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All hail north korea!
07:21:28 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Necromancer:


Lets salut them with a song!

http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/47/32/67/Korea.swf


11:31:35 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Ghouma:

When countries liek Israel can have nuclear weapons, North korea might aswell have them.


11:43:34 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Fordius:

Bleh come on ..

countries as Israel would never use a nuke ( cause of the western nations )
but NK would have a higher risk of using as they don't even listen to there only allies like CHINA or something :P

and besides ain't that country starving ( the peasents ?? ) and than you experiment with nukes what cost allot of cash ?

come on be realistic :p


12:22:54 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Love:

The only reason the started making war was because G.W. Bush decided they where part of the "axis of evil". Before that negotiations with North Korea was going good and a deal was made that ensured that they would never make Nuclear weapons.

But of course if you want to ruin everything that your predecessor made just to make an enemy for the next president i guess G.W. Bush made a good job.


12:48:44 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Foghorn Leghorn:

Dont talk of which you dont know. N. Korea has had nukes, or the ablitiy to enrich uranium for over a decade now. I know Bush is a simpleton, but do go blaming all the worlds problems on him.

Ghouma that was a retarded statement, huge difference between Israel, and Korea.


12:53:44 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Love:

"Dont talk of which you dont know. N. Korea has had nukes, or the ablitiy to enrich uranium for over a decade now. I know Bush is a simpleton, but do go blaming all the worlds problems on him."

Please please! Do not start flaming!
Yes North Korea has had the ability of producing Nuclear Weapons for over a decade. But nothing good would come to them if they did. Clinton made a deal, food vs no nukes, we are friends, all is fine. George Bush stated that North Korea was the enemy of the United States.

Kim Jong Il: Well we are just a stupid small country that would loose bigtime if invaded. Lets get thoose nukes!

I would had done the same! And i do not blame G.W. Bu*beep* was not his idea to say thoose things, he has got a hole staff of people briefing him what to do.

(Edited by Mr. Love 10/10/2006 12:54:28 PM)


13:09:46 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Necromancer:

I'm not in any way defending N Koreas right to arm themselves with nucular weaponry, but I really can't see how N Korea would be more likely to use them as opposed to Israel. N Korea has never started a war, they have a stable(yet fascistic) isolationistic regime. N Korea are also confined by the balance of terror as they would suffer the same fate tenfold if they decided to launch a bomb. And who would they nuke?? Their brothers and sisters in S Korea? What kind of liberation is that? The Japaneese, Chineese or Russians? Why?

Israel on the other hand has got both targets, reasons and guts. If they decided to nuke a neighbouring country nobody is going to punish them - atleast not with violence. Isreal has got the means and a jingoistic ideology that justifies all their acts of violence.

(Edited by Mr. Necromancer 10/10/2006 1:10:17 PM)


13:33:57 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

Love?

I would had done the same! And i do not blame G.W. Bu*beep* was not his idea to say thoose things, he has got a hole staff of people briefing him what to do.

(Edited by Mr. Love 10/10/2006 12:54:28 PM)

 

that staff would porbably exist out of election campaign and buisiness mangers

USA pays Bush 400.000 dollar a year he could make hundreds of millions from weapon compeny's if North Koreas has em what do you think the south will do and who will ''help'' them?


14:03:07 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Woopie:

I think Bush will attack North-Korea in the future if he's again leader of USA

Bush wants war, and if he wants it then he get's in


14:03:47 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Boagrius:

Administration hawks suggested last week that perhaps the best thing would be for the North to test, so the world would know exactly what it was dealing with. -NY Times

This test couldnt have come at a better time for GW Bush. Now some of the focus on his senator/pedo/*beep* scandal is changed, just before the midterm elections. Maybe thats why Bush has been so lenient towards North Korea in the last few years.


14:17:16 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Foghorn Leghorn:

That wasnt a flame my friend, If you cant handle sarcasm then dont post.

Food for No nuke program was a huge failure, since N. Korea was enriching uranium anyway. Its takes decades to enrich enough for a bomb.

Necromancer, N. Korea is as stable a regime as in Iraq. Their is nothing stable about Kim in any way shape or form. The guy has a group of 12-16 yr old sex slaves that travel with him. Not to mention all the other sick twisted perverted crap he does to "HIS" people. He is one of the worlds largest suppliers of weapons to terrorists, so allowing him anything more than a Q tip is dangerous for us all.

If you dont think Israel has a bomb or 2 sitting in there country your sadly mistaken, we put them there. Israel is the most responsible nation in that part of the world. They have every right to justify there actions, and they will have to fight off the fanatics for centuries to come.

BTW, Thankfully Bush can not be leader of the US again, although Im gonna miss all the comedy from him, lol.

(Edited by Mr. Foghorn Leghorn 10/10/2006 2:18:20 PM)


14:28:00 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

WTF Froghorn how can you be so narrow minded?

I wonder if you every knew a foreigner/muslim or ever been to the north?


14:32:58 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

The only muslims/communists u know are the ones you seen to see with ak's in theiyr hands and you hear and see  all those bad things about em your whole life.  if you cant see the diffrence between the reality and the narrow world you live in I gues there is nothing anyone can say or do that show you the things outside it.


(Edited by Mr. Dreadlord 10/10/2006 2:34:45 PM)


14:34:16 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Oya:

the problem i have with all of this is, north korea have been allowed to continue these things without any real problems, more than any thing they've had empty threats throwen at them, and have obviously not taken them seriously and arent intimidated by other countries, no matter the lack of so called power they have.

Yet in all of this the so called free world, will invade countries like iraq, which include japan as apart of the coallition (who have n korea as a neighbour)....when they had no evidence of weopanry of that kind at all sure hussien tortured people and im not justifying that in any way but the invasion caused a stable country fall into anarchy and split it into 3 with opposing groups sunnis,shiets etc... and for what? there are far more terrible things happening in places like buhma, n korea, china india/pakistan africa.....i suppose those countries and regions arent worth the effort, half are made of jungles and the other waste land.....


(Edited by Mr. Oya 10/10/2006 2:35:33 PM)

14:37:20 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Foghorn Leghorn:

Dreadlord did I point out muslims? No, I said fanatics, and just like evry religon, thers fanatics in all of them. Its just the muslim fanatics take it to a whole new level.

So you cant say im being narrow minded in anyway.


14:41:58 Oct 10th 06 - Sir Juchi:


NOrth Korea did start a war, 1950, invaded south Korea.

They have a nuke now but it seem their technology is going backwards. their 3 stage rocket failed miserably and a 1/2 to 1 kiloton nuke?

why bother


14:42:12 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

Yes many muslims kill for their feelings and fellow muslims (also duty of religion as the interpetations of the koran since the crusades)

Instead of killing for money

I dint call you narrowminded becouse of that. 


14:43:35 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

Juchi

the nuclear boms owned by the US and Russia are up to 50x as strong


14:45:25 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

my problem is not that north korea should deffinatly have them

its jsut that why people only talk about that and the tv tries to scare everyone with it while nothing is said about any other country'a with wepons.


14:49:50 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Oya:

the media has that way on people because it focus's on one point and emphasises it, thus producing fear.


14:54:41 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Hyde:

I would rather worry about a single Freaky Lab Prof going crazy and unleashing a deadly new virus over the world cuz his wife *beep*ed someone else.....


14:55:00 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Foghorn Leghorn:

In one way your right Oya, but look at it this way. eveytime the US tries to step in and help we get scolded by the rest of the world for policing the world. When we dont do enough we are biggots.

We dont these countries that cry foul step up and help? I dont see France, germany, any EU country in Sudan, Da faur or any region that could really use the help.

Its a huge double standard.


15:02:27 Oct 10th 06 - Sir Juchi:


I know Dreadlord that us and russian bombs are stronger, 50x is an extremely low estimate.  Point being why would you want a miserable 1/2-1 kiloton, hugely overweight bomb, deliverable only with a freight train?  Knowing that when you detonate it you get to look at somewhere up to 6000 real nukes looking you in the eye.

It is only a threat if it is of close to equal military might, and if you can deliver it.


15:46:38 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Ghouma:

First off, well said necromancer (#7).

North korea did not invade soth korea in the way you think Juchi, keep in mind that the south was governed by a facist dictator that the US had put in power.

Foghorn, that Kim Jong Ill travels with sex slaves is probably just lies, please post a source wich isnt fox news or washington times. I read in the Economist the other day that Kim Jong ill was a intelligent man, hardly the nutcase media portraits him as.

As for israel, the most valid comparison to their domestic politics would be Apartheid south africa. And to their foregin politics Nazi Germany, Israel also seem to fight for "lebensraum". We saw how "responsible" they are this summer when they went to war on Lebanon. And this little nation is to have nukes without sanctions...


15:56:09 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Boagrius:

eveytime the US tries to step in and help we get scolded by the rest of the world for policing the world. When we dont do enough we are biggots.

This sounds interesting. What countries are there that the US stepped in to "help" again?


15:57:17 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Ghouma:

Foghorn, when did the US ever invade a country to help them? Name me some nice examples...

Im not gonna say that the european countires are better, we are not. We help USA in Afghanistan, some in iraq. France have their armys running around in africa doing coup d'états with the forgein legion. Germany had a large part in splitting Jugoslavia and so on.

The worst thing humans have done is Imperialism, and it is clearly not over.

*Edit, and please dont make me sick and try to justify American actions just because europeans are bad aswell.

(Edited by Mr. Ghouma 10/10/2006 4:00:49 PM)


16:18:11 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Oya:

Foghorn Leghorn, the fact that you dont see EU countries doing anything doesnt mean they arent, infact a huge % of aid and diplomacy comes from europe....we have been in so many wars as countries for well over a thousand years and even though our people today didnt experience much of that the countries societies have learned from it. most european countries, apart from mine UK (with our current goverment) have become much more socialist in there views and choose diplomacy with the actual leaders of the countries involved or sending huge quantities of aid to countries that need it, i agree this is not enough.....but just because the USA has a big mouth and proclaims this and that, doesnt mean others arent getting involved in some cases more so.


16:30:45 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Hyde:

The difference is that everywhere USA is ASKED to help, they dont do *beep*. And everywhere we dont think its necessary to mess, they start a war with europe as shield and in the end it turns out it was for oil, money or putting people in power (south corea) that give the US an option to meddle far away from their homeland.

The difference is were trying to help with money and food, USA just bombs the whole country.

The difference is the US calls europe old fashioned but they forget theyre just a bunch of Ex-Brits, Ex-French and Ex-Germans that came in with the Mayflower. Exactly the ones they like to joke about.


17:08:05 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Femalebodyinspector:

"Foghorn, when did the US ever invade a country to help them? Name me some nice examples..."

Allow me...

France (x2) , Belgium, Italy, Austria, Germany, Phillipenes (sp?) and many others than I care to count.

Technically we had to invade all of said countries to get those that invaded them in the first place out.

Wonder what would've happened in WW2 if the US didn't do anything.


17:24:50 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Hyde:

Take out the WW2 ones and theres not much left. And in WW2 - USA was not needed. Europe won the war faster with USA but in the end Russia would have broken the german military and would have taken over germany. THATS why USA meddled - they didnt want to help they just didnt want russians expand their power into western europe. As if they would care for us.


17:27:38 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Love:

Allow me...

"France (x2) , Belgium, Italy, Austria, Germany, Phillipenes (sp?) and many others than I care to count."

France times 2? Which 2 times? Phillipenes where never a country until the US came along. On the other hand the US annexed Hawaii.

"Technically we had to invade all of said countries to get those that invaded them in the first place out."

So the US never really invaded a sovreign country to liberate them?

"Wonder what would've happened in WW2 if the US didn't do anything."

You mean if Japan and Germany never took the step to declare war on the United States?


19:10:12 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Dreadlord:

Nations always help themselves (as exaple US) Becouse US won the war from the Axis we belive they 'saved us' but if Axis would win we would probably think they 'saved us'.

 

 

 


19:11:52 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Necromancer:

"Israel is the most responsible nation in that part of the world."

You are correct. They are responsible for the violence in the middle east.


19:36:12 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Oya:

"Wonder what would've happened in WW2 if the US didn't do anything."

Britian (with her empire) and Russia would have still been victorious, and China would have got its ass into gear eventually and punished japan.....america merely sped up the enevitable.

19:47:58 Oct 10th 06 - Sir Juchi:


The difference is that everywhere USA is ASKED to help, they dont do *beep*.    ????

who do you think was the major carrior of aid in backwoods pakistan after last ye*beep*arthquake?

Or the tsunami in jakarta?

Or for that matter who is also been a major supplier of food in North Korea, without with bunches of dead people

Does not matter ghouma,  the north did invade the south.


Ofc i think bush is the ultimate dolt and us foreighn policy in shambles, but you do have to give the us some credit.


19:55:39 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Ghouma:

To be fair, when you say USA is a suplier of food, its not be nice the USA gives poor countries food. They dump their abundance at poor countries even though its devastating to the nations own agriculture. Countries with a serious aid policy (read most nrthen/western european nations) help the nations develop their own agriculture, but that is costly and does not profit companies. That is a huge difference between USA and Europe.

If you look at how much USA have given in aid per capita and compare it to northen/west Europe you wont find your efforts very immpressive.

* (edit) It can be worth considering that america is a nation where 45% of its population belive the earth is less then 10.000 years old. When people belive that, what wont they buy from the president and the media ;)

(Edited by Mr. Ghouma 10/10/2006 7:58:48 PM)


20:38:27 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Smuff:

north korea wount be so stupid to lauch a nuke, they would get the *beep* kick outta them even befor it hit the ground. they have just the same right to have nuclear tech as anyone else. israil has killed more civilians over the last decade than anyother pro westan or muslim state,and yet you dont get people throwing a hissy fit everytime they drop a cluster bomb on some poor lebaines or pakistani women and children.

oh and for any of you who will enevitably say that all i just sed i *beep*, its an opinion not a factual statement

and ghouma is right the usa help no one but themselves, well the US administration anyway


21:55:50 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Asesino:

so u guys think that the if the usa didnt jump in ww2 u still wouldve won?thats interesting cuz from wut i could tell and im really into ww2 it seemed that u guys werent doing well before usa jumped in.


21:57:39 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Bubbles:

USA didn't "jump" into anything. It was dragged in when Japan attacked them at pearl harbour, so get off your stool. US intervention was forced upon them, not their choice.


21:58:33 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Love:

"so u guys think that the if the usa didnt jump in ww2 u still wouldve won?thats interesting cuz from wut i could tell and im really into ww2 it seemed that u guys werent doing well before usa jumped in"

Yes we where doing very well. We occupied all of europe. If the USA never would had invaded we would consider ourselves to be the winners of WW2. No matter which country you come from, Germany, France whatever.


22:01:43 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Asesino:

europe is ur continent..so u want a medal cuz u defended it?ok usa controlled all of there land.are we winners now?


22:02:06 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Smuff:

oh its a self important yank (a few spoil it for the many). we went to war to protect someing. i have no dout that is u lot hadnt helped out (which was a responsiblity NOT a friendly gesture) we would have lost. but if u lot had helped out earlier u would have saved thousands of lives, dont make it seem like a selfless act of heroism only on the usa's part.

however, we are a little off topic aint we :p

oh and its an assumtion that u are a yank if ur not them i am sorry, i cant be bothered to edit it out now, but my opinion stands


22:04:16 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Asesino:

and bubbles lets use vu cuz i dont feel like coming up with any other ideas cuz im lazy...if theres a huge war going on and you attacked one of my cities does that mean im dragged into the war now?if i wanted i culda ignored it.


22:05:19 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Love:

"europe is ur continent..so u want a medal cuz u defended it?ok usa controlled all of there land.are we winners now?"

I think most people in Europe considers them the winners of WW2.

"oh its a self important yank (a few spoil it for the many). we went to war to protect someing. i have no dout that is u lot hadnt helped out (which was a responsiblity NOT a friendly gesture) we would have lost. but if u lot had helped out earlier u would have saved thousands of lives, dont make it seem like a selfless act of heroism only on the usa's part."

Are you speaking about WW2? You did not "go to war". You where dragged into war against your own will, same as with the rest of Europe. We are all in the same boat.


22:06:10 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Asesino:

i get ur piont smuff and im not saying we were heroes.im saying you guys need to give us credit for what we do


22:08:37 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Smuff:

"and bubbles lets use vu cuz i dont feel like coming up with any other ideas cuz im lazy...if theres a huge war going on and you attacked one of my cities does that mean im dragged into the war now?if i wanted i culda ignored it."

u think that u could ignor an attack like purle harbour. lol

STOP trying to make out that u did europe a favour in jumping into WW2 for *beep* sake! u waited long enough as it is, u could have saved thousands of lives


22:10:49 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Smuff:

"you guys need to give us credit for what we do"

funding terrorism and bombing the *beep*e outta musim countrys cos they are different OH YES i'll give u lot credit for 'what you do'


22:11:38 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Love:

"funding terrorism and bombing the *beep*e outta musim countrys cos they are different OH YES i'll give u lot credit for 'what you do"

They have to spend their wealth one something now dont they?


22:12:54 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Bubbles:

ROFL. Asesino, you're an *beep*. VU and RL are completely different, you don't have any other ideas because it's illogical. The US was -ATTACKED- by the Japanese at Pearl Harbour, you dumb*beep*, USA couldn't have "ignored" an unprovoked attack on its fleet. Congress approved a war declaration and what happened next is history. The US was dragged into the war, period.

Seriously, you gotta be kidding me. The US government could of ignored an attack on its nation. LMAO. Go back to elementary school history lessons, kid.


22:13:03 Oct 10th 06 - Mr. Asesino:

well actually im the kinda person that cant be a president or in congress or anything like that cuz i would jump into war if another country said stuff bout ours.wich they dont! (sarcasm [for the retards that cant tell]) so no i culdnt ignore it
(Edited by Mr. Asesino 10/10/2006 10:13:23 PM)


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