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I back Anon on this one, its one hell of an ugly flag.

I probably suggest when this round is over, that a "imaginary" divider line to be placed either vertically or horizontally throughout the map until the protection of the initial 45 to 60 hours has ended which in of protection. Allows a more anticipated form of action from one side vs another.

Greatwalls and merges would be cool too with the number of people in each kingdom on this map.

Dakarta has a point.  And I agree with Chaotic.

Rotating Map like the upper worlds

This is good discussion.

The map should definitely rotate, some maps like Desert would be really fun on GvE because you could just set both kingdoms to spawn in opposite mountain bowls and it solves the issue of map rotations, landing zones, and greatwalls. Walls are less meaningful on Desert than they are on maps designed for greatwalls like manxmap, it makes sense for the kingdoms to start in opposite corners, and the outside of the bowls and 2 empty mountain bowls makes for an interesting dynamic.

Merges without Greatwalls on GvE is an interesting idea too because it allows you to chose who you work with more closely and 10 guys merging into someone is almost like choosing a king or leader in the battlefield, but it's something most people would have to want to see changed and it isn't as cut and dry as 'Some maps are better for GvE than others'.

i agree that oop wars are a part of the game and a big part of the strategy in managing a kd is allowing for the potential for oop war.
we shouldnt have fixed spawns jsut cos this era we lost an oop war. we jsut didnt do a very good job of defending ourselves.

i think the real question is - should we have fixed playerbases or should we reshuffle the teams after each era? if we dont reshuffle it allows the loser a chance to a rematch. but if we do reshuffle it keeps the game fresh. I suggest reshuffle teams every 3 eras so we have a 'best out of three' situation.

Sorry for the double post, but this needs to be said:

I'm not trying to insult Zeta with this because I understand that he continues to host the servers out of passion and VU isn't his only job or obligation, but we know the admin isn't very active so we need to decide upon a system that can be automated and works in his absence.

Imagine how little fun it would be if we had 2 rounds in a row where random teams and random spawns produced eras that were clearly going to be one-sided and not fair, that's all it would take to kill all community interest in something that could potentially build interest in the game for a lot of players new and old alike.

It's good that the first round has not been unenjoyable thus far or we would have already failed. The system we have now is working okay, but it could be better and if nothing changes at all then this system will not continue to work if we get unlucky.

Every skilled VU player knows that if you just keep rolling the dice you eventually get a bad roll, so you have to hedge your odds.

I think great walls yes

I think that Moonshine is exactly on point here: GvE is a cool concept, but at the end of the day it's also as noob friendly as VU could possibly get and VU is NOT a noob friendly game. I've seen 5 new players at least on GvE in Evil alone, that's a lot when you consider how VU's population has been for a while.

GvE is a 'special mechanics' world, we shouldn't dumb down something so potentially great for noobs and vets alike with things like the 50% rule because we as a community know that the 50% rule is not incredibly effective for helping new players and it isn't fun.

If we as a community ever wanted to make a world where the newer plays could play with and against vets, and the vets could play with and against other vets and noobs, now is the time. Zeta has given us a world where we can chose special mechanics that we want, so let's decide on some. New players coming into this game have it way worse off than the vets, but we can make GvE a world where they interact with and learn from them rather than getting fed off of by them.

How about this: Rather than a dividing line that Zeta might not be able to or care to implement, why don't we mix GvE, a concept that people seem to be enjoying, with a concept that people loved in the past: Merged worlds?

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Instead of a 5000x5000 unit map, why not just stitch together nine 2000x2000 unit maps? The world ends up only slighly larger, you can stick the kingdoms on opposite ends, you can make the middle of the map into whatever awesome idea the community wants to see that would draw the warfare towards the cener(Bonus resources? Big Dragon somewhere? It just has to be something that Zeta can implement and the community actually likes).

Give the players who would normally qualify to play on the 50% worlds the ABILITY (dont force it) to land in a corner world if they chose to do so sort of how the old merged world let the noobs start in late-opening 50% worlds in the corners and let the each side have up to two 'guides' that spawn with the noobs. Yes, this gives the new players an 'advantage' over the rest of the community because they get to be in the corners of the map on a world that doesnt immediately open up, but they NEED that advantage to compete with the older players.

Merged maps are also something that we know Zeta can do because just like GvE he know he's been able to implement it in the past, and merged worlds were so well received by the community that this would also have potential to bring back older players who quit during the games sharp decline after it peaking in population.

So you are suggesting one big world? like we used to have before the realms merged together? 

I did not understand what you want the 'guides' to do. Perhaps you could better explain what is you want them to accomplish spawning on each corner with new players.

please don't kick all kingdomless from the map. I have not yet decided if i should join Good or Evil yet.

For the record I haven't attacked single tagless player nor plan to do so, Fromps was free game because he was part of a kingdom, you would expect him having some kind of back up and us not letting him just sit there farming.

I don't think anyone has done anything wrong, people are just playing the game and there are things about the game right now that make it so stuff happens that isn't good for the game itself.

Yishrahel may be new to the game and community but he is right, the solutions to some of these problems are pretty simple. Make all new players automatically join one of the kingdoms. Easy. Problem solved. That can't even be remotely difficult or time consuming to implement but we can't do it ourselves, so we are going to tell Zeta do it just before the end of the round.

I like Yisrahel's idea of an automated system because it means Zeta has to do the least work possible and there is already an autojoin mechanic so we know that this can probably be implemented. It's necessary, straightforward, and improves our game.

The following part of Yisrahel's suggestion is also a good idea, but it's not something we should involve Zeta with or automate. It would be cool if kingdoms could set a message that shows when you autojoin, I agree, but it's too much. We don't even know if Zeta can put stuff like that in and we know damn well that he wont be proactive enough to do it and might not do it well, and it's something we should be doing ourselves anyways.

When a new player joins a kingdom, we as a community should welcome them. We should involve them in the leadership if they show the desire and drive to do it. We should introduce them to our kingdom forums and invite them to our skypes.


Our community culture is so fucked right now in VU and it has been for years.The community is complainy, lazy, stagnant, and aging. That's why the game was declining for so long. The admin isn't doing anything and neither is the community, but if the community does stuff than the admin will to as is evident by the fact that I made a fucking thread suggesting a GvE world and Zeta put it in, even if it took a while and had some issues that we can solve.


The first round is going to be turbulent, but I think people in Evil are still enjoying it and I have no idea what morale and enjoyment levels in Good are like but the players are fighting hard despite being clearly at a disadvantage.

GvE is a different ballgame, it's the most noob-friendly VU possible, and it's still really fun for older players in a way that is fresh and cool. We can help improve the community with this and bring new life to the game, but we have to actually work hard and work smart in order to do it.

3. The moment it was clear that Evil looked to be ahead people just joined Evil because they could.


Then you have all of these other issues as well. Players like 'Fromps' 'Ogre' 'Yisrahel' 'Wonderful' and 'Lampercut' get utterly fucked because they are all caught on the outskirts away from the kingdom BECAUSE they are new players and the system is a bit fucked right now. Players like Legendary and Marquess Hartmut run some of them down, they die, and some quit the game.

Yeah when it was suggested I wouldnt know how the maps would cross over unless you made a neutral free roaming zone where you can just move along the edge of the map which I dont like the idea of.

Should I join good :p

I like that clear and concise way of sharing your opinions so I'm going to copy it. Everyone has a different opinion and this lets us know how people feel about stuff without the need to argue or debate

My opinions:

- No to merges
- No to wallls
- Linked maps on the 3rd round
- Random spawn points
- Teams based on A-B-C ranking system or some other balanced semi-random shuffle

My Opinion:

-No to divider line during protection

But how is it going to work if you place an active orc in a newbie area. It's all reason for a disastrous outcome. You know it is going to be abused because easy targets are easy targets. If you cannot disallow or change that you know that it's going to be, then why make changes to benefit new players. Any other world it is fairly acceptable, but it cannot change because it is here. I think it is a sad excuse you cannot make an exception for one world, easily shutting it down because it is a terrible idea. But maybe it is a good idea because it does prevent early exits and allows people to get their bearings.  

Mmm I like your idea about XOX rather than a completely square map this would work way better with GvE, but there won't be a place to run or hide thats for sure.