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If either Kingdom Casted Arma at this point, i doubt the other kingdom would be able to stop them...

Im not gonna comment for the whole Immortals leadership but at least I personaly prefer to finish the era so that there is absolutely no question of who won, in kd power its still kinda close. :)

Spawning should be fixed oop battles banned its not fun to die oop and wait an entire era for the era to end..

 [in terms of skill, activity, ability, communication, etc]

Legacy would win an OOP battle vs any kd with equal numbers. Just because of Binh

It is bigger than that.

 You guys put him (Binh) on a pedestal, but he is beatable as aisha mentioned. Now im not putting him down as he is every bit as good as people say, having played with and against him. just if you overestimate someone or think they are unbeatable you will usually lose to them.

Binh is pretty much the best player of current times in the game when he has full activity. That aspect is undeniable.

Unfortunately, his ability and accomplishment gives Legacy an unnecessary cocky arrogance. They (most Legaciists) immediately proceed to think that just because they have Binh, and because all the vets / elitists of the VU world want to sign up to play for Legacy, therefore, all other kingdoms are not up to their level, and any kingdom that defeats them must have i) Mass-NAPped, ii) Mass-Recruited, iii) cheated, iv) Farmed or done something else unethical.

You will never heard most Legaciists saying: You beat us fair and square. Job well done. To them, there is no conceivable way they would have lost to any kingdom in a "fair fight".

Please maintain this attitude, Legacy, thanks.

Its the truth, isn't it, Stirlin? I've played on Fantasia 5 times in the past 8 eras. All 5, the kingdom I was in won. Bar the first victory in which we were complete unknowns, every other victory has received a Legacy criticism of some sort. Only Binh congratulates us sincerely. But for many other Legacians, it is always something like: Oh, you mass NAPped. Oh, you mass recruited. Oh, you farmed. Oh, you this, oh, you that.

People buy into these allegations I make against Legacy because the grains of truth to them are so huge, and many of them have been on the receiving end of it as well.

 Zond not his first time as troll. he has played it before. went magic 6 first last time if i remember correctly..

I'm still slightly irritated that Binh brought so many people with him (kingdomates and none kingdomates alike) into Nirvana for this new era. He was supposed to be fighting all these new kingdoms, but then he had to lose activity and leave my kingdom and my allies to deal with them now.

Why can't you guys that are looking for an active, high-level fight just do your bloody fighting on Fantasia or Mantrax? Why come and disturb a lower world map that has no meaning? Seriously an annoyance.

Btw Binh, that city Binh Farming was super nice, thank you for building it for me. 

Instead you all pissed me off by moving east >_>

Poodles is here as Storm Cloaks

@Tuffy -- No, we were all hyped up to have a competitive era in a smaller-kd environment, and it seems to be shaping up that way.  No offense intended to all the high-quality, long-term players around here, but I personally haven't been playing long enough to really know who all of you are yet.  Fantasia was fun for me this first time, but we don't have the 12-15+ active players that appear necessary to be really competitive here.  We *do* have the 8+ active players needed to be competitive in a small-kd world.

Beo looked like a kingdom I once led together with Stormcrow, called Carnage.

Carnage was a big kingdom, and we almost always had an NAP with a kingdom, or even 2. The world was bigger, but still if Carnage was to play right now as a kingdom they would be just like Beo, Too big and NAP just to be safe instead of taking on all they can handle. Legacy back in the day was the kingdom to beat, I still feel LGC is the kingdom to beat as there are alliances formed just to beat Legacy. The spawning locations cause one kingdom to OOP war with another kingdom. Even with a ´no NAP´ policy on the entire map it weakens the kingdom that comes out as a winner in the OOP war as the game is currently lacking something to make spoils of war be more rewarding than farming up.

If you take a lot of cities, they give you low productivity, you take cities that have their max size changed and won´t get a bonus or get an armory town. All this makes it worth less than farming up just 1 90k city. Only when you find an inactive player you gain resources worth the time of ´not farming´. 

Now I haven´t played for a while on Fantasia, but I know Beo for atleast 2 era´s now. and Beo isn´t around now but most of the players are still playing together and following the same playstyle. on Zetamania 1 or 2 era´s ago Beothuk didn´t do anything at all.. the entire era, just farming and farming up behind the blocker of their NAP partner. But then they trained really big armies and joined their NAP partner who was struggeling to deal with the enemy themselves. So they got their farmed up armies to do the job and just wipe out the enemy.

The same thing happened last era on Fantasia where Misfits fought LGC in the start. LGC only just defeated Misfits as the farmed up armies from Beo came marching to their lands. Sure it was a ´no NAP´ era.. but I´m pretty sure the ´excuses´, as you call them. Are valid. If LGC would fight Beo in an OOP war and win, or lose.. that would be a fair fight. Even though Beo had a lot of members. It´s just one guy doing the kingdoms PR and trying to make LGC look bad. Legacy is a great kingdom, and it has always been a great kingdom. It had it´s era´s of being supreme. But there are also era´s where you can´t win. I have to admit that spawn locations play a bigger role in the current era´s then it did in the old days. There wouldn´t be a shared core with people being so close to eachother. And if there was there would always be a blocker inbetween that would allow you to protect ´your kingdoms ground´

My post got long, people probably won´t read it now. Apart from TBL who will check if he can find a point in my posts that makes LGC look bad. ´Don´t feed the troll´ they say.. but it´s not meant to feed TBL, it´s just to give people my honest opinion about this entire bad image of LGC being spread.

Note: I haven´t played for Legacy before this era.. I have actually mostly been fighting LGC in my vu career. Those were the best era's and trashtalk is inevitable. But new players shouldn't think LGC is the kingdom that makes up excuses when it loses. Maybe it's just cause there is this 1 guy in the forum ruining the possibility for mutual respect. *looks at TBL*

"Btw Binh, that city Binh Farming was super nice, thank you for building it for me. "

Consider it a temporary loan.... I will be wanting it back in the future ;)

BEGIN TL / DR. PLEASE F.O. FROM HERE IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED.

Venomz,

My beloved friend, Stormy, used to speak very highly of you. Perhaps he was mistaken, or perhaps you have changed. Knowing Stormy, its definitely you who have changed.

You exhibit the same biased selection of facts and regurgitate the same nonsensical interpretation of those facts as many of your Legacy mates. Actually, you should be forgiven, since, at the very base, you are only ignorant, and you are speaking out of your ass from that ignorance. Afterall, you only played 2 eras, and you are speaking like you played all 4 eras when Beothuk was around.

I'm going to smack you down one by one on your key points. Its up to you if you want to read what I have to say, but you will probably stick your head in the sand like most of your other Legacy mates anyway.

1) Beo plays like Carnage wherein both were kingdoms that were too big and had at least one NAP to be safe instead of taking on all comers.

i) Beothuk, at its peak, had 28 members. Beothuk always had one or two members every era who end up not dropping or who finally are unable to commit for the full era. We end up kicking these members late, but the damage is done, they are added to the member count to be used as a flaming weapon against us.

ii) Legacy, at its peak, had 26 active members. Beothuk, even accounting for the inactives, had only 7% more members then Legacy at its peak. Naturally, you, Venomz, did not account for this spread. To you, Beothuk was a "large" kingdom.

iii) I do not deny that Beothuk had at least one NAP for its first 3 eras. I do not deny Legacy had no NAPs in Beothuk's second era. I do, however, want to point out that Legacy had 4 de facto NAPs in Beothuk's first era, and one NAP in Beothuk's third era.

iv) So since you were comparing Beothuk / Carnage to Legacy, let's conclude this comparison - Legacy, more often then not, was too big and had at least one NAP. It did not dare to take on all comers.

v) For all the talk of Legacy being a no NAPper and a kingdom that takes on all comers, it had a NAP this era as well. It played safe.

2) Legacy is the kingdom to beat and alliances are formed to beat Legacy.

i) Legacy is the kingdom to beat solely because of one person. Binh. Take an ACTIVE Binh out of the equation, and Legacy becomes another normal big kingdom.

ii) Beothuk played to kill the entire map, not just Legacy. In Beothuk's first era, Beothuk warred MAD, Relentless and BF starting from OOP while Immortals and Legacy faced each other one on one. Eventually, Beothuk stepped in mid-era to aid Immortals as well, when Legacy had them on the backpedal. Beothuk diverted 3 critical attackers and a full mage to fight Legacy, thereby simultaneously engaging, in full warfare, every opposition kingdom on the map.

iii) In Beothuk's third era, Beothuk engaged Legacy and Relentless in a full head on battle while Beothuk's ally, Immortals, and 4 Beothuk players, finished MAD off. Beothuk held off these 2 kingdoms (Relentless and Legacy) for almost 2 full weeks on its own. Legacy was never able to push Beothuk away from its OOP boundaries.

3) Beothuk's strategy / playstyle, on all worlds it plays, is to farm.

i) Beothuk fought MAD OOP in its first era. Beothuk fought Legacy, Relentless and MAD OOP in its 3rd era. Beothuk fought a FULLY ACTIVE Binh OOP in its fourth era.

ii) I personally fought as OOP mage in both the first and third eras. I personally dropped and armoury / MC in the Legacy / Relentless core in Beothuk's third era during OOP.

iii) Beothuk has always had the organizational strategy wherein a certain number of players will play pure OOP races, a certain number of players will play all era races, and a certain number of players will play late era races.

iv) Your insinuation that all Beothuk does is farm on all worlds it plays is totally devoid of factual basis and is a gross misrepresentation of history.

v) More importantly, you are playing Nirvana now. 7 out of 10 of Valar are former Beothuk. 4 out of 10 played in Beothuk's first era, 7 out of 10 played in Beothuk's third era. Does Valar look like a farming kingdom to you? Does Valar look like a kingdom that cannot fight OOP to you? Valar is currently beating the shit out of Zerg. It also goes to show that Beothuk would beat the shit out of a Binh-less Legacy in any OOP fight one on one.

4) Beothuk's farmed up armies came to fight only after Legacy had exhausted itself fighting OOP last era.

i) Another gross misrepresentation of the situation. You insinuate that Beothuk were purposely farming at the beginning of the era and were avoiding OOP battles.

ii) You selectively avoided putting out the fact that Beothuk had NO OTHER OOP kingdom nearby it to fight an OOP war. Even when Beothuk was in full OOP war mode and had defeated your strongest player when he core-dropped us with an armoury.

iii) You selectively avoided putting out the fact that it was a 20 tick march BY SCOUT to the nearest major enemy kingdom from the Beothuk core. You selectively avoided putting out the fact that Beothuk destroyed every minor enemy kingdom and individual player next to its borders before moving for the further-located kingdoms. You selectively avoided putting out the fact that Beothuk halflings have been fighting Misfits rebuilders since the 4th to 5th day of OOP.

5) Legacy isn't a kingdom that makes up excuses when it loses.

i) You obviously did not play or forgot the critical facts of Beothuk's first era and Beothuk's third era.

ii) I can accept that Beothuk had more NAPs then necessary in its second era. However, I did not play in Beothuk's second era.

iii) Whenever I play in Beothuk, I always ensure that the kingdom fights OOP, the kingdom fights the next strongest kingdom of the map soonest it can, the kingdom fights enemies totaling more power then itself and its ally combined, and that Beothuk is limited to a maximum of 1 major NAP, and any other NAPs will be for solo players or kingdoms of less then three people.

iv) However, all these ground facts were ignored by Legacy. If you were really aware of the chain of events, which you aren't or which you chose to forget or ignore, Legacy accused Beothuk of mass-recruiting and mass-NAPping for Beothuk's first win, and then came up with the new accusation that Beothuk NAPped the only other active kingdom on the map to get its third win.

v) Two clearcut Beothuk victories where it fulfilled all my conditions, but Legacy chose to portray those victories as brought about by unfair Beothuk practices.

6) TBL is ruining the possibility for mutual respect.

i) I do what I do because Legacy itself ruined the possibility for mutual respect long long ago with me. Legacy actually ruined the possibility for mutual respect with MANY Beothuk members when it questioned (and the way it questioned) Beothuk's victories in Beothuk's first, third and fourth eras.

ii) I do what I do because Legacy and many of the current Legacy players have had a long long history of questioning the wins of my kingdoms and other kingdoms, and especially when events did not go their way.

iii) As mentioned, I have played 5 eras out of the previous 8 eras on Fantasia and my kingdom has won all 5. If you go back to the threads where All You Can Eat Buffet and Beothuk won those eras, you will always find Legacy questioning my kingdom's wins and giving excuses as to why we won and why they lost.

iv) As mentioned, the only Legacian who sincerely and legitimately congratulated us and accepted our victories as fair was Binh. He is one of the very very few Legacians that has my (and Beothuk's) respect.

7) Miscellaneous point - Legacy has always used double standards in the way it behaves and the way it criticises other kingdoms.

i) Legacy has often NAPped at least one kingdom over the eras. In the eras where it has no NAPs, it was because it either saw the enemy kingdoms as easy prey to feed up upon, or because no kingdoms wanted to NAP with it.

ii) Legacy has often taken advantage of landing opportunities presented to it and farmed hard and long while other major kingdoms were battling each other. It then claims its victories were legitimate.

iii) There have been eras where Legacy touched between 28 and 30 members (the earlier eras). Legacy wasn't complaining about mass-recruiting back then.

iv) Legacy is an elitist kingdom. It is the type of kingdom where many of VU's best players (not all) join in order to make a superkingdom that can dominate most normal kingdoms. It is a kingdom that has a manifest destiny type expectation in its DNA - that it expects to win the map every single era. It has an exceptionalism trait in it that it expects that no other kingdoms are better or could be better then it at any stage of the game.

v) Finally, it has a sense of ability wherein Legacians always believe that.... because they have Binh playing with them, even if they can be beaten at all other stages of the game, such victories are never fair and just because they can never be beaten at OOP. This arrogance has been cemented in them winning twice against Misfits. And Venomz uses this arrogance to smear Beothuk by insinuating that Beothuk could never beat Legacy in an OOP fight, forgetting that Beothuk fought and easily held off the combined might of Legacy and Relentless OOP in its 3rd era.

8) Miscellaneous point - Legacy is superior to Beothuk in OOP fighting.

Venomz insinuates that Beothuk is no match for Legacy in OOP fighting. Venomz forgets that the best 20 players of Beothuk are easily more then a match for Legacy at any stage of the game.

Here is a list of some of Beothuk's past players:

1) Jennaside
2) Kool / Mike
3) Crissxcross
4) Augh / Messiah
5) Jesus Left Toe
6) Kobuskan
7) TheBornLoser
8) Jasper / Konspyre
9) Dennis / Gallyon
10) Ice
11) Qassim
12) Dalak
13) Stormcrow
14) Aussie / Dan
15) Brannigans Law
16) Braveheart
17) Davey
18) Pope John Paul
19) Ademo
20) Zerocool
21) Ohm
22) Thomaas
23) Heroix
24) Tyler
25) Palpatine

You look at the list and you tell me seriously.... if I pick any 20 players from here.... will Beothuk really be inferior to Legacy in OOP fighting? Really?

That was one long post (and read lol) XD

Sorry, I had to put down a fair amount of details and facts. That's the only way to combat sweeping baseless assumptions and statements made by Venomz, and to ensure that the rest of the people know that Beothuk won its eras (at least 3 of them :P) genuinely and not as per the excuses given by Legacy.

Unfortunately, this is an internet game, so most people (including myself sometimes) tend to get away with just making shallow, believable arguments that most people would bite on easily. In the outside world, more often then not, if one is dealing with a real professional, and doesn't present the true facts and story as it is, that person is going to get a slapdown so painful, he wouldn't dare show his face out of doors for a long long time.

You must not live in america.... in america we have politics and People lie back and forth without any proof and half the county believes them.... Sarah palin... eww 

You exhibit the same biased selection of facts and regurgitate the same nonsensical interpretation of those facts as many of your Legacy mates. Actually, you should be forgiven, since, at the very base, you are only ignorant, and you are speaking out of your ass from that ignorance. Afterall, you only played 2 eras, and you are speaking like you played all 4 eras when Beothuk was around.

One word, dumbdumb 2

 With the list TBL posted of former Beo players. i think he means that they could match LGC as a kd fighting oop if both were at full strength. (venoms mentioned that they LGC would beat Beo in an oop war). Both kds look for and train potential recruits every era, and every era in fant both teams usually have new peeps in them.  Lets face it when you play with a good team, your bound to learn the best strategies etc to suceed in the game.

 

 

Because history affects current events and the future :) If you know a lot of rl history you would know that.

Well its kind of a fact :P