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Nirvana 33
19:52:08 Feb 20th 15 - Dark Spawn (Mr. Dominion):

I want to know whats up with Kingdom of Test, is there something we don't know? Why don't they have more power in terms of percentage? We have not fought them, possibly just a battle or two, any updates on their situation?





Kingdoms in Nirvana
The Collective7Ms. Seven of Nine100
Maleficent7Mr. Bartimaeus71
Measuring Stick5Mr. Valverde37
Scoreboard1Mr. Reallynotrandom23
Kingdom of Test3Mr. Testtttttttttttttt19
Dirty Birds3Mr. Jack The Righteous19
alcoholics3Mr. Insane Biatch14


19:55:09 Feb 20th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Hey Jack at least its always wars, interesting era so far. Its better than if you had to farm for a month with no fights :D We bring the wars to everyone! :D


20:14:54 Feb 20th 15 - Ms. Manymistakes:

Lots of burnt land and an open core and re-positioning is the reason for Test to be so low


20:42:40 Feb 20th 15 - Teirdel (Saint Tyrael The Fallen):


Ms. Manymistakes:

Lots of burnt land and an open core and re-positioning is the reason for Test to be so low


Well I spawned really late and got whomped. So I've been taken out early. Rebuilding though.


22:15:02 Feb 20th 15 - Alrisaia (Lady Alrisaia The Phantom):

Nice sneak attack there collective. That's a pain in my arse!


00:38:45 Feb 21st 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Sneak attack? You could see our armies at least a day ago, plus I sent my scouts like two days ago here to your area, you should have seen us coming from long distance :-)


Still nice counter attack :-)


01:14:42 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise:

Ms. Manymistakes (2/19/2015 12:55:12 AM)GOODBAD
I'm gonna move in, the collective is rearing down on me and I can make two 90k blockers in the trees right east of this blocker. Just lemme do that and hopefully I can defend against the collective plowing into this side of the map and simultaneously keep me in the game
You (2/19/2015 2:58:27 AM)
If your kingdom agrees to a full era NAP i see no problem with that. Otherwise im sorry to say we can't let you into our core.
Ms. Manymistakes (2/19/2015 3:52:48 AM)GOODBAD
im comin in homie u better chigady check urself before u rek urself moight

I might be annoying , but one thing im not is dying :P


02:06:43 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Millions:

Can't believe how entertaining nirvana is. 


All the cool folks are on, including the annoying ones too. 

That was a funny reply my manymistakes I have admit


06:54:56 Feb 21st 15 - Ms. Manymistakes:

Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise (2/19/2015 1:19:11 AM)GOODBAD
I will take that as a declaration of war.
Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise (2/19/2015 1:21:00 AM)GOODBAD
And i am informing you if you do enter we will simply allow the collective to follow you by opening any and all blockers we have to them. Any Army of kingdom of test within my borders is forfeit and i will look upon any city within my borders as forfeit.
Are you perhaps, high functioning?


12:14:39 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise:

i'm trying to figure out how that part of the conversation changes what i said :S ?


18:11:54 Feb 21st 15 - Lady Leila:

I was running around trying to b/d some cities to get more cities for most fearsome but I just noticed burn and destroy does not count. Why is that?


18:41:53 Feb 21st 15 - Ms. Examine:

B&D does not capture, it erases, the city count is only for capturing.


19:17:15 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Millions:

So what happens when you burn and destroy?


Do you get anything for it? 
Or is it just a cheaper option from take over then destroying with money?


19:20:02 Feb 21st 15 - Ms. Bloodrayne:

You don't get anything, you even lose some morale of the army doing it, but when you b/d a large enemy city, its great :-)


19:46:07 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Trolling Troll:

B&D is very underutilized these days. A lot of people are HoH most fearsome whores and care more about kills and cities captured than they care about causing the most damage possible to an enemy. It should be utilized when you are deep in enemy territory and you know you can't keep every city you capture so you B&D it then move onto the next city.  Even if you raze a city, which costs you gold while B&D is free, it can be rebuilt rather quickly from wreckage. It takes much longer build a city from scratch.


22:58:05 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Millions:

So destroying a building to 0 land it is not the same as B&D?


23:21:21 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Trolling Troll:

No because wreckage takes time. B&D the city disappears as it never existed. Also razing costs gold, B&D doesn't.


00:41:50 Feb 22nd 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Battles


The Collective

Battles won: 49
Battles lost: 13

Maleficent

Battles won: 6
Battles lost: 17

Measuring Stick

Battles won: 16
Battles lost: 8


Kingdom of Test

Battles won: 12
Battles lost: 10

Dirty Birds

Battles won: 8
Battles lost: 21

Alcoholics and Scoreboard do not have any battles yet.

If all else fails and we die again like in first  era of this attempt to teach new players, I guess what I can say is that I have a kingdom that likes to fight :D Proud of you guys, you did well so far, 49 wins so far, soon gonna have the 50th, good job! Everyone else, of course, doing good as well :)

That is why I said its a nice era, lots of battles, thats why I'm enjoying it so far :)








01:06:22 Feb 22nd 15 - Mr. Valverde:

My KD has fought larger KDs all era and we still have a winning record :)


01:09:40 Feb 22nd 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Good job :)
And I asked for 50th, few minutes later lol




02:02:13 Feb 22nd 15 - Lady Leila:

VICTORY!

my Lady.

The city of Home is now under our command!

They had 612602 gold, 0 stone, 218434 tree, 7549 food and 0 slaves in the city, that is now yours! We also took 41396 of their peasants as slaves!

We killed all of the 108535 troops.



13:29:18 Feb 23rd 15 - Random (Mr. Evil Random):

Don't mind me.. just farming away...


21:25:26 Feb 24th 15 - Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise:

Looks like whatever they was testing didn't work. Collective claim the first fatality of the era soon.


21:31:49 Feb 24th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Ngati Kahungunu, as a one man kingdom died first, died against Barny at OOP.
Then Knights Radient died against Dirty Birds quickly after.
There were two man kingdom that I killed oop, can't remember the name od Kd
We got Dirty Birds down to 1 city left, that is going to be attacked soon.

So there were many before, and we're far from killing Kd Test
There's a lot more fighting to be done



21:39:52 Feb 24th 15 - Sir Yisrahel Igba of Yesu:

First kingdom dead that the west can see :P 


21:40:34 Feb 24th 15 - Sir Yisrahel Igba of Yesu:

The east side of the map has been busy lol no one has died yet on the west , we need to get to work over here 


10:51:43 Feb 25th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Eh humans and their crazy mobilization :D


Through the eye we can see this information about Graveyard, owned by Mr. Testtttttttttttttt:
Swordsmen:392780


18:24:34 Feb 25th 15 - Jack Daniels The drunk (Mr. Jack The Righteous):

go barny you show them


18:42:39 Feb 25th 15 - Mr. Eddy:

Thats soooo much upkeep.


19:56:48 Feb 25th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Its not like he's going to leave the city till end of era... He said it himself, he wanted to test human oop, probably for GvE world, where he is focusing most of his attention I am sure, he only came here to test few things, and he did pretty well at oop, but later he lost interest I guess, or maybe he did not expect Collective to grow this fast?

He suggested that its cool to have 90k size blockers, but its clear that blocker does not block on any size, Measuring Stick are showing that pretty well by moving under the blocker and attacking the cities we took / Kd Test destroyed. So that did not work well, thats why people don't build 90k city blockers I would say :)

Still its fun to see that many soldiers being trained, but fact is that we will most likely have to avoid that city till the very end of the era, when everything else is settled and the winner has the means to suicide few people on the city before actually having the strength to attack. Or basically since he will be trapped in that city till end of era, there's a good chance one of our Orcs might outrain him and use army of the dead to beat him up... In the end he should die, but most likely not in a few weeks or so, considering he's not really high priority as of now. If he moves out his city will be vulnerable and he can't afford such upkeep, walking to any of our important areas is way too far away for him to leave his city behind.


20:05:28 Feb 25th 15 - Mr. Trolling Troll:

Does Binh and Barny purposely choose the same race in GvE?


20:11:29 Feb 25th 15 - Binh (Mr. Binh):

nope lol. I only chose human this era because we were sharing core. And I know that human perform superbly oop if done right.


Perhaps our thinking process are the same when deciding which race to play for the era.


20:53:01 Feb 25th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

So they don't feel left out, The Collective declares war on the alcoholics as well
Now we're fighting everyone on the map except Random :P


00:09:03 Feb 26th 15 - Djinn Bartimaeus (Bartimaeus The Djinn):

lol i was wondering who would hit them first


17:13:00 Feb 27th 15 - Mr. Hirogen Hunter:

That would be me :-)



17:38:29 Feb 27th 15 - Jack Daniels The drunk (Mr. Name Got Stolen):

well here i am still alive and kicking whos next


20:21:48 Feb 27th 15 - Mr. Testtttttttttttttt:


10:52:08 Feb 20th 15 - Dark Spawn (Mr. Dominion):

I want to know whats up with Kingdom of Test, is there something we don't know? Why don't they have more power in terms of percentage? We have not fought them, possibly just a battle or two, any updates on their situation?

As Manymistakes mentioned we did a lot of razing of our own cities and consolidating defenses due to having an open core, which is fine because I'd rather have 200k land in one city than 120k~ land in 7 cities in an open core.


17:06:43 Feb 20th 15 - Mr. Millions:

Can't believe how entertaining nirvana is. 

I've enjoyed the era so far, I'm interested in seeing how it plays between The Collective and Maleficent still. The Collective has done really well which is awesome because they have a lot of new players. 1 person from DB (JD), Manymistakes, and myself are all still alive and kicking.


09:11:54 Feb 21st 15 - Lady Leila:

I was running around trying to b/d some cities to get more cities for most fearsome but I just noticed burn and destroy does not count. Why is that?

It's technically not a capture, but it can count as a battle win.


10:17:15 Feb 21st 15 - Mr. Millions:

So what happens when you burn and destroy?


Do you get anything for it? 
Or is it just a cheaper option from take over then destroying with money?
The army that does the B&D loses morale as opposed to gaining morale like it normally would on a victorious capture/siege/etc and the defeated city is removed from the map entirely. That means that you don't have to pay to raze a city, blockers get removed completely as opposed to being blocking wreckage that can be piled into by defenders, and if you are deep in an enemy core you can prevent your army from bouncing into (and subsequently being slaughtered) in a razed enemy city.


04:29:18 Feb 23rd 15 - Random (Mr. Evil Random):

Don't mind me.. just farming away...

M-me too!


12:25:26 Feb 24th 15 - Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise:

Looks like whatever they was testing didn't work. Collective claim the first fatality of the era soon.

You should change your name to 'Sesugh Yisrahel The Not Very Wise'


12:31:49 Feb 24th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Ngati Kahungunu, as a one man kingdom died first, died against Barny at OOP.
Then Knights Radient died against Dirty Birds quickly after.
There were two man kingdom that I killed oop, can't remember the name od Kd
We got Dirty Birds down to 1 city left, that is going to be attacked soon.

So there were many before, and we're far from killing Kd Test
There's a lot more fighting to be done

Good summary of the era so far.


01:51:43 Feb 25th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Eh humans and their crazy mobilization :D 


Through the eye we can see this information about Graveyard, owned by Mr. Testtttttttttttttt:
Swordsmen:392780

Swordsemen good unit! When I sat on 120k~ land across 6 cities and then land-dropped into one single city after razing the undefendable 6 cities the biggest reward I reaped from having high early city/land count was peasant excess.


09:42:39 Feb 25th 15 - Mr. Eddy:

Thats soooo much upkeep.

Not if they never leave the city! 300k Swordsmen upkeep per tick is either:

~1 million gold
~75k food

75k Food? My farms produce 20-25 Food a tick or something because I only have 10-15k of them! The upkeep of a houses Swordsmen is similar to that of a houses peasant. Having 400k Swordsmen isn't ever going to hurt me either so long as food upkeep isnt an issue, I can always release them and train them into MU/other stuff.


10:56:48 Feb 25th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Its not like he's going to leave the city till end of era... He said it himself, he wanted to test human oop, probably for GvE world, where he is focusing most of his attention I am sure, he only came here to test few things, and he did pretty well at oop, but later he lost interest I guess, or maybe he did not expect Collective to grow this fast? 

I do intend to leave the city, but not with Swordsmen. At this point I just train 3 million gold a tick worth of (insert AOTDable unit here) with 0 upkeep until I have an army that is either big enough to make me win or lose. The Collective trains (insert AOTDable unit here) and they have to match me at some point.

You can't attack into 400k Swordsmen with Nazgul at this stage of the era and Upkeep is a non-issue as the defender. I ran into expected RL issues that left me limited on time, I haven't given up. If you attack a 100% wall s9 city with a non-AOTDable unit you are going to have to prep it for days and days only to be slammed into at any% (for injury/damage) by swordsmen and then 100% slaughtered by AOTD-Knights.


10:56:48 Feb 25th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

He suggested that its cool to have 90k size blockers, but its clear that blocker does not block 

One thing I wanted to test was city sizes, actual borders, and leniency for 'settling onto terrain'. 14400's have BY FAR the most leniency when it comes to settling onto terrain, 90ks are the worst (they need a good amount of space and do not 'snap to terrain'), and the difference between some city sizes (like 14400-25600 and 56400-78400) when it comes to settling is kind of ridiculous.


20:25:54 Feb 27th 15 - Mr. Barny:


11:05:28 Feb 25th 15 - Mr. Trolling Troll:

Does Binh and Barny purposely choose the same race in GvE?

I chose Human on GvE Round 3 because I think they are the best OOP race if you play correctly. I botched my start on GvE by settling then missing 12 ticks (worse than not settling at all due to prod loss) so I had to adjust my strategy accordingly.


11:11:29 Feb 25th 15 - Binh (Mr. Binh):

nope lol. I only chose human this era because we were sharing core. And I know that human perform superbly oop if done right.


Perhaps our thinking process are the same when deciding which race to play for the era.
I bet that we have a similar thought process for picking race. Last round we both picked Halfling, probably for similar reasons given that we both went for very similar strategies/timings. This round we both picked Human, again probably for similar reasons.


21:14:27 Feb 27th 15 - Dark Spawn (Mr. Dominion):

New players in our kingdom ask me what do they mean "humans are best if you play them right, humans are best if you play them correctly"
Well I have to tell them I do not know. Same goes for what they used to say few months ago when everyone said "you can get 50k Gaia at oop, they are the best if you play them right" but all those people never actually tell you how to play it "right" so I am always sad to tell the new people that these people that are considered the "best" always keep the strategies to themselves. I would help, but my knowledge is quite limited, so I can only offer a few tips, those that know how  to play it "right" never actually share the technique.


21:25:46 Feb 27th 15 - Teirdel (Saint Tyrael of Justice):

As humans on manta I always drop 2 25k cities after I get my armory pop. Then if left alone save for land drop. If not you have alit of flexibility especially with human mobilization. Always played human that way minus land drop...only started that recently :/


13:25:01 Feb 28th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Even though we had the upper hand a little bit, now I am pretty sure Mal is the main force for winning this eta. When you compare Mal to The Collective, you can see few obvious differences. Some might say it was my personal mistake.


Starting points:
Maleficent
-alcoholics on their west
-measuring stick south

The Collective
-dirty birds south
-mal north east
-alcoholics north
-test south east
-random south

Mal does not fight alcoholics
They fight measuring stick and then suddenly stop when we come
Means they either cf or NaP

The collective NaP Random
Fight everyone else
My explicit order.

This is a game of war and diplomacy, and I might have taken more than we can chew, considering now we fight the entire map while Mal fights us.

Still if we ever win as a kingdom I rather kill everyone except one small size kd ally, than to have 3-4 alive kingdoms in the end.

We still have to learn much, but even now I can say these new guys are great, we have Hirogen fighting alcoholics by himself, but I dont know just how many alcoholics are playing, so far Hirogen is killing them. 

Other two new players have good armies and even experiencing with magic this era. Our main mage plays rarely and not very experienced, nor too active but still performs well. 

Even though I might have made mistakes of going for everyone, I still think I would do everythink the same. Fact is if Ryan or Kd Test were near Mal things would be different. Now we have to invest 3-4 large armies to keep them in their cities... In the end we will most likely get run over by Mal. Still as long as we are enjoying the era I am happy :-)


14:01:57 Feb 28th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

Correction:

If Jack of DB (not Ryan) or Kd Test were in Mal area, would be different.


14:08:47 Feb 28th 15 - Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise:

MAL and my kingdom don't have any official relations as far as i know. They attacked and we were not ready so when you distracted them we decided to take the time to get war ready :P if MAL had kept pushing they likely could of beaten us 


16:44:14 Feb 28th 15 - Alrisaia (Mr. Alrisaio The Beholden):

Definitely an extremely active and fun era so far :-)


Seven- you narrowly escaped a very bad situation when i failed my ROF :-)

Good era thus far everyone thoroughly enjoying it!


17:53:43 Feb 28th 15 - Ms. Seven of Nine:

When was that? When I was preparing on Crustaal's city? You know I had 67% with 2 more ticks to full prep that would take me to over 80%, even waited till 1 am but then you locusted just when I was about to go for it lol


It was fun cause when I attacked you guys I killed half of Cristaal's army, Von's first army, slaughtered Bart's main army and was about to kill other half of her army but you saved her. Due to reinforcements being far we are retreating :-) 



18:40:22 Feb 28th 15 - Alrisaia (Lady Alrisaia The Phantom):

Yeah I had a 42% for an ROF and knew that if I had success on cast 1, subsequent casts would be easier since your mage count would've been reduced... It may have meant ROF three or four times until Rora could've gotten a slaughter.


Definitely a good offensive you guys just ran out of gas. :-)

I applaud your new players for their efforts and offer to them any advice in which they might want to know. I'm mostly a mage so magic questions are obviously those I can answer best.


08:30:12 Mar 1st 15 - Mr. Valverde:

I will confirm Mal and MS have a CF. I kind of over estimated The Collective and under estimated the rest of the map. 


I thought The Collective had the rest of the map pretty much locked down, my LoS in west is very limited. I didn't realize only 2-3 players was all they would be sending at Mal. Had I known, I wouldn't have offered the CF.

Truth be told Mal could have over run my KD very early. I have no idea why they didn't commit the resources to do so. Bart was really the only player sending armies at us and he was sending them in either small armies, which we could kill or sent them with few to no mages, which we would RoF. Had he sent just one consolidated army with proper mage count, we wouldn't have been able to stop it. Additionally, if Edd, Crystal, and Von all sent armies at us, we would have been outmatched and over run. 


09:33:05 Mar 1st 15 - Mr. Asteroid III:

Back at the beginning of the era we had 2-3 people with less to no time to play, and thats where the talk of disban came from, but we all agreed we will stay and play with low activity, considering we were doing quite well. But now that we lost some of the armies of people that are active, I think you guys doing the CF and avoiding Test to attack us, pretty much determines what this era is going to be. I guess we took on too much, and now it will be only downwards for us.

I personally wanted to quit right before oop because I wanted to go again as Dwarf, I really like the race, and last era on Valhalla I had the most powerful army on the entire map at one time, and I was planning to do the same here, but then somehow I started as human, so that messed it up. At least I will get some experience and insight on other races this era, next one I am returning to Dwarfs, and next era I will be fielding a horde once again.


13:11:51 Mar 1st 15 - Sir Yisrahel Igba of Yesu:

Avoiding test? The second we stopped fighting MAL we attacked test...They only had a handful of cities , graveyard and surrounded left , the other two or three they had we burned to the ground before sieging surrounded and prepping on graveyard. We then realised we hadn't brang enough troops to take either and pulled back. then YOUR kingdom began casting freeze's etc on our armies in the area so we attacked you. 


13:16:11 Mar 1st 15 - Mr. Sesugh Yisrahel The Wise:

Infact I personally messaged your kingdom saying we was going to war with test and got no reply. So it did not make sense , when you already had most of the gains from fighting test , for us to come in against the armies hiding in GT cities and take a bunch of losses for what were basically worthless cities that we couldn't hold when you attacked us.


13:35:57 Mar 1st 15 - Lady Leila:

The only message I got from you was you asking are we gonna fight you guys or Mal, to which I replied we are going on full retreat. 


You sent a message to Aisha showing her messages between you and Kingdom Test about your talks about NaP, but they refused so then you offer to help us?

Which makes no sense considering I took most of their cities, or they wrecked it, so that they only have 2 left that you guys can't touch. Shortly after you guys started sending troops our way so we had to freeze but only after you started the aggression. 

Considering we lost our battle against Mal and we failed to control Jack and Barny, and due to Maleficent fighting nobody but us, this era is pretty much over.


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