Never. We are going to take over the map then just sit there so our victory last forever! Mwahahahahah 

Ohhh. I see your point Osiris..


Now if I offer you a wheelchair with gears and stuff. And promised that BL will never get anytihing more but a common  rollator - without any fancy stuff.............

And Stewie becomes Archbishop of this age (only)..... Have I forgotten any importany about our enemy(s)??????


I think that is an offer no normal player can refuse :big-grin:

Ladies, no need for a cat fight. put away those claws

Information to the all on Matrax.


You (4/9/2017 7:42:03 PM) Info from our counsilmeeting. Message sent to all members of RoC:



You (4/9/2017 7:39:29 PM)
Our co-founder Panic will be kicked now. Not for good, but because he holds too many ressources by now, that we don't want our enemy takes control over. We do not know if he comes online this age again, but we can't afford the risk if he doesn't.

Due to our politic - RoC has been and will allways be - a honorable Kingdom..... no member is allowed to take any of his cities, nor may they plunder them. We will loose lots of ressources, but that is the way it has to be.

His cities will be B&D as soon as we can.

I'll message our ally about our decision. They will not be allowed to take any city for free either.



May all our goods be with us. no-one mentioned and no-one forgotten.

On behalf of the leadership of RoC
/McMax



Panic had been offline for 15 days. He controlled 2 blockers with GT/MT/Walls only. Those blockers has been taken by members, who got a special order for that.

Destruction of the productioncities is close to be completed. Last city will be burned down during the day.

id     Name             Open     Arma.     Size     Map     Settle (Days)     Players    Alive     XP
2    * Mantrax        Open    T-157h    50002    vuQ    47                      1957           3%  

Is this the right point in the era for the alliances to start warring each other? It's always so hard to know ;)

Dont call us and Mormont an alliance. We are not an alliance, we have a ceasefire agreement that has held because ROC and Ferox have an alliance. 

Our agreement only exists because we couldn't afford the gangbang you took Elsin. we couldnt fight both mormont and your kingdom at the same time. Some of us even suggested it but looking the other way we seen that ROC had an alliance. But yes I agree we look like an alliance, plus due to arma there is no point in giving them the cf notice also. Since FW was the only reason we had any relations. 

"But yes I agree we look like an alliance"

"are an alliance"

"But, not every KD is filled with people like you"

Not even FW is. A handful of active players with some low activity/dead/inactive. Regularly outnumbered by every kingdom on Mant.

You guys have literally solidified yourselves as the dominated Mantrax KD

I agree, we are regularly dominated by other kingdoms

"its a fear of being steam rolled by FW"

Your scared of 4? people though. Is that a rational fear?

"do you honestly expect everyone to not nap and have the game rerun every era? "

It's done fairly well  (on Mant) in the past ^^
Do the people mass NAP'ing expect to get better at VU if they don't challenge themselves?



ps - DB NAPers sux too :)

"I agree, we are regularly dominated by other kingdoms"

That was obviously ment to say "Dominant KD" not Dominated lol and you have solidified your selves there, 29 of the 49 eras are won by FW.

"59% "success rate" (with more players than we have these days). Scary good we are... Slightly better than a coin flip... ^^"
Intesting...

"thats one dodgy coin."

Yes it is. The boogeymen your so scared of only gain FW a lousy 9%

"No it just proves you CAN be beaten"

Almost 50% of the time, yes.

"By learning the game and its mechanic thus being able to use said knowledge to your advantage?"
"What does being in an alliance change about your learning experience? Alliances can win and they can lose the only diffrence is, You have another KD working with you"

yes, and how do they learn?
By sitting behind their blocker farming armies?
Sitting behind their blocker behind their allies blocker farming armies to point and launch when they reach horde level?

Most of the time alliances end up using their ally as a buffer, buying time for them to farm up said hordes. Great learning experience :)

Guess the first "Yep" should be a "No"?????

Agree about town feeding, but it is still allowed for a true bastard who gives a sh.t.

20 eras in Mantrax, not taking into consideration Collective, almost all eras were won by FW (think its only 2 other eras when AoA or Ferox won).

And not taking FW into consideration 50% of eras were won by Collective...  O.o
Why would you remove Collective? You were a/the big kingdom for most of those eras.

4 collective, 1 Ferox, 2 Army of Anubis, 1 Omerta, 12 FW = 60% to FW - hmmmm. Consistently middle of the road :)

"You are a group that do not do NAPs or does not recruit"

We don't auto-accept random people no and we don't go looking for random untagged players. It's your opinion that we wont accept new people and that not doing this is "bullying"

"for about four-five eras in row I would start in some small kd, or tagless"

Instead of an established or major kingdom. Yep. Probably going to end up getting killed.

"you have to accept that you will be a target by all other kingdoms every era."

Is this even in question? Almost every era for the last 49 eras.

"bunch of us got together and formed a kingdom"

You weren't doing well solo or in micro-kingdoms, so you made a bigger kingdom and got organised -
Next step is to wean off the NAPs and start challenging yourselves (which is the point of all this talky talk)  :D

What can you actually learn when your strategy is "FW looks hairy scary, better NAP more people?" If that's how you choose to play, FW is always going to be scary and nothing will ever change :D

We have limited vision over the map, but all the closed gates cities that FW owned are now owned by WSS... So how is Blah still 1st on the highscores? Does he still own many cities?

You guys are all talking like any kingdom other than Ferox is even worth mentioning.

Great fight RoC, you guys had some insane armies. 

"I do find it interesting how kingdoms feel they can impose their play style upon other kingdoms.

That's Real world diplomacy. Yes it is interesting, but hardly surprising.

People join/create kingdoms to play a certain way usually,

If your kingdom is playing on a map by yourself do what you like, but here you're a global VU citizen. If your kingdom does the VU equivalent of launching test missiles over Japan, some "lefty whinger" is going to complain.

Congratulations to Blah of Forgotten Warriors for the individual win, well done! 

INITIATE TL / DR POSTING

The blessings and curse of an experienced, veteran kingdom:

Blessings:

1) Many (if not most) of the active, experienced, intelligent and cooperative players want to join you.

2) You function well as a team. You function well in the short-term, in the medium-term and in the long-term.

3) Solo players, small kingdoms, and large but poorly managed and non-cooperative kingdoms are easy pickings (heck, feeder material!).

4) Some eras where you just completely steam-roll through the map with minimal resistance. You are the pigeon that shits on every statute in the map.

5) Highest potential for total domination. You can get both strongest player AND strongest kingdom instead of having to share the honours.

Curse:

1) Because you are so stacked, you become enemy numero uno in the eyes of everyone else.

2) Only way to deal with you is to work with you, get out of your way, or play coalition politics to fight you.

3) Other players will prioritize own survival when facing you rather than abstract notions of honour, glory, and "learning how to play the game properly".

4) Some eras, almost the whole map allies up and achieves just one accomplishment - beating you up. The tables are turn, and you become the statute that the rest of the pigeons in the map shat on.

5) Some eras, some folks take things or certain actions even further than mere "allying up" in order to take you down and win the era. And there is almost nothing you can do about it.

6) With the state of VU as it is, you will moan the fact that there will never be any decent competition anymore. The eras where there are 5 or 6 (or even 10 or 12) similarly sized, similarly stacked, similarly active kingdoms unleashing a beautiful and chaotic storm of wars in an era is over.

So how should a person playing in such a kingdom deal with such a situation? Well, if you are a veteran of many many eras like Elsin, you will know that, like yin and yang, like the sun in the day and the moon in the night, like the cycles of the seasons, like the rise and fall of the tides, there will always be some days when you are the pigeon, and some days when you are the statute. The best way to deal with it is to develop a happy constant in such cycles, and for me, my key happy constant is that whether I am part of a team that goes all power-overwhelming on the map, or part of a team that the whole map decides to work together to take a dump on, I am playing with friends that I really value and am happy to be with. The opinions of others do not matter much anymore.

And of course, just remember, you don't always win all the time. Alex Ferguson had seasons where he didn't get a single trophy. Michael Jordan has lost games and missed last minute shots before. The New England Patriots do not win all the time. Even the Chicago Cubs win the championship once every 120 years. Dark Blood (and its various iterations), despite being the self-professed greatest-VU-kingdom-of-all-time, got thumped every now and then by some dude named TBL.

And as such, so Legacy and its Forgotten Warriors will win sometimes and lose sometimes too.... :P

"Agreed but as in the real world doesn't mean that everyone has to listen."

Absolutely not. They can continue with their nuclear program, but it doesn't mean people shouldn't try to make their map a better place. It's important to point out corruption (town swapping) wherever it occurs :D

"your're comparing your kingdom to a lefty whinger"

Well we're definitely not a right leaning kingdom.

"Congratulations to Blah of Forgotten Warriors for the individual win, well done!"

You spoke too soon. No one beats an elf with "donated" 200k. (although my army op has reached a point where it might)

crybaby? This is a great result for us. FW was supposed to be dead three weeks ago.

Besides. Why wouldn't I take every opportunity to give you a kick over blatant town feeding? You've earned it :)

hey my knights are not fat ! they have big bones:D

I just wanted to show you guys my army, I was never going to make it ontime anyways lol. But If I wanted to attack that arma city, which I dont. I would have come with this army that your seeing a long time ago. Dont be so mean guys its all fun and games.