Forums / In game politics / You don´t deserve it Virgin

Mr. Andrei The Impaler 3/22/2007 6:34:19 PM	Post in this thread if you think that Virgin is a false era winner or if you agree that V spoiled everyones fun.Or just post here to insult me and tell me what a retarded **** I am .I REALLY DON'T CARE ANYMORE!
Mr. Auspex 3/22/2007 6:47:12 PM	Wow you're taking a game way too seriously dude.
Mr. Brashen 3/22/2007 7:02:43 PM	"Ohh let me quote myself from the congrats thread. ts bad enough that its era of Virgin but era of Virgins that would probleby leave most of us players out, damn but I probleby not qualified to play a era called that since before Internet. And Virgin sorry but ill not give you eny more congrats then I gave to S:t Paul when he won his ERA the reasons are totally different this time but its been said before and ill gladly say it again ITS A BLOODY WAR GAME!!!!! So for you who just want to build things and then avoid war go play SIM CITY!!!!!!." Auspex if you dont take this serius enyway wich you proved time and time again why not do us all a favor and go and follow my advise above and remove yourself from the game so we dont have to see you messing it up for us others who actually like to play it in the way its supposed.
Mr. Auspex 3/22/2007 7:06:57 PM	I could say it's Visual "Utopia". Maybe Zeta intends for it to be a peaceful game? Certainly if we couldn't war, KDs would have taken all our easy Dwarf buildings Utopia - ideal and perfect state: an ideal and perfect place or state where everyone lives in harmony and everything is for the best
Sir Falazar 3/22/2007 7:08:47 PM	UHm, I am more than willing to play with a world of Virgins, I wouldnt complain much at all really  :} Fresh meat in both senses.
Mr. Andrei The Impaler 3/22/2007 7:31:06 PM	Then go play that world,but for god's sake,don't say the player who was first on day 200 something won the era,cause that is just LAME.That is the perfect word for the whoring Vendetta: LAMERS!!
Sir Crom 3/22/2007 7:33:01 PM	thats the impaled ,allways out to make friends =)
Mr. Andrei The Impaler 3/22/2007 7:36:31 PM	And btw my nick is after the Vallachian King "Vlad the Impaler".He used to impale his enemies,the turks. by shoving a big stick up their ass and slowing penetrating them to death.THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO THE LAMERS.for more info,click here.

I think this thread will probably be deleted aswell...but thank you anyhow,Brashen :)

And I was just having fun.....BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to see everyone is having fun :)

I have a certain question though :

Do you personally know Virgin to blame him for winning the era? Can you say he hasn't played a good game this era or doesn't have the skill needed to win an era?

Has he won it by illicit maneuvers? We don't know, couldn't we just give him a hug and say "Congratz dear, come sleep with me!"?

Here we go again... -sigh-

Didnt deserve it..

^^

Maybe in the era he was in Serenity.. yes but now, NO

Hehe, Virgin was in IE the era he was in Serinity ^^

Mr. Doompillz 3/23/2007 10:03:34 AM

lol the skill to win this era? what skill? whoring and training some armies, having no fight get feeded to cast arma and end it after it not really has started?# what skill u need for that? omg go play tetris

oh man you should shut up and be happy they v disbands,we all know it now, the era was to short v did pump and and and but you (lgc)would have been wiped out of the map if the era would have continued.We all know you of lgc could be the "absolute elite",but take a look at yourself and you folks abused what was to abuse so there is realy no need to point fingers again and again!Somehow you are very simple,narrow minded folks :(

what's the fuss about an era ending so early.  I remember Legacy ended one era early also and what was your thought about that?

If there's something to blame, blame the game for having mechanics that lets you end an era early

(Edited by Mr. Plastic Surgeon 3/24/2007 2:47:57 PM)

Virgin = Virgin when he was in serenity..

Then he became alot of names, Mugatu was 1 of em.

Not sure if its the same Virgin..

I meant like 5 or 6 eras back, the 1 that draiken won.. with some kind amiracle, 1 city and a HoH army (lots of experience).

Anyways this was a bad era for V, they proved they aint willing to fight a whole era instead ending it soon.

Plastic: The era after Hansel won? You're talking of the era of Juchi, then?

Yeah, I remember that era. The round started on the 18th of October, and finished on the 17th of November, which is over 4 weeks of game play.

So how is 4 weeks of game play even remotely comparable to this round, which had just over 1 weeks of game play when arma was cast?

(Edited by Mr. Larry Loverod 3/25/2007 9:01:13 PM)

End scores don't reflect comparisons between rounds well, because the formula for round scores change on a regular basis (i.e, army base, experience base, land base, they all have had priority at one time or another). Take for example the era of Draiken, where Saint Paul finished with a score of 136m.

Andrei, Brashen and all the others who biatch about "whoring".  Have you ever stopped to read the OFFICIAL description of the game?  If not, you can find a link to it in the new player Guide:

Author

Message

VU Admin 11/28/2005 11:05:40 PM

Visual Utopia is a fantasy web game played in your browser. It has an advanced map based on asp and javascript, so you do not need any plugins or downloads to play it! The goal of the game is to grow an empire stronger then everyone else’s, using strategy and politics. You can explore and create new colonies or train armies that you can use to take over colonies by force. Depending on the terrain, the colonies will produce resources that you can trade on the market or use for constructing and training of troops.

Note, a game of STRATEGY AND POLITICS.

Now, unless your nickname is Dubya, there is a hell of a lot more to both strategy and politics than war.  In fact, Zeta specifically mentions a couple of them - exploring and creating new colonies. 

Nowhere in anything the VU Gods have written is VU described as a "War Game" because it isn't.  It's a game of strategy and politics.  If you find any strategy that wins you an era, then you deserve it.

So, well done Virgin, and Vendetta, for a successful strategy last era :)

(Edited by Mr. Donut 3/26/2007 12:37:49 AM)

This is the most convincing argument yet.

No comment.

I agree with Donut's post.

So, well done Virgin, and Vendetta, for a successful strategy last era :)

Hey It's a draw, all kds in top ten can be considered winners, no one clearly dominated this era!!!!!!!

Larry, you can't really say the game is focussed that way.  Plenty of people have demonstrated over the eras that if (and it's a big if) you manage to farm all era without interruption, you can get a very high score.

War is just one of the things that the game makes available - what "focuses" it towards war is the inclination of the players to play it that way.  The war element only comes about because Player One sees Player Two's town and decides he wants to take it rather than building his own, then Player Three jumps in to help Player Two by punching Player One, and so on.

Maybe, for all the role-play elements, it's not so different from rl after all ;)

i do not understand what this is all about i beleieve because you didnt have fun you should ruin it for everyone else?? auspex got very strong right away casted armageddon and new era..... if you do not like how the game is being run then dont play. dont complain because you coulnt do so well.

GRATS AUSPEX FOR ARMA AND GRATS VIRGIN FOR MOST POWERFUL RULER!!

If Vendetta and Virgin in it are such farmers, then it could not be difficult to destroy their arma town. SO people, if you don't like it, don't whine but do something.

o plz, virgin is a great player, this era and last. stop cryining about the fact that you didnt win

Uhhh... hmm...

I read so really old threads on the bottom of the forums?

I'm sure lots of people remember that far back, it's not like when you're born and you don't remember your childhood.

Bobson: If you consider your "true foes" a bunch fo scattered, miniscule kingdoms that had moved over from mantrax onto fantasia that era, and if you consider beating them some is great feat, then I really do feel for you.

Nobody wants to congratulate a kingdom that doesn't deserve it. The majority of veterans who have seen real wars, and real era winners, agree that your win was a shallow, if not non-existant one. It isn't we aren't "adults", it isn't we can't admit defeat -- we've all been defeated at one point or another and admitted it, but nobody considers V to be a good kingdom.

Try take on the likes of LGC (no, removing a handful of armouries LGC had outside your core, that they couldn't fill with peasants from their mines nearby, unlike you, doesn't constitute a victory. Getting into the LGC core and destroying LGC, which you didn't, does), or MAD, or Abydos, or PHI, or Carnage, take on well established, warring kingdoms like them, then you can have your "victory". But you didn't, you got into a fight with LGC you knew you couldn't win, then casted arma and ended the round, furthering the doubts in peoples minds about V.

Bobs, I thought I was sticking up for V as well, but in case I wasn't clear enough.....

HH, the game is about having the strongest empire, when the era ends, by whatever tactics that takes. 

If you're so narrow minded that the only way you can understand to do that is to be big and tough and make everyone in the playground run away from you, then you obviously won't understand that what V did was:

1)  within the rules,
2) didn't involve any abuses or "dishonourable" play,
3) resulted in them winning the era. 

That makes it a good win within the letter, and spirit, of the game. 

The fact they chose a different route to it than you would simply shows that they have more imagination than you :)

Mr Hungrier Horse, let try to see some things clearly here.

1. The strongest kd we had near our core was Carnage. We Napped them. Now can you call that a bad strategy? Should we have fought them to get wome recognition? And a recognition as what? As successful warmongers? We prefer to be good strategists.

2. LGC was set up in the other part of the map. Trying to attack them would be pointless. Until our armies got there, they would be too weak. If we made an armoury setup near their core, we would also be defeated. Do you agree with that? So that would also be a bad strategy on our account.

3. LGC with all their arrogance tried to make such an armoury setup near our core, thinking they would intimidate us. Don't get me wrong, they're very good, the best kd in fantasia, but they went off their limits trying to do that. So thats bad strategy on their account, am I correct?

4. After having beaten the LGC armouries, we didn't have any worthy foes in our area. Should we have continued Arma would only lead us fight some very weaker kd's. Would THAT be an honourable act from us? I don't think so. We believed the era was pretty much decided on 100-51-34 and no other kingdom could claim to be any stronger than us. So the era was over already for us. That's why we stopped Arma.

5. The era was decided in the first two or three days, when we developed so much faster than onlyU and we took all their cities in our area. It's as simple as that. Their cities gave us a big headstart and we got #1 from then on without any threat.

These are the facts. Now, if anyone considers winning a war heavier than a winning strategy, let him go play an FPS instead of this ...

(Edited by Mr. Androgeos 3/28/2007 6:46:11 PM)

...in our area

...in our area

...in our area!

Learn to read, please! All these kd's were in the other edge of the map. The only ones around us were Carnage (napped), PKS (napped), Dorian (10%  of our power) and Abydos (two map tiles away - around 30% of our power).

now having good economy is whoring....having a good army is whoring... fighting is whoring... i love this... no comment