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17:01:18 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Robert II:

I dislike religious people. The morales of the texts of most religions is quite nice. I just dislike the people who take it that seriously.

-Rob


17:09:39 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

o yeah, seriously enough to talk about it, just terrible


18:50:35 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Willem II:


nothing wrong with religion, if you WW II wouldn't have happend most poeple would still believe in god.. this is a fact, just wanted to let you guys know;) oh and i don't believe in jezus and god etc.. but some story's from the bible are proven, some are just story's... its proven that natural disasters could have done those things (great flood, mozes, sodom, jericho) and the garden of eden probably was an oasis in the middle of the dessert, its a metafore. the poeple in the oasis got to many kids and then they ran out of food and god punished them... or as natural cause, plague killed most so they had to flee.


19:31:46 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

ok how the hell are you blaming current religions for WWII, and -though most churches are split about this- i accept the stories in the bible as guidelines and parables i.e stories holding morals and suchlike, so ur preaching to the wrong choir


19:59:20 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

Yes, those are good lessons alright. The bible taught me to hate black people, Jews, homosexuals and women...right before I realised it didn't have any good guidelines whatsoever. If a person is going to pick some stories as guidelines and not others then why not watch our favorite television show that talks about life and get lessons from it? I hear Homer Simpson is quite insightful, and he doesn't hate minorities.


20:08:29 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Willem II:


hmmm.. funny bible you read then.

@ kassius, not current religion, the lack of it. before WWII most poeple where religious but the war convinced poeple there was no god.


20:40:57 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

I found all these doing a cursory google search with a 5 minute time limit:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. (Timothy 2:11-14)

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
-- I Corinthians 14:34-35 (NIV)

"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he [Moses] asked them.... "Now ... kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
-- Numbers 31:1-18 (NIV)

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son ... Then shall his father and his mother ... bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
-- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (AV)

(regarding slavery)... thou shalt take an [awl], and thrust it through his ear..., and he shall be thy servant for ever.
-- Deuteronomy 15:17 (AV)

(Matthew quoting Jesus) "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother..."
-- Matthew 10:34-35 (AV)


23:27:25 Dec 29th 07 - Mr. Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies never
      come to an end; they are new every morning. .  .
                                                                              - Lamentations 3:22-23
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Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
                                                                                    - Psalms 119:105
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The fruit of the spirit is love, joy and peace.
                                                                                    - Galatians 5:22
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The kingdom of God is within you.
                                                                                    - Luke 17:21
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He covers the sky with clouds, he supplies the earth with rain,
    and maketh the grass grow on the hills.
                                                                                     - Psalms 147:8
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Come unto me, ye who are weary and overburdened, and I
    will give you rest.
                                                                                 - Matthew 11:28
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Stand still and consider the wondrous works of God.
                                                                                 - Job 37:14
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Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and
    be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
                                                                                         - III John 2
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There is no fear in love; for perfect love casteth out fear.
                                                                                     - I John 4:18
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Love is patient, love is kind,
    Love does not insist on its own way.
    Love bears all things, believes all things,
    Hopes all things, endures all things.
    Love never fails.
                                                                                 - I Corinthians 13:4-8
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a 2 second search on ask.com, its sad that there are bad quotes like the ones you found, yet you will notice that christains are not goin round acting like hitler or the KKK, most christians muslims jews etc are peaceful,

@William, yes people lost there faith but look what they went through, but you should also remember that peoples faith helped them through a lot, take the jews, millions were killed and yet they showed an amazing spirit.

 

 


00:08:36 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

there are bad quotes like the ones you found, yet you will notice that christains are not goin round acting like hitler or the KKK

So if people are perfectly able to tell what is right and what is wrong without the bible then why have it? If I went around today passing out bulletins saying a bunch of nice things like "my god gives us rains and love and puppies and icecream; he just hates Jews and women and *beep*s" I'd be arrested and/or beaten on the street. If you can tell what's right and wrong then you don't need a bible; and if you CAN'T tell then it's terribly dangerous.


03:57:31 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Sorra:

ok...be anything, athiest muslim jew i really dont give a *beep*.

What does piss me off is that if a majority of a country is religous like america and teh majority of the people there want to vote in religous laws or even change teh constitution to be more religous, then LET THEM.

If the majority of people want something, and it somehow seems religous, then let them have it. Thats the majority of the your dman country and thats how democracy work.

The non religous minority shouldent have the right to take away what the religous majority wants. If ever learning evolution in schools was put to a vote to the amarican people (Witch i dont support being taught in public schools), and the majority voted yes, then that should be. The Non-religous have no right to deny them that. Just like that bastard, amazing athiest was saying, "if you dont like it, MOVE".

 

Sorry for the spelling mistakes, posted this in a rush


04:07:18 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

most christians muslims jews etc are peaceful

       Yes thats why muslims call everyone but themselfs infedels. Ya most muslims are peaceful thats why thay plant IEDs, have car bombings, kill christions, jews, budists, and every other "infedel" just becouse thay are not muslem. also muslems dont even like themselfs ie:Sunnis and Sheites kill one another. all in all all religons are eval in the way thay would wrather use force to get what thay wont then deplomicy ex: ireland and great britan only diference is that ireland is christion and britan is prodistant and becouse of that the Irish republican army "and irish terrorist group" waged a war v.s. the prodistant northern ireland which is part of the UK. and if you look through history there are tons of religous confrontations. during the plague jews were slaughterd becouse thay "poisoned the water, and were fowling the air" the Holy Crusades, when constintine had to force the muslems from spain in the 1000-1500 "i dont know the exact years the war was fought. but open google and you will see the hell religons went through to kill one another.

       And the NAZIs were trying to make a religon on the basis of atlantis, thay thought after atlantis was destroyd the prists exscaped and went to the himalas and long story short the nazis tryed selective breeding to make a super race and rule the world preaching their religon. yet agen open google.

       and now i rest my case.


04:26:41 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

       looking back at my post it looks like i am anti-religus ppl. i agree that not all muslems, and christons are bad just the onle that hold all the power and that can convince everyone els to kill "for their religon".

       If you look carefuly you will see that i leave out jews. thats becouse jews are not all that bad if you leave out the fact thay thay are vary secritive and that is why thay have been prosicuted i might add.


04:39:13 Dec 30th 07 - Duke Fafnir:

"muslims call everyone but themselfs infedels"
Didn't the Crusaders call everyone infedels as well?

"Ya most muslims are peaceful thats why thay plant IEDs.....etc"
That is a very, very small % of that religion.

"Sunnis and Sheites kill one another"
I know if you look at history there are several Chiristians who do not like each other......take the Catholics and the Church of England

"you will see the hell religons went through to kill one another."
Too true, but one thing Google won't show you is what Religion has done for people. When the Jews were prosecuted they turned to God, when a person has no hope that person turns to God, when there is nothing left there is always religion and God (or Gods if you want to take it back to the Romans, Greeks, etc).


04:53:48 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

I wont to tell you that not all of my information came from google.

"I know if you look at history there are several Chiristians who do not like each other......take the Catholics and the Church of England"

this just strangthins my position, for i was not only speaking for muslems.

"That is a very, very small % of that religion"

I am srry to tell you but its not that small, or if you call all of iran's population small also look at africa in nigeria the muslems waged a jihad or crusade to convert all christions to islam. Yes the number of ppl is small well the ppl that do it all the time, if you look at the ppl that are not violent but suport ex:building IEDs, spreding propiganda, exc...0

"Didn't the Crusaders call everyone infedels as well?"

im srry the muslems patented it as a way to clasify anyone that is not islomic.


05:06:56 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

and teh majority of the people there want to vote in religous laws or even change teh constitution to be more religous, then LET THEM

I was suprised to see this since I thought Americans took the constitution to be never changed and always obeyed. The constitution is saving the us from and even larger take-over by religious interests.

jews are not all that bad if you leave out the fact thay thay are vary secritive

LOL that was a powerfully racist thing to say.

when there is nothing left there is always religion and God

Fine there is, but what in the world does THAT do? Nothing. Religion and praying and hoping and knowing an imaginary man loves you does NOT solve your problems. If you are poor you need to get a job, not pray to a god. If you are sick you need medicince. If you are going to die anyway you need to spend time with your family and start thinking about what death really means, not comforting yourself with make-belief. That is what religion all boils down to: people playing make-belief to comfort themselves against the idea that a)the world and everything in it is a crazy accident and b)when you die you are never ever coming back, and the world goes on without you. That sounds dark, but when you can embrace these facts you can find that life is the most amazing thing you will ever experience, and you might not squander it saying "well when I'm dead I get a second crack at it anyway".


05:27:02 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

 but when you can embrace these facts you can find that life is the most amazing thing you will ever experience, and you might not squander it saying "well when I'm dead I get a second crack at it anyway".

i am 100% with you on this.

jews are not all that bad if you leave out the fact thay thay are vary secritive

LOL that was a powerfully racist thing to say.

How is that racist? its true when have the jews done something horable compaired to the nazis, christions, muslems, exc..? the sad thing is that jewdisim is a dieing religion with it loosing 20,000 members every year.

 


05:56:48 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Odysseus:

Title:

America


Body:
I dislike religious people. The morales of the texts of most religions is quite nice. I just dislike the people who take it that seriously.

-Rob


This is one of the lamest attempts to start a meaningful thread ever.  I can't believe you guys even bit at this!


06:42:20 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

It kinda took on a life of it's own, Odysseus haha. Anyway:

jews are not all that bad

Not particularly racist.

if you leave out the fact thay thay are vary secritive

Hilariously racist, ESPECIALLY cuz you don't even see why I say it is lol.


08:03:18 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Sorra:

Mr. Romus The II

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12/29/2007 11:53:48 PM

I wont to tell you that not all of my information came from google.

"I know if you look at history there are several Chiristians who do not like each other......take the Catholics and the Church of England"

this just strangthins my position, for i was not only speaking for muslems.

"That is a very, very small % of that religion"

I am srry to tell you but its not that small, or if you call all of iran's population small also look at africa in nigeria the muslems waged a jihad or crusade to convert all christions to islam. Yes the number of ppl is small well the ppl that do it all the time, if you look at the ppl that are not violent but suport ex:building IEDs, spreding propiganda, exc...0

"Didn't the Crusaders call everyone infedels as well?"

im srry the muslems patented it as a way to clasify anyone that is not islomic.

 

That is about one of the mot stupied things iv ever herd in my life

Im not going to bother showing you the all facts but i'll give a heads up. The Word "Infedel" was created by the Pope during the first crusade. It was first used against muslims because the Crusaders saw them as Infedels on what they considered Christan soil, The city of Jerusalem

Anyways back to the comment that more then a small % of muslims are evil

Are you always this stupid or are you making a special effort today?


15:55:39 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

In Christianity

In Christianity, the term "infidel" is an ecclesiastical term referring to one who does not believe in the divinity of Jesus or one who has not been baptized. A heretic, in contrast, is an individual who believes in the divinity of Jesus, but also knowingly holds beliefs that contradict Catholic dogma, while a schismatic is an individual who does not hold beliefs contrary to Catholic dogma, but denies the authority of the Catholic Church.[7]

In Islam

Main article: kafir

In Islam, the Arabic word kafir "infidel" (كافر) refers to a person who inwardly or outwardly denies Allah and/or the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Because the term is considered derogatory,[8] Muslim scholars discourage its usage due to the Quran's command to use kind words.[9] It is even a punishable offence to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, under Islamic law.[8]

well it looks like we both were wrong about infidel.

which is more racist?

jews are not all that bad if you leave out the fact thay thay are vary secritive

"Kill the black plight that plagues our streets, for thay are under the sons of god like you and me! Drive them back to the plantation so thay may stay in their place for all Eternity!"

that qote is about black people saying thay sould still be slaves exc...

and sorra why dose it have to come to insults? cant we just have one civilized debate?


17:13:14 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

Where in the world did you find that awful quote about black people? There's no way that's in any bible cuz they didn't have the plantations back then. I don't get your point.


17:14:58 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

well there are a ton of racist KKK members that suply print like that day in and day out.


17:25:50 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

Yeah...so like...what was your point? That what you said was less racist than that? Well what you said wasn't violent but what you said came from the medieval times. It was a campaign by the catholics in germany to make people scared of Jewish people. They weren't secretive then and aren't now; it's a stereotype that never really disappeared. So0o0o0o, basically what you said was like if the kkk were in medieval times doing racist propaganda on wood carvings and you wholeheartedly believed it.

ps if anyone noticed, I frequently defend the Jewish PEOPLE as examples of how religious people oppress others, but it is not the Jewish RELIGION that I defend in any way. Palestine is a good example of why I wouldn't defend the Jewish religion either.


19:46:13 Dec 30th 07 - Sir Spoon:

Join Spoonism. Atheists, muslims, christians, they all need to shup.
Seriously, let everybody be, don't convert people to "the one true faith", don't tell people their believe is wrong. Aslong as religion (or anti-religion) is a major factor in a government things WILL go wrong.

Blablabla, I don't feel like making a long post =P


19:49:52 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

I have nuthing agensed the jews, and thay are vary secritive and keep to their self and that is why they were prosicuted. open a book it will agree with me im telling you


04:45:12 Dec 31st 07 - Duke Luta Mor:

Historically there was kind of a Jewish "faction" originating from ancient times, God's Chosen People.  (The faction seems to have done some pretty cruel things back then against its neighbors...)

However, I don't think there has really been a strong, unified Jewish "faction" for at least a thousand years... perhaps the secretive statement was once true, but nowdays I really don't think it still applies.


07:26:35 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

open a book it will agree with me im telling you

The only book I've seen which backs you up is Mein Kampf and those that explain where that nonsense came from, and I am quite familiar with books.


11:57:00 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Willem II:


Romus... i don't know which books you read but it doesn't seem to be a correct one. try reading some books without propaganda


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