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we all know that and for some reason i cant understand the retards voting actually voted him in anther term....i forgot how many years he has left so correct me if im wrong....wich u aperantly have no problem doing i think theres 2 years left of him about.

My first thought was totally honestly "what goes around comes around".

well sed.

but i was just as shocked with the bombing of bagdad as i was with the world trade centers

After Pearl Harbor and WW2, the US used that as a free pass to invade countries all over the world, topple governments and wage wars by proxy on all continents. After 9/11 they started doing the same thing, but they really screwed up in Iraq by not getting the international support, and by fighting war on the cheap. If Iraq had been a sucess, then the US could have been warring Iran, Syria and North Korea by now while still tapping the good will they gained after 9/11.

As it is now, I dont see how the US could start another war, ever. The presidents that come after Dubya wont be as strong (or as single minded), and in 10-15 years it will be impossible for the US to send armies around the world since China will be a balancing superpower.

In a way, perhaps the sad attack on Iraq has saved us a future without more american attack wars. Once that happens, there wont be any reason for ppl like Al Qaeda to be pissed anymore. Or at least they wont have any popular support, so they can sit alone in their caves and be pissed while watching Seinfeld reruns on satellite.

indeed, however north korea (administration) doesn share these values that european counrtys are based on. im sure that with a little pursuadeing they would sell the nukes to terrorists one way or another. once the north becomes a democracy then i will be much happier =]

I could be argued that europeans thrust america to the forefront themselves.

By not taking on a threat right next door they made it possible for hitler to thake checoslavacia(sp sorry) then waltz into poland. dadada history

Afterwords who put up the money to rebuild europe?  who defended eorope in the following years?  Later who complained about american military being there, but ohh so enjoyed the money they spent?


also, who tried to colonize a good portion of the unstable,poor, militaraly contested places in the world right now?

ohh Europeans....Left the whole continent of africa without any efective government, split up India, Pakistan, not to mention the ottoman empire...see current day Iraq.

You did not neccesarly grow up, you learned to retreat and ignore problems you helped create.

Yes and also we can all agree that Bush is a dork.

His power ends november 2nd.

Sir Juchi 10/11/2006 2:20:34 AM

I could be argued that europeans thrust america to the forefront themselves. By not taking on a threat right next door they made it possible for hitler to thake checoslavacia(sp sorry) then waltz into poland. dadada history Afterwords who put up the money to rebuild europe?  who defended eorope in the following years?  Later who complained about american military being there, but ohh so enjoyed the money they spent? also, who tried to colonize a good portion of the unstable,poor, militaraly contested places in the world right now? ohh Europeans....Left the whole continent of africa without any efective government, split up India, Pakistan, not to mention the ottoman empire...see current day Iraq. You did not neccesarly grow up, you learned to retreat and ignore problems you helped create.

Nicely said.......

We need new ideas, and to end political parties altogether. It only encourages seperatisim.and petty arguments. Goverment is way to many rich old guys sucking the ass of big buisness.and stuffing there own pockets. To many old world ideas in a new world.

We have the chance to change history, amd usher in unity, but yet to many old politics at play. Give it ten years, or so, and hope change sweeps through with a new generation.

thanks for the support Duchess Ginger Rogers, but i would have taken Kerry over bush any day of the week.  In fact i would have taken a mostly dead turtle over GW.

Btw dont copy and paste names here it improvements fonts.

Ill leane towards england here and say america needs a parlement, having 2 parties sucks. And the party in charge is, if not the most, corrupt in american history.

My basic point is that no matter what you say the US has done alot of good in this world and to blame them(us) for all its problems is *beep*ic.

Lets go back to GHouma saying the US spends the smallest % of gov spending on other countries.

#1 he completely ignored my point that the Us was the Major Contributer after to the Two hugest disasasters in the last what 50 years?
#2 i would rather take 1% of 100 dollars then 10% of 5.
#3 those figures also don't include what the american people donate to the rrest of the world.    hmmm Bill gates and warn buffet done anything lately?
and by the way in the 1970 the US had ag programs in a good portion of the world, they worked in South America and Asia.  Failed in Africa the gates foundation is putting that as a priority.
Also a big priority right now in the US is malaria, kills more the any stupid terriorists group ever could.

I urge you to stop believing in a book written by man, 40-50 years after so called events happen. A book that has been translated so many different times its actual real translation is lost in the interpretation of the translator himself.

Dont get me wrong I believe in God, but not any book about him. I do believe in science more than a book

But we don't really need to let this become a religon nashing thread.

If America would use the same tactics used in WWII, the middle east and N. Korea would be defeated.  Sending in troops and then waiting for something to happen is making us lose the war.  This is a war being run by yellow politicians and the media.  The politicians are too worried about offending, hurting or being too hard on our enemy.  Our soldiers are being arrested and tried for murder for doing what's supposed to be their job and torture using loud music and cold rooms is said to be "cruel punishment" to the Islamofascists.  Hezbollah runs free because we're too worried about the "innocent civilians" to bomb the hell out of them.  The liberals in this country are making Israel out to be our enemy and making people like Hugo Chaves of Venezuela and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran to be good people. And our President sits idly by lets all this stuff happen.  Bush and his people need to smarten up or they are going to be the death of this country.

These things would never have happened if things were done like they were done in WWII.  Then we bombed cities we needed to even though there would be civilian casualites.  Just look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  It was done to lower morale and to show just a hint of what we are capable of.  We went in to Japan and Europe and got things done.  Period.  No matter what anyone thought or how many people we hurt.  That's war.  Its not pretty but if we have to go to war it needs to be done right.  If North Korea are trying to flex their nuclear muscle we need to bomb the hell out them and show them that our muscles are bigger.  But in the state of things right now, we won't.  We'll contemplate, speculate,  talk and bicker amongst ourselves about the issues and nothing will get done.  Then all the 3rd world nations will stand up against us because we are showing way too much weakness and guess what we won't do anything to make them sit back down. 

Alright done ranting.

The problem with your philosophy Shahal, was our reasoning behind going to war with Iraq in the first place.  They wanted to remove the dictator and make life better for Iraqi's (or so they said), and bombing the hell out of anything that moves doesn't not make anything better for anyone, therefore defeating the purpose of doing it in the first place.

"These things would never have happened if things were done like they were done in WWII.  Then we bombed cities we needed to even though there would be civilian casualites.  Just look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  It was done to lower morale and to show just a hint of what we are capable of."

Exactly, thats the point. America got attacked in THEIR own country one time. They paniced -- and threw the bomb. The only ones EVER in history using a nuclear bomb. THEY are the ones you should be afraid of. Cuz they dont care if they wipe our entire civil cities to get their goal / if they panic. And they will be the only ones doing it ever again.

 "If North Korea are trying to flex their nuclear muscle we need to bomb the hell out them and show them that our muscles are bigger.  But in the state of things right now, we won't.  We'll contemplate, speculate,  talk and bicker amongst ourselves about the issues and nothing will get done.  Then all the 3rd world nations will stand up against us because we are showing way too much weakness and guess what we won't do anything to make them sit back down.  "

Yeah, sure big talk - no clue. I would want to see YOU if you would sit in Europe with all those US military barracks and soldiers stationed here and then US pissing off all the middle east countries that have only weapon range into europe and US continent is far away and safe. You can have big words from over the Ocean but you would shut your mouth if you would live in Europe right besides barracks that are inside the weapon range AND a no.1 target for pissed of fanatics. I would want to see YOU living 100m away from the targets that get bombed first if a real war would start.

Mr Hyde, Half are *beep*nault is in Europe.30% of the US nuke misslies are in Poland, England, France, and germany.

We didnt panic as you said and dropped a bomb. learn your histyory before jumping like that.

The main reason we dropped bombs on Japan is simple. If you invaded japans homeland that would cost at min. 1 million american/allied lives. Stretch the war out after Germany surrenderd, and surely Japan would have never surrendered.


The bomb cost lots of lives, but it saved more than it killed.

No look at Japan, the most techmologicaly advanced nation in the world. With our help they managed to get back on there feet.

We learned from wars, we now never target civilian areas. We spent billions of dollars trying to create pin point weapons just to make sure.

Knight of Chaos, do you know what your saying? At the start of WW2 american had one of the weakest armies in the world, our equipment was terrible, we where poorly trained, basically in shambles from ww1 still.

Even when we joined up, we still had to use french machine guns that didnt work. Our tanks where death traps for our men. So the US was really in no shape to help much sooner with troops than we actually did.

yes, we learn more about WW2 in school than you ever in your whole life.

If your more than double my age, how are the diapers, and retirement treating you? You on the viagra yet, or you past those days already also? Do they blend your food for you to make it easier to eat at your age?

Im not here to make new enemies, trust me I have made many. But you cant run around assuming you are the smartest guy on the planet. This isnt a pissing contest its a debate.

Just as you were taught history in school, so was I. Except I took it further. I am a history buff, I know exactly what im posting. I didnt specify German history, but WW2. 

Yes please enlighten me as to the false information. I may not be always right(contrary to my belief), but I surely dont post false info as the truth.

No you dont have your facts straight.

Your trying to tell me Japan, the masters of death before surrender was asking for peace? Your way off base, way, way, way off. Under no time did japan ask for peace, not once. Not until the bombs dropped.

Alot of you guys are just blinded by hate for americans, and your views are manupulated by those feelings.

I think you guys should stop reading old history books and read all the declassified info about the war. It is a real eye opener.

I never said Europe woulda lost ww2 without america, what I did say was we came this close to losing it with america. It really is a matter of bad timing/luck for the axis powers. They had the weapons/technology to beat us badly. They just didnt have the time to train people for the weapons they had.

"Your trying to tell me Japan, the masters of death before surrender was asking for peace? Your way off base, way, way, way off. Under no time did japan ask for peace, not once. Not until the bombs dropped."

Not everyone lives in Samurai Fantasy.....at least not in Japan...

Hahaha, I think I live in the history also. The whole world lives in the history, get over yourself.

Theres an invisable man who lives in the clouds and he wants all to love and cherish, yet millions die in his name. I think the proof you asked for is right in front of your eyes.

"Theres an invisable man who lives in the clouds and he wants all to love and cherish, yet millions die in his name. I think the proof you asked for is right in front of your eyes."

Again the most utterly stupid reason mankind was able to create for hating god. God didnt kill anything. Fanatics who THOUGHT they know what god wants killed millions. If i kill someone in your name is it YOUR responsibility? no..

God offered the free will to mankind and mankind accepted, they could all be nice lil puppies who never do anything wrong, but they wanted to be able to DECIDE and now that they decide wrong you blame god ? rofl... thats like Person A giving a 100 dollars to Person B and Person B buying a train ticket from it, the train crashed and he gets his legs severed and then blaming person A that he gave him 100 dollars... 

Yeah youre right... he wants all to love and cherish - not his fault that were too stupid to do it and ABUSE his name for OUR violence.

"the allies released those ones"

Correction:

The allies released the ones that sounded good for them.

Just like your arguments are only based on your fellings, not fact.

Just like your God, its not fact but a theory. Religon has changed so much to suit the people spewwing that crap just to suit there needs of the time.

So if god is real than so is the devil right?

Oh wait, the devil is a made up story used to scare kids into behaving, and believing. So look it up. If God was real, science woulda picked up on something, but all science had done is dis proove lots of bible stories and myths.

We can look back millions of years find creatures, humans from way back then, yet we cant find a single solid piece of evidence about god.

Keep preaching faith, but all faith is, is an idea, a belief nothing solid, nothing in fact.

I have faith I will eat dinner tonite, does that make my food holier than thou?

Here is my real respone to your first post Foghorn, took some time.

"If the US didnt jump in when we did with actual troops, Europe would be speaking german, and eastern asia, austra, New Zea, and most of the southern pacific would be speaking Japanese. The we(america would have been next and we woulda had 0 chance."

I dont think we would have been forced to speak German, but I get your point. However if Germany had won I think most people would just think of the Holocaust as just somethign unfortunate today, just as we think of the extinction of milions of people aroudn the world today wich was no less horrible.

"Euorpe  had more to do with the creation of half the countries on this planet, Mostly in the middle east after WW1, and again with US help after WW2. So the whole allied alliance is to blame for Israel, and that mess."

True, no one is deneing that the European natiosn were imperialsts. Imperialism is the worst thing humans has ever done and the USA goes in the footsteps of the Euros.

"Israel is not fully to blame for there current mess. They have been victim of attacks since the very start of its exsistence. Anyone remeber the 1967 war?"

Israel got so much more money and power then their arabs neighbouts that its not even close to fair to compare them, Israel got the power to stop the mess, but choose to have their racist laws and not taking responsibility for their murders. Israel kills 10 palestinians for every 1 israeli that dies, thoose fackts speak for themself.

"Now lets talk about Osama bin laden. Yes the US created Usama, but why? Do you have any clue as to why? It goes back to Vietnam. Russia supplied and funded the Viet cong, and in all reality they caused us all the trouble we had there."

Viet cong is a racist saying, please dont use it. Soviet didnt help NFL from start, they started late. And why shouldnt they have helped Vietnam? That was a good thing of them, america have killed 4 million people in south east asia, HOW can you even try and defend that?

"So what did we do? Good ol american payback. When Russia invaded Afghanastan we supported the rebals, we gave them training, weapons, money, and info on russian troops monements. There is no doubt american created Usam, Taliban, Saddam. So we play the game and we payed the price. Now we are trying to right the wrong we created."

Yes everyone know CIA gave Osama bilions of dollars to stop the soviet and trained him men. But its not for Usama you invaded Iraq or Afghatnistan. It was for Oil. Afghanistans president (dont think he was elected fairly) worked at an Oil company before. The first decision he made was to build a pipeline the taliban didnt allow. Saying your trying to right your wrongs is extremly naive, I dont think that came from your heart.

"While on topic, Saddam, another dictaror we created, but why? This time because of Iran. a fanatacial regime with some off the wall plans. So we couldnt let Iran control the middle east, that would hurt ALL western interests(yes europes also). Saddam went a bit power happy, Rape rooms, Chemical weapons, ect, ect, ect..."

Ah, but please, mention that it was due to america that there was a fanatical regime in Iran, after you removed the democraticly elected president. Again, there is more torture in Iraq now thanks to america then it was when saddam was in power. Where did your morals go? I dont think ever had any... CIA said there would be consequences for what you did in Iran but Bush didnt listen.

"Look at Iraq now, Sectarian violence created by the *beep*es in Iran against the former ruling party sunies. So that is partly years of oppression now being paid back, and Iran trying to keep unrest to divert world attention(like they did in lebenon)."

Iran got democratic elections, so dont they have has much right as you to help dictatorships around the world?

"Peferct example is the Kurds in northern Iraq. They have elected their own president, they have their own security forces. There is no bombing, its econemy is rapidly growing and they are doing great. Why is that? Its because they have been able to keep the fanatics out and at bay. It can be done, but the people need to want it, and in and around Bagdahad there is just way to much outside interference, and the locals are still scared."

No, its because the Kurds have alot of Oil their economy is going great. The arabs are mad because you kill them, support Israels apartheid laws, and because you give terrible despots power over their anations like in Saudi arabia right now.

"Alot of you guys need to go and do a little research for yourselves and not rely on propaganda, and radical points of view. I know we are to blame for some things, but if you look throughout history ever anywhere you will see.

There has NEVER been 1 country so powerful, and yet dont use that power to take over anyone. We dont abuse it nowhere near as much as you guys seem to think."

Its making me laugh that you want to compare USA to nations for a century ago :) For 100 years ago simple peoples lifes was more similar to how people lived at the bronze age then how it is today. And you are wrong, you abuse your power more then you seem to be able to imagine. You have no idea what kind of economic pressure you can put on smaller nations, thats the main reasons that the EU was created so the US would have to trade fairly to European nations.

"The real problem is the haters in the world, and every country has them. Why dont we all grow up, and put retarded differences aside and help the people that really need it and stop pointing fingers."

Why is questioning what the west world does to the third world the real PROBLEM in the world? I hope you have a good explanation for that... I think we should help people that needs help like you, but I dont think the american goverment is doing that. Sorry mate.

"Every country in history as conqured and raped, pillaged, and plundered for profit(england, France, Russia, China, Spain, ect, ect) they have all had world empires at one time or another. Has the US? Nope, never. We dont want world domination, we want world peace, and harmony. Make love, no war *beep* like that."

China never had a world empire, they had isolationist politics after Zeng he. Sure you never wanted domination, look at the philipines. Look what you did with the Monroe doctrine. America has been in alot of  Wars since it was created. World war 2 is the only one I think was good.

First off, lets clarify. Japan had seeking peace for months before the Nuclear bomb was dropped. The americans rejected peace negotiations why? Because they wanted unconditional surrender. So because of that they nuked and killed 1 million innocent civilians for nothing.

And you know why Japan did not want unconditional surrender before the nuke? THE ONLY THING THEY WANTED, was to keep their Emperor. Because of this YOU NUKE them. Thats a tad bit silly id say.

Japan never needed any help from the US, that country went from the dark ages to the industrial age in 10 years. They work for 12 hours a day!

So lets summarize, what you are saying is, its OK to bomb and kill millions, as long as we blend som concrete and build a few new houses. All this because of 1 man who was not even involved in starting the war in the first place. Thats kewl.