great walls

great walls
14:22:12 Mar 17th 08 - Mr. Squiddy: Well for starters I think walls are good but they need some improvements. They need to be a LOT more expensive for starters, perhaps it could be on an increasing scale, like with city buildings. The more you have the more it costs. You could also include wall maintenance/upkeep to limit the amount of walls. They need to be repaired eh, they don't just rebuild themselves :P i think you should be able to attack and destroy walls too, if you have siege equipment cough humans cough and maybe nazzies too :P I don't know, play around with those ideas :P ALSO, how about two top worlds, one with walls, one without if no one can agree :P
01:48:03 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Daryl: This era has been more amazing without walls. With walls, the game is completly diferent, and there are not strategic cities as there are now. The figth for the control of the bridges, or blockers in general are much better!
02:18:07 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Kevdwayne: I agree Mr Daryl, the lack of walls has created a new strategy and made for faster and more fun game play. I hope the walls don't return.
13:27:39 Mar 18th 08 - Swedish Chef Brashen: I hope I never get to see the return of walls on Fantasia. Alot of players been complaining that without walls activity counts to much. Well personally im glad that it is that way but I dont want the game to become impossible for people with less time. So either Zeta could bring back the walls on some of the easier worlds or the people without so high activity should learn their boundaries and play on a easier world. No offense meant against anyone and I have lots of eras were I cant be so active and I would myself think about the possibility to play on a little less hectic world if I know im going to be busy RL. BUT NO WALLS ROCK THANK YOU ZETA!!!!
14:23:08 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Ftw: So activity people should be ranked higher than skilled people, some of the good players in VU are leaving because they cant be here all day and that essentially makes them play on the same level as nubs. Why not try and make activity less influential...i.e bring back walls but drop their wall bonus to like 20-25% max. Then you wont need 2X more than the wall to get 50%. You would only need. 1.2X the wall's merge to get 50%. This game is just gonna develop into a massive NAPfest if no walls continue. Legacy is a perfect example. Not warring Carnage,PKS,DB,Abydos. I'm not flaming legacy here so whichever ones want to react can sit back down now. It was an example of what is gonna happen.
14:45:43 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Dolfyn: I don`t think that is gonna be a NaPfest ... but choosing NaP partners very carefully will be more important then ever. True .. there is always the chance of NaP-ing everyone .. but that is the game. No walls make u grow in land very careful and not over-expand with no true defense. Examples at hand at every step. in this way ... havoc horde sound nice .. many members, enough to close enough land for a great power. but with no walls, the game play is total different from what was in the earlier eras. The finish not that much .. still the smartest farmer wins the HoH race... but during the era the farming possibilities are limited if u are struggling for survival and no NaP-fest from your side.
18:41:01 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Mcmax: --> Mr. Ftw.: If you want to "see" a very fast game, try Samu-games "Artifacts". Online, fast, some features, even big "shires/kingdoms" could be killed in say 3-4-5 hours....... THAT'S a game for the hyper-active. In other words: The speed in VU really do take care of "us", who have a living outside VU. Lack of walls have not changed that. It IS possible to use your skill - even if you do not have much time every day. But you need to "prepare" your movements - think what you do and where they (your armies) will be when you expect to be online next.... and where the others (enemy armies) could be then. I can tell you that for sure, because I have for several weeks had limited time myself 5 days a week. And this will get worse - the lack of time - during the spring (until medio June).
22:03:23 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Ftw: McMax, i have played Artifacts....yes, totally wiped in 1hour. VU takes care of people who are here 24/7 and those who can log on 3 times a day for like 8hrs of the day. But some people who log on once of twice a day for 4hrs total. All they can do is farm then hand their armies over to someone else to use to fight off intruders, and well...you cant stop someone in your core with a merge, so their armies are essentially useless that is, unless you have a player who buys BTs and can move merges fast....and before those who are waiting to pick me apart for that comment. I or DB have never done such a thing, I have not even mentioned it as an idea untill this point here publically. But i think that this game shouldn't be about buying BTs to make your less active members useful. Its just, ive noticed how slow my armies are moving and well i was thinking...i cud kill these boys off a hell of a lot quicker if i had BTs to catch them. Do we really want all our skilled players going to lower worlds when they arent active enough to play? Fantasia is gonna be one small sized world if we do. Would it not be better to find a compromise that doesnt make activity the be all and end all of how to play VU, or else Fantasia will be a large map with a small number of players. And what will happen with these large gaps between kingdoms? They will farm more. The next step to correct that will be that people ask for the map of Fantasia to be shrunk down more, which will make it more fierce and activity will mean more....then less people will play there, and the vicious cycle will continue. It may even begin on the lower worlds if the good, less active players go over there. I just think its gonna have a bad effect on the game
22:23:46 Mar 18th 08 - Swedish Chef Brashen: All those things might come true so I totally respect your point of view. But lets face it there are lots of people not that good on fantasia and it is after all meant to be the elite world. And if this would be the case there would not be any shame for good players to play on the #2 world. But the #1 would mean even more as a challenge were people go up to test their skills against the elite. Though a Map with to few kd´s on it would be boring. But personally I rather have a active map without walls with less players instead of the eras when all that matters is which kd can ssppaamm the biggest merges. Like it is now the individual player can influence the outcome of a war much more then before when it most of the time were just a matter of number of members in the kingdom. Its just to darn boring to sit and ssppaamm troops for weeks to take or protect a wall, I really like how the game opened up now.(and no I never bought a single BT) ssppaamm= because It becomes beep if I spell it normaly
22:40:47 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Ftw: I havent bought any either. But my god the temptation is there when you have a large army capable of damaging the enemy and you have 2 KDs with 30+ players flooding your core. I guess diplomacy is gonna play a huge part in the game from now on. There will be no more taking on 2 good kingdoms simultaneously. It will have to become Kingdom A fights Kingdom B and naps/cf Kingdoms C,D,E &F and Vice Versa Then C fights D and naps/cf etc etc Making it fair 1 vs 1s or 2 vs 2s. If a kingdom doesnt acheive this then they run a huge risk of being the gang banged KD or pair of KDs.
22:45:14 Mar 18th 08 - Lady Quietone: I agree but the point then becomes if you know going into an era you cant nap every kingdom to fight one and you know they are all MAP'd or allied then you know you'll get gangbanged and it's almost pointless for you to play. I've said forever, you can be the best kingdom out there but you cant beat numbers. Walls in any capacity even nerfed walls provided some support against multiple kingdom wars but without them it's hopeless. Especially when you're fighting huge kindgoms like pks and carnage who can throw 64 people's troops at you from every direction. Or, build in your area and suddenly cancel relations once they feel they have enough troops in your area to kill you, which would never happen with walls at all, they wouldnt have that opportunity.
22:48:34 Mar 18th 08 - Swedish Chef Brashen: Well I personally would like a era tournament style. just two kd´s on a small map 1vs1 with same amount of players. Then all the kd´s in fantasia meets each other and the winner is the one with most wins on shortest time. But its more fun if wars are 1vs1 anyhow to bad it wont happen in the game since people will just match up and beat the crap out of the strongest one. Maybe if all kd´s agreed to just fight 1vs1 wars and Gangbang anyone who use allies.
22:50:22 Mar 18th 08 - Swedish Chef Brashen: Quit and FTW can you two stop posting wile im writing a reply to the other person you two are stressing me out :P
22:50:29 Mar 18th 08 - Mr. Ftw: omg that wud be excellent, but never gonna happen. I wud so be up for that.....wud show who was really the best and btw no i wont lol think of yourself as DB. And quiet and I are carnage and PKS. and each post is a 500k army u gotta try and deal with =D
22:51:33 Mar 18th 08 - Swedish Chef Brashen: lol
22:53:48 Mar 18th 08 - Lady Quietone: lol that tournament style would be fun Brash :) put it in suggestions!
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