carnage Brethrens! We had spoken with our swords in the past, and we will do so in the future. The poison of the pen is always un-noticeable, until your very death by it. Deus Vult! HAVOC!

Well, I just wanna say that Carnage did great. Thanks for making this era not so boring.

If i was doing well with an HoH army only 1/3 the strength of your troops (which you were SO SCARED OF LOL), you should call me a "n0ob" instead of "pretty well" UNLESS YOU bought BTs or using feeding tactics for your 1 week nazgul army ^^ You vastly disappointed me shortly after I sent you the igm, you were too chicken to go around in our core, and simply sat on your @ss for a whole good week

Dear Sun, In fact I went into your core and was getting to your oother mines. and i even went in alone if you rememebr well.  If it was not for Legacy (magic and merge)....at this point of the era you would be shooting messages from Nirvana:). of course i waiting a wekk to wait for reinforements coming from my otehr mates:)...and to train 3k more nazuls....but i am not sure you realized in your delirium...

P.s.: I am not rude with people that are not rude. You re-read your messages and you will see that you started it all.

:)...you are getting too stressed...