I was too late to edit it, but not only has Malimor turned traitor and left them, Mr. Stu has aswell. He also was accepted into the ranks of The Federation.

Can you really justify such actions?

Oh and P.S why didnt you restart when you had the chance so you could go help your new kd setup in Nirvana. Seems utterly dumb to make new cities for us to take bellow Breathen. 

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06:26:29 Jan 8th 10 You cant help just nosing in everywhere can you Mithras ? Breathen are falling appart and acting like every other kd falling appart. For some reason they kicked out Stu. Federation took him in when he asked. You have absolutely no clue what goes on in the fighting area as your entire kd is hiding bellow waiting for thier turn to be killed.

Stu was loyal to breathen even after getting kicked out. He refused to open gates to let us in and he was training in hes blocker to not just give hes old kd away after getting kicked out.

We talked to both him and Uther last night. Both Federation and Stu handled the entire situation realy professional. And you as an unknowing outsider is just trying to cast mud becuase you know you are going to die next and like to talk crap.

Malimar is still not handled. But im sure something similar happened. We had dealings with Malimar last era when he was in mad. I am sure there is a reasonable explanation why he changed tag as well.

I wanna cast a spell... I CAST MUD!?

And yes, as far as Malimor goes, He is an RL friend of Stu and defended him when BF started flaming him and etc. so naturally Malimor got pulled into the flame war. Also, directed at Mithras, Haven't you ever played Civilization? It is culturally acceptable to accept members from other civilizations because you are so much better than them. ^_^ "The vast culture of your nation has convinced Malimor and Stu to join you" =)))

Trai·tor ˈtrā-tər noun
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treason

Hear ye! hear ye! 

The kingdom of Brethren Forever, being in the midst of honorable war with HIV and attacked by Federation, charge two former players with treason against the Crown.  Let the worlds and kingdoms of VU know these two players by their actions.  Let the truth be known.  And, vengeance be Brethren.

• Players, Malimor and Stu, join the kingdom at the start of the era.  Malimor joins as Vice and Kingdom Diplomat.  Stu, who joined as Malimor’s RL friend, agrees to hand over all his cities if ‘things don’t work out’.
  
• Stu threatens to leave if we lose the core and creates a scout “HIVwelcomehere” next to a failed blocker.
  
• Malimor admits he is in private talks with FED about joining.
  
• HIV breaks into our outer core; Malimor’s armies are not attacking.
  
• Stu asks to leave in the kingdom.  He says FED agreed to not attack him, but HIV was not willing to talk to traitors.  He talks of going Native and asks to keep a Brethren blocker city although he will not attack FED.
  
• We agree to allow him 15 tics to train while we prep on his city.  He keeps his troops and abandons the blocker. 
  
• Queen Ays kicks him from the kd before the tic for the prep time to begin.
  
•  Stu immediately joins FED.
  
• King Dragon labels him a traitor.
  
• Malimor comes to leadership upset that his friend was kicked and is a traitor.
  
• Within hours, Malimor joins FED.
• Malimor attacks Brethren WH cities for max gains.

Leaving the kingdom in the midst of war is never good.  Requesting to leave a kingdom in war, maybe unavoidable.  Being unhappy about a “kick” you basically requested??   That is plain silly.  Conspiring and and then joining the enemy while at war is by definition treason.   We are all judged by our actions on the field of battle. Their actions speak for themselves.

By the very definition of treason, Malimor and Stu are traitors.


On behalf of all Brethen Forever,
Queen Ays of Reason

I know they left Brethren Forever, but if you expected them to stay in your kingdom after such poor conduct from your own leaders, you deserve a slap on the face. I didn't see this happen, and to be honest.. I believe them more than you or your so called leader of Brethren. Therefore, I must declare the following;

coward [ˈkaʊəd]n
1. a person who shrinks from or avoids danger, pain, or difficulty

I give such a title to 'Khain' A.K.A. 'King Dragon' for not only what happened before, but what I keep seeing from him. He speaks of 'honour' when all he does is act in ways that will only benefit him, no matter how many of his 'allies' get screwed over for the consequences. If you can't agree with this, it's either because you haven't seen this side of him, or just won't benefit from doing so.

Also, Stu could have easily let HIV pass by his blocker and bring your end a lot closer.. did he do so? Answer this yourself. Not only did he do this, but was the only one who put up a fight while the rest of you ran away and tried to stop us at your 'blockers'.

So next time you try to accuse people of treason or dishonor, take a look at your leader and ask yourself, are you accusing the right people?

On behalf of myself,
-Kaze

And for all you ppl with short term memory. Breathen turned on Kaze last era and started taking hes city when it was looking realy tastefull. I know, becuase i was right next to the insident, and saw it with my own eyes.

That is also why i will never believe a single word any of the Breathen ppl speak.

"And yes, as far as Malimor goes, He is an RL friend of Stu and defended him when BF started flaming him and etc. so naturally Malimor got pulled into the flame war. Also, directed at Mithras, Haven't you ever played Civilization? It is culturally acceptable to accept members from other civilizations because you are so much better than them. ^_^ "The vast culture of your nation has convinced Malimor and Stu to join you" =)))"

Sick post, Sable.... lol

23:07:03 Scoute lost a battle against Skittyscat II from Queen Ays of Reason. The army retreated to Somewhere. We lost 0 Swordsmen, 0 Archers, 0 Knights, 0 Magicians and 0 Catapults and 0 peasants in the battle and 0 of our soldiers got injured.

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Such hostility lol

^^^

That scout thing is funny

Also i would have said something similar to everything that was said but they all pretty much did it for me. Its odd how they all know what im thinking, rofl.

Sable is correct that if kingdoms would show more respect and gratitude towards their member then their kingdoms would last longer and their members would be more loyal through just about anything. Acting like a high and mighty king who demands things from everyone is not a good way to run things. The Federation has everyone make policy suggestions in the Manifesto and the ones that the most of us take liking to is put in and adjusted to fit the kd as a whole.

I doubt that any of my kd members are unhappy (well i am)

i need a burrito! (sorry my fatty ADD kicked in)
If you treat everyone as an equal and rule through management as an overseer then you're practically living Hakuna Matata.

Step 1:

• Establish a kingdom and Ground Rules
• Ground rules would be expected behavior from kingdom members

• As a leader of a kingdom do not promise things that you cannot achieve.
• I promise equality because that is what i give, and the only thing i do not promise to any of my members is false claim to anything. I promise them a good time and that is what they get.

• Treat you ranks like a family.
• Without proximity between you and your "Brethren" you will surely perish. 

• Come together for a common cause.

• Execute the cause swiftly, then repeat the cycle starting back at new ground rules (if any are needed or found).

wow

the pope is overrated 

Actually I find it strange that people try to talk this good ?

Nomather what I wonder what you guys would have done if this happend to your kingdom ? HIV tell me what would you guys do if suddenly 2 a 3 members of yours joined us during the war ? I doubt you guys would say ah nice cool. Counts for Federation too.

I kinda find it low that you change ships during halfway the era or lets say during a war. This guys has no loyalty towards there kd nomather what.
Look you can be against your current leaders or you wont have a good time during the era. Might be true but you've joined them and together you've gone into this war. If you suddenly jump ships your just selfish and think about your own survival.

I bet STU and Maltimor or whateva will get to live after breshen gets killed. STU and Maltimor should either staid untagged or joined a neutral kingdom instead of doing this.

I think this is planned for a while ( cause I doubt federation just takes in every app thats being sended especially from the enemy kd ( I wouldnt and I bet most other big kd's wouldn't ) cause it happend pretty quick after he was out the kd.

well stu and maltimor prolly would have ruined there names cause of this.
Look im not picking sides. Im just judging the fact that people think what they did is good. Not sure why maybe cause brethen is a small kd.
But like I said before what would you say if the same happens to your kd?

Goodday

and spoils

Ofcourse you can stay the same as little children being raped :)

you can just say its never gonna change so we better comdemn with it.
stop going after them as it doesnt work.

Ofcourse your giving nice logics :)
I know this isnt the same and you can't compare it as that both are different :P

but you still trying to cover this by trying to talk it right :)
says enough about what you think about loyalty and honor doesnt it :)

There's a difference between stu and malimor leaving their kingdom and if someone from HIV left. Brethren was mistreating them as outcasts. If I was treated like that in a kingdom i would want to get back at them too. And you can't do that alone. And it would be hard to convince another random kingdom to do it. I happen to know that HIV runs a very good and honorable kingdom and so if someone jumped ship there then there is a problem with the person rather than the figureheads. When Caeser was in power and ruling poorly, did people just sit by and say "Oh you know, we'llw ait until next era."? No they did something about. They got off their asses and killed him dead. Just saying.

Well, Stu and Malimor had their honor balanced by originally not fighting Brethren. They were content to sit there and help us with the war in the south with Pokemon. However members from brethren attacked them and so they retaliated. And Brethren was ruining Stu's and Malimor's VU life and so yeah in a way they were. ^_^

No game is fun when your leadership fails you. And that's what games are about right? Fun? Because that's why I though games were invented. For entertainment, right? If you're not having fun in a game something's wrong. Imho

It's a trend to support your allies on the boards these days, and it's corruption in its clearest form.To clarify: No, HIV do not condone jumping ship while fighting still occur. But it's not in our place to interfere further into the federations internal politic.

For the record. Uther runs a trustworthy kingdom in my opinion, regardless of these incidents. But we leave the justification of his actions to himself and his kingdom.

I can only say on a personal note that this is unfortunate. Especially seeing as brethren had their odds against them when this occured. And that the outcome would remain the same regardless. The direct effect of the kingdom jumpers is the loss of spoils and the fun of warfare for us. But it is not in our place to further interfere in Federation business.

K.

So much anger and hate. Dude really? Pope John Wayne said its okay. I totally believe the pope so lets just move on. Keep fighting. We know BF is trying to survive so lets see how long that lasts.

The world's not flat!? Blasphemy. Next you're going to tell me that we live in a heliocentric universe.

The Federation


Name: The Federation
Members: 16
Created: 12/25/2009 5:05:18 AM
Leader: Lord Uther Nonsense

Information

A tight order of War Chiefs and a fierce following is what makes our federation and to all lengths the Royal Guard will vow to protect those who form together within our ranks. With hope we carry on and through hope we find our strength and salvation. It is this salvation that binds us and it is these binds that eradicate our foes. The question to ask oneself is not of what you gain but to what end you wish to follow; for if you are not in our ranks there are only three moves. Run, hide, or die.

“I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.”

Take my warnings to heart and join us. Send messenger with this information to join The Federation.

1) Past names and eras of experience
2) Past kingdoms and rulers of reference
3) Are you best on offense or defense?
4) Any other information that you may find useful to us.
5) Also in the past have you ever betrayed a kingdom of yours to join the enemy, if so then have you justified your actions in your own reality?


This is the Federation, TRAITORS WELCOME ^_^
Leaders

Lord Uther Nonsense
Sir Burningliason
Mr. Wolfgore Backstabber
Mr. Sable The Back Blade



^_^

My sin was watching the censored part of North American Pokemon and not the real version of Pokemon, for that's my only sin.

What i notice here is that the entire exersize going on is that everyone are trying to turn everyones view in their favour against their enemies. It is in particulraily interesting watching Fordiucus take a sudden interest in the matter going on. Hes statements obviously only serves himself.

The funny thing is that while Fordius only serves hes own interests, and even goes as far as napping all of hes home world so he can go attack Hiv, and then further more tries to enter our world thread and come here as the big man who knows it all. Hiv is still finnishing off our oop wars, no naps for us, while off tanking fordius and hes kd on the side.

Fordius? Whos he? Isn't he that noob who tried to solo carnage and got his butt kicked? :P

Has no one noticed this?? (P.S. I MADE IT BETTER) ^_^

The Federation

Name: The Federation
Members: 16
Created: 12/25/2009 5:05:18 AM
Leader: Lord Uther Nonsense

Information

A tight order of War Chiefs and a fierce following is what makes our federation and to all lengths the Royal Guard will vow to protect those who form together within our ranks. With hope we carry on and through hope we find our strength and salvation. It is this salvation that binds us and it is these binds that eradicate our foes. The question to ask oneself is not of what you gain but to what end you wish to follow; for if you are not in our ranks there are only three moves. Run, hide, or betray.

“I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.”

Take my warnings to heart and join us, traitors. Send messenger with this information to join The Federation.

1) Past names you have used when betraying.
2) Past kingdoms you have betrayed
3) Are you best betray with or without cause?
4) Do you betray offensively or defensively?
5) Have you justified your betrayal in your own reality? If so we'll believe you. And no one else.


This is the Federation, TRAITORS WELCOME ^_^

Leaders

• Lord Uther Nonsense
• Sir Burningliason
• Mr. Weaselgore Skullsplitter
• Mr. Sable The Back Blade