~Fantasia Wars Era of Messiah~

~Fantasia Wars Era of Messiah~

11:38:42 Feb 18th 09 - Mr. Ignis:

18:24:35 Feb 18th 09 - Sir Fords Boner:

Ez is not a hermaphrodite. Hes just a bum boy, must have taken a leaf out of your book eh slade? Mmmkay?

18:40:45 Feb 18th 09 - General Ezatious:

ehmmm

18:48:51 Feb 18th 09 - Mr. Efrandor:

"which is only use to keep dirt of your ball sack"

A very honourable job.

11:37:32 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

Okay, I've had enough of this.

Heaven, is this the way you play your game? Me and Argyle had agreed for a CF with 72h breaking time.

Now recently, we have attacked BoW and when I logged on after a good night of sleep, I receive this message :

Archangel Argyle [H] (2/24/2009 5:43:06 PM)

I hereby cancel our cf.

best wishes.

/Argyle of Heaven 17.43 (gmt+1)

when I check the map, I see that Heaven has already attacked us, and that they have not sticked to their 72H breaking time. After sending a PM to argyle, I find this answer :

You (2/25/2009 8:47:14 AM)

Wildspy has already taken a city of us. (city of love) I suggest action is made against this CF break, as it will only end in 2 and a half day.

We'll be taking it back.

Archangel Argyle [H] (2/25/2009 9:14:07 AM)

oh, I sent you a msg about it.

also in the terms I have for our cf, it's stated that I value my other relations more then this cf. thus when you attacked bow, you automaticly ended the cf.

You (2/25/2009 9:17:49 AM)

yes, and the CF has a 72h breaking time which you should respect.

I have received no response as of yet.

Is this the way you fight your wars Heaven?!

11:55:27 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Asriel:

Well what are all the CF terms?

11:59:29 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

72h breaking time and the normal no attacking, no magic.

ofcourse..

12:13:53 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Asriel:

Well if their is no term saying that if you attack a MAPPED kingdom that it is instantly broken then he is bad

12:16:42 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

ofcourse there is no term like that <.<

who the heck would include a term like that? :P

12:40:04 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

Archangel Argyle [H] (2/25/2009 12:29:39 PM)

I will follow the relations I value higher, which I said when we made the relation. It's really simlpe.

so either it is incompetence (because they did not inform their allies) or dishonor (because they're looking to fight us when we are unprepared because we had an official CF) that made H break their CF terms with us, anyways, I hope this shows that H cannot be trusted.

12:46:29 Feb 25th 09 - Necromancer Knighed:

well Emosgirl(Lewatha). Heaven and BoW have a MAP so once you attack one of them they will no doubt follow... weigh wants more important to them a CF where they will attack anyways when the times up or a MAP?

and btw coming from me who is a "Nap breaking traitor scum bucket eating SOB" actually i dont know how that helps with anything but in some insignificant way i helped someone.

13:10:48 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

than they shouldn't have signed a CF if they couldn't stick to the terms, Necromancer.

13:41:40 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Alfiheim:

you should not trust heaven trust me i know them

I was Ignis

13:52:42 Feb 25th 09 - Archangel Argyle:

When we made the cf, Im extremely sure I said that I have a map I value higher, and will follow above this cf. You knew this and tried to use it to your advantage.

pretty lame if you ask me, but as I can't be trusted I assume you should not have read this post.

14:17:09 Feb 25th 09 - Wolflord Karac:

Lets talk about classless, RET offers a CF, we ask for NAP, they say no.

So I say, alright, we will accept the CF but we would like longer than 72 tick notice, 96 or 120 with the spread worlds.

NO RESPONSE.

Very classy indeed RET, or more, Lewatha. Very classy. But what did I expect from ya? Little more than that.

14:22:56 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

we didn't agree to your CF terms, Wolflord. What is there unhonorable in not agreeing?

Argyle, please show me where you included the term that if we attack an ally of yours, the CF will be immediatly broken?

14:31:12 Feb 25th 09 - Wolflord Karac:

not agree, not respond.

isn't that the problem with Heaven, no response?

And as to not agreeing, we agreed, and asked if it could be extended. Still, agreed to your offer.

14:57:51 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Killstone:

no karac the problem with Heaven is they HAVE a CF with us. In none of the terms does it state that id we attack a MAPed kingdom of Heaven then they will attack us. Heaven is attacking us becasue we attacked BOW and Heaven did not wait the required 72 hours

15:00:47 Feb 25th 09 - Wolflord Karac:

and the problem is we accepted, and ya attacked.

when ya offer, and we accept, i didnt realize we had to wait for you to reaccept when YOU OFFERED.

15:10:27 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Jet:

Why cry in the forums about it?

15:11:50 Feb 25th 09 - Wolflord Karac:

im not crying. just stating the facts, as they are.

if they cannot uphold even the 72 tick notice they proposed, why should heaven?

15:23:37 Feb 25th 09 - Duke Drakos:

Thats ironic Lewatha, I also went to bed and woke up to attacks on my Kd, by a KD(RET) that we had been talking with, and that I know Karac had agreed to a cf with before I went to bed. Funny how the wheel turns isn't it?
Events>RET approached BoW, offers us a cf with 72 tick notice, we say we would rather have a NAP. To which RET says, no, just a cf.
As RET was NAP'd or cf with our MAP allies, we decided to accept. Karac says o.k., we will take the cf, but would rather have it be a longer period for the break.
That was RET's cue to respond and haggle over the terms, they did respond, by attacking.
BoW and Heaven, and all our MAP allies, have it in our agreement that any NAP's or cf's entered into after our MAP's were signed, will be canceled if any KD is attacked and requests help.You attacked us while talking, we invoked the MAP. Simple huh?
Heaven answered the bell right away as a good Honorable MAP ally should.
They granted you the same warning you gave BoW in the middle of peace talks. None...
So go lay down Lewatha, your and yours are far more in the the wrong than Heaven.
Heaven, thank you for answering the call. Thats why I MAP'd the Kd of Heaven from the start, I know they are honorable and would uphold the agreement no matter the enemy.
Nuff said, cya on the battlefield.

15:26:23 Feb 25th 09 - Duke Drakos:

Jet, the crying was started by Lewatha. Karac is just presenting the facts, if they are painful to you, then you may have a shread of honor, unlike RET's leaders.

15:40:01 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Sea:

Heaven could have been more honorable if they waited for the 72hrs WHILE answering BoW's call by other means. =)

15:53:12 Feb 25th 09 - Archangel Argyle:

The terms for the heaven cf was made in a chat, and all said in that chat was the terms. I wrote in a text document everything of value to the cf. One of the points was that heaven (my kd) stated that we had a map, which will be put above the cf, it's not hard to understand. Ret went against that map and we respond to it according to those terms. The 72 hours would only apply if we wanted to end it for any reason at all.

Come on lewatha, you know Im right, you just don't like that you got more enemies at the same time then you prepared for.

15:58:21 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

You (2/18/2009 7:56:04 PM)

My vices prefer not to have a NAP,

can't you agree on a CF like Heaven did?..

Wolflord Karac [BoW] (2/18/2009 8:43:28 PM)

no. you gave preds a nap. we settle for a nap, or nothing.

i am not a fan of the fact that you can break it when you see fit and are in position. i did not start this game yesterday.

You (2/18/2009 8:48:44 PM)

the same goes for your kingdom though.

Wolflord Karac [BoW] (2/18/2009 8:50:31 PM)

i understand that. but i still do not like the sense behind it. i will talk it over with my vices.

You (2/18/2009 8:52:46 PM)

and tbh. the chances that we finish both RVL+zetamania off and than still have time to deal with you guys are pretty small. Existent, but small

now where does it say we agree to anything Karac?

15:59:56 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

And Argyle, show me the conversation. You said you saved it, so show it.
I don't have it anymore, so I can't show it, but show me where you say that when we attack a MAP ally of yours, the breaking time is canceled and also show me where I accept such a stupid term.

please do.

16:07:04 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

oh wait, karac, I have found this in a PM.

Wolflord Karac [BoW] (2/19/2009 8:44:34 PM)

we'll agree to the CF if it can be 120 tick notice instead of 72 due to the multiple worlds.

that way if one does break, the other has ample time to get into position, and it will not be a slaughter.

did you ever see me accepting that offer?
please show me where I accept an offer of CF. We offered, you tried altering the offer, I ignored you.

I never accepted your altered version of the CF.

16:24:06 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Hemelduiker:

what's the point in asking for a 120 tick waiting-period if you can't even honour a 72-hour-agreement?

16:27:18 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

don't get things mixed up hemelduiker :P

H isn't BoW.

we never had anything with BoW, so they didn't need to stick with any relations, however, with H we had a 72h breaking time which they didn't respect.

16:34:43 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Alfiheim:

heaven are not loyal and will break any nap,cf they did the same thing with us XaugyTu and mystical

i am ignis

17:29:47 Feb 25th 09 - Archangel Argyle:

eh, we never made a relation with XaugyTu, they sent offer, withdrawed from our area (in good faith) and we attacked. Never came to a deal both sides where satisfied with.

I don't remember anything about mystical this era, so please enlighten me about what we did wrong there.

And I think heaven is pretty loyal sticking with our map, the first relation we made this era :P

17:40:20 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Alfiheim:

dont you remeber when we were fighting Fuzz and we were loosing and you guys joined them when we had naps

17:44:26 Feb 25th 09 - Archangel Argyle:

not really, but Im pretty sure if it was a nap, that the first term stated that it was ok to end it. As that is how I usually make naps, if I ever make them. Heaven is usually satisfied with allying one kingdom big time, and then just war everyone else. That is why heaven never reaches the top spots in the end rankings, because we don't choose our enemies wisely (i.e. get relation with every kd except the one you are fighting i.e. Retribution).

17:48:12 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Killstone:

"And I think heaven is pretty loyal sticking with our map, the first relation we made this era :P"

the key to loyalty is being loyal to everyone not the first kingdom that comes gets all your loyalty.

the bottom line is our CF terms were we had a CF no matter who we or you attacked, and to attack us you had to give 72 hour notification and AFTER the 72 hours you could attack.

You canceled the CF then attacked within those 72 hours. That goes against the terms of the CF resulting in unhonorable play.

You are claiming tho that the terms were different but Lew claims she never agreed to them. Show us the conversation between you and Lew that shows that she agreed to that MAP term.

17:48:29 Feb 25th 09 - Sir Gilth:

LoL, this will be great.. We're going the 'you NAP more than us' and 'We have more wars than you' way...

18:12:32 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

(i.e. get relation with every kd except the one you are fighting i.e. Retribution).

oh noes, we NAPed Predators and Rebirth and MAPed FATE, big whoop?

You MAPed Predators+LW+BoW so why the *beep* are you complaining about that?

18:14:51 Feb 25th 09 - Archangel Argyle:

So pretty much, lewatha claims one thing, I claim another. and have don't have the discussion saved, I just wrote down the important parts of it in my vu document. this is what I have writte down, read for yourself and stand amazed.

"cf with ret, lower then our map, 72 hours end for other reason, contact: [lewathas msn adress]"
(I blanked out her adress, as I assume it might be of some privacy)

And to follow up the request by Gilth.

We have way more wars then you have, you just make lots of relations and then you pick one target at the time!!!

18:17:49 Feb 25th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

oh my gawd, that proves everything. I guess I was wrong... O.o

(note the failed sarcasm)

18:45:15 Feb 25th 09 - Archangel Argyle:

I guess I win the discussion then, thanks for your competition.

18:47:44 Feb 25th 09 - Necromancer Knighed:

Emosgirl you deserve what ever is coming to you.

18:58:14 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Killstone:

ya ok big whoop its of lower importance than a MAP. honor both of them! you honor the MAP by canceling the CF but you honor the CF by waiting the designated 72 hours and NOT attacking immedietly

and you dont have a clue who we are or arent fighting so *beep*

20:09:12 Feb 25th 09 - Duke Drakos:

And your forgetting, RET approached BoW about peaceful relations. Not the other way around.
Karac finally said ok, we accept "your offer", but would like it more ticks than the 72 breaking period. The talks were still ongoing, you offered, he says acceptance, but asked for a tick change you either A) write back saying no, or B) come to terms on the ticks notice.
As you approached us, and we accepted, but wanted the terms amended, it was up to RET to either say no or yes. You did neither.
You just attacked.
With your actions, and my experience with Heaven this era, I know who I believe and trust in the above recollection's of the events and conversations.
That would be Heaven, our allies from day 1 oop, and our Allies until the end.

20:14:04 Feb 25th 09 - Wolflord Karac:

HELL YEAH

BoW <3 Heaven

21:09:12 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Magnesium:

*yawns

What heaven did was questionable at best.

But talk about it as much as you want. You clearly want war, so you'll get war.

21:39:39 Feb 25th 09 - Necromancer Knighed:

Blah Blah Blah your a dirty tramp

22:37:25 Feb 25th 09 - Mr. Magnesium:

yo mamma :D

02:39:50 Feb 26th 09 - Mr. Isaac:

why is rets complaining they are the biggest kingdom in fantasia and soon will get wiped up and sent to hell because Heaven is preoccupied with bigger things at hand.......LOL.. : }

02:42:08 Feb 26th 09 - Necromancer Knighed:

Ha Ha?

03:28:04 Feb 26th 09 - Duke Drakos:

Well, that killed the discussion. Nice job Isaac. :P

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