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Is it just me that noticed that every one that has most kill on the hoh is elf .Is unfaire that the Archmages cost only 4k it should be a bit higher

Jalal you should know that you friends armie are being slaughtered by a elf

you agree with that something should be done about archmages

bump them up to 5 k each and it would be more adjusted.

Elf is deffently the most powerfull in the long run as it is now. and as they have magic protection, they dont need alot of MU's. witch make them have even better advantage them Orcs

shouldnt this be in the suggestion thread or something? Archmages arent completely the best i mean they are good but they can still be killed like everything else i think their price should maybe be raised to 5k but if you do that then also raise the price of Bezerkers to 7 or 8k it would even it out i think. But who are we kidding the real problem isnt with elves anyways its with Orcs and the price of nazzies which is a much bigger problem then elves zeta killed orcs.

It could be a suggestion, or someone just wants to discuss archmages.

i know and berserker only cost 6k and they have 35oop while and catapults cost 10k and have 40 oop just think  if you have 20k you can train 2 catapults if you are a human while trolls can train 3 berserkers lower the cost

agreed Mcmax

agreed Mcmax, Roheran, and Stewie(or is it his cousin? who knows)

Well thats just stupid way of playing. Pick the best race most suited to what you want to achieve. I hate people that come to me and say oooooo im gonna be dwarf cause ive always been that >< /KICK bye bye noob benefits of all races? you want every race to be exactly the same. Wow how fun that would be. You do realise elf SUCK completely all the way up to mid era?

i recon just raise the price 2 5k cause zerks r 6k but they r more powerful so i recon just add 1k onto the price

mmm well im playing elf now, and i reckon they sucks compared to my pretty humans, but thats just me :)

or do i just play human that much better O.o

Insane amount of OP for the price and Magic protection, I think 6k is a minimum :P

I played several races, including humans, elves and trolls and I know Elves have AMs for 4000 but remember they used to be 2600!

To be fair with this race we have to consider its mechanics.

• Elves get their Archmages later on in the era when they have their magic on level 7 or more
• Before that elves are barely a defensive or magic race
• Experienced elves never have to research mining cause they have to focus on Magic till level 9
• So Elven economy is really slow growing at the beginning of the game
• Elves are not able to get Military Science as well and so their troops take so much losses if they get into a battle
• For an elf to have a strong army they pay a lot of upkeep which cripples their economy later on.

• Humans have 10% more taxes, easily get mining and military sciences with Catapults new feature of destroying walls (Good economy, Cheap science but costly troops)
• Trolls have excellent troops and very cheap units with +1 attack on their magic units and they can get at least lvl 5 Military right away (Excellent troops and high kill rate)
• Dwarves have an overwhelmingly strong economy able to get a lot of science done in no time and (The best economy ever)
• Halflings have the cheapest troops ever in game, able to find lots of gold and sciences after winning battles (Great farming bonus, free science, invisible scouts)
• Orcs have the cheapest upkeep and fastest armies ever (1k Nazzies will sure move faster than 14.4k knights) with ability to panic train gaias with less than half the peasants needed. They are also able to get either military or mining sciences right away.

If you weren't being attacked by a strong enemy...and had time to save up those resources...and if your KD wasn't good enough to hold off the enemy without you...sure.  Otherwise...you get shafted and have to cut things short or else you are dead and sciences don't transfer after you restart :)

If you farm for several days you can get lvl 7 within a week. But it doesnt happen on the bigger worlds when action starts oop. This only happens in the lower worlds where oop times are longer and players are few and most of them are barely active.

Besides by that time Humans orcs, and Dwarves would have lvl 7-9 mining and lvl 5 military. Trolls would have lvl 6 military and 4 mining.
How will your army compete with those economies or military sciences?

Otherwise if you are an elf and being attacked or close to an enemy (specially trolls) there is no way you will get any science done in that short period. Like I said give it a try.

BS :P  Elves are in a different league than trolls, esp since trolls also have to build MUs, elves do not, but even without MUs, Elves still have 27 OP for 4k vs 35 OP for 6k

Demonslayer Charley Deallus IV Report 13:58:41 Aug 24th 09

agreed Mcmax, Roheran, and Stewie(or is it his cousin? who knows)

Im his sister...so please...

I wonder if any of you guys hwo posted here has done a calculation on just how much OP you get out of a Archmage with 10 magic. Its almost as cheap as spamming Tier 1 units.

yes you think its ez to get to magic lvl 9???
wel first of all it costs. like 40m gold and other resources.  and untill you have that u cant have mine schiense witch is alot of missed income or mil science and sotroops are pretty mutch useless for anything but defending a town..
i would say trolls and elf are about equal troll is stronger first half and elf (if he will sirvive the first half) is stronber the second half of the era.
 as if every elf has a huge kd to protect them... trolls have more advantage since they could ezely destroy elfes first half if the era. if they are smart enough to have mu's and magic protection..

 'as if every elf has a huge kd to protect them... trolls have more advantage since they could ezely destroy elfes first half if the era. if they are smart enough to have mu's and magic protection..'

Berserker = 171gp per attack point

Archer = 70 gp per defence point (usually counts double 'at home', since a Troll is unlikely to be able to shatter the walls of an Elf)

You aren't making any sense at all Mr Dread.

i'm an elf. i have 260K AM in talents alone and 50K more in training. however i say it's not easy getting there.

for me playing these race is awesome if and only if your KD will allow you to farm for your first days. i did farm until i was able to get 2M gold a tick (i think about 12 days).

If not 10 he has 9. So... :)

'math abbuser.// facts liar..'`

hahaha

Thanks for you response, I learned a lot.