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I just dont get it
06:29:58 Nov 20th 12 - Muffin Man (Ms. Nekkron):

I don't know what it is, but I've tried repeatedly to be good and I'm just not. I played a character in starta, a new one in starta, two on zetamania, and one on valhalla and not once have i placed in the top 10, even.
I cant tell what it is.
Production cities in a 1:5 ratio, lotsa magic users with your armies, use higher level units later in the game so upkeep isn't high.
Don't farm, its just plain wrong.
Try and communicate with your KD.
I just don't get it.

06:35:10 Nov 20th 12 - Mr. Eddo:

You need to farm as much as possible if you are able to. Otherwise you will never keep up.

06:41:06 Nov 20th 12 - Prince Dakarta:

Being good doesn't come right away. Especially in 5 eras. You have to learn from the game and gradually make improvements on how you play.

I'm not good by any means, nor do I plan to be anytime soon. Be a student of the game.

06:42:26 Nov 20th 12 - Muffin Man (Ms. Nekkron):

I've tried. Ive asked multiple people reported as being "really good." I've taken their advice word for word..
Nothing. I can't even make an army or win a damn battle without looking like the worst player in the game. xD

06:44:32 Nov 20th 12 - Prince Dakarta:

Again. It will take time. Don't go into something new expecting to be the best, it'll only disappoint. Hell, Binh could probably write a guide for you and still won't see any benefits for a while to come.

06:50:56 Nov 20th 12 - Ms. Jennas Fanclub:

You also need to be on the "winning" side of things. The top10 are the ones who have the most land, units and most battle experience(won battles, captured cities etc). Naturally you need to fight but more importantly you need to win.

06:53:30 Nov 20th 12 - Tyr (Sir Tyrgalon):

Its also a lot about being active, making the right moves with your armies etc. Theres a lot of subtle things that affect your success.
You have to learn to evaluate the situation above all else imo, that tells you if you should farm, train troops, attack or defend. This skill comes mostly with time I would say tho, but I guess you could try guessing what people have for troops in armies or whats in their cities and let a mage eits it and see how close you got or something :)

Also, some people just have a certain playstyle that goes well togheter with them, without there being a clear reason why lol :P

08:16:56 Nov 20th 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Daanikkaal):


08:44:16 Nov 20th 12 - Mr. Yukan:

What race were you playing as?

Although I'm pretty sure any advice I give would be bad since I'm nubby and have only been back for 2 eras*

11:34:01 Nov 20th 12 - Electric (Mr. James Doakes):

Easiest Race to get HoH on is Halfing, if you care about that... you really shouldent HoH is great but it barely means anything.

11:46:38 Nov 20th 12 - heroix (Mr. Heroix):

True. Usually to get on HoH takes the most boring strategy and some treasure stealing from your kingdom-mates who did all the work, while you were farming.

14:42:28 Nov 20th 12 - HorusPanic (Mr. Insanity Wolf):

sounds to me like you just aren't in good kingdoms... as long as you are active, you are useful... if you are useful, you win and thats way more important than the scoreboard

18:11:44 Nov 20th 12 - Binh (Mr. Binh The Big Bad Orc):

Muffin, you need to know what type of player you would like to be and ask the person who are good at that type of strategy. For example, Eddo is a good player but what he says apply to his strategy style:

"You need to farm as much as possible if you are able to. Otherwise you will never keep up."

That sentence apply best to human, elf, and dwarf. Other race does not need prolong farming to succeed.

My orc strategy for example require me to stop farming completely 20-24 ticks before oop. It is a high risk high reward strategy though that require regular to good activity to succeed. You either succeed or fail big time.

19:25:32 Nov 20th 12 - Electric (Electric Piro):

^ *Clap*

20:12:22 Nov 20th 12 - Senturu (Mr. Senturu God of Evil Spam):

^lol binh


ive been around for years......

and ive never placed in HoH on Fant or mant. its not because im not a good player. im an decent player.

i dont play to get on HoH. i mean yea. i laugh when i get on HoH. its a pleasant suprise.

20:32:19 Nov 20th 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Daanikkaal):

I don't care about HoH, I play for my Kingdom to win. I care if one of my kingdom mates gets on HoH, it's just cool to see lol :)

I don't like farming, I had to my first era to figure out controls, but now I hate it. Even with Humans, Elves, and Dwarves I won't farm. I'm more of an orc/halfling player. I don't like halflings cause they get on HoH. It's because they have a good survivability because of half-cost buildings.(more guard towers)
I've only played once on Fant and I regret it. I was gone OOP. :C

20:35:50 Nov 20th 12 - Endless (Ms. Fabulous Fifty):

Keep playing Fant if you want to get good, you have to play against and with the best to learn how to tweak your game play.  Best thing Zeta did for me was to drop my n00b azz on Fant to get slaughtered by Lew OOP lol

21:43:16 Nov 20th 12 - Electric (Electric Piro):

I dont think the best players often play there best on Fant.

23:40:16 Nov 20th 12 - Princess Bloodrayne:

First of all, Highscores mean absolutely nothing. But if you want to be first there, just simply go with Halfers, they are good for keeping score. Even an average player like me can do well, even without being too active. Halflings score best in the game, and if you manage to take some war spoils, and combine that with building your own towns, training armies, you should end up being very high on Highscores. Hell you do not even have to be a good player, I managed to win last Stara age, and if I can do it, everyone can.

01:20:21 Nov 21st 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Daanikkaal):

Well, hey Aisha. :)
I dont care about personal score.
Just want to be a good player for my KD.

01:29:42 Nov 21st 12 - Sir Lucavi:

You can be good player as long as you can hold up on your own and at least against some people at least.

01:35:19 Nov 21st 12 - Zephyr (Marquess Roland III):

being a good teammate, being willing to sacrifice and take looses for your kingdom, be active, communicate are great ways to be a good player for your kingdom but everyone has their own opinions which I respect, just think for yourself what can you do to be valuable to your kingdom, do it.

05:05:13 Nov 21st 12 - Mr. Edd:

I am happy to know that  The Great Bihn thinks I'm a good player =)

07:02:18 Nov 21st 12 - Electric (Mr. James Doakes):

Bihn bihn bihng drinking

07:53:56 Nov 21st 12 - Pirate Lewatha:

20:35:50 Nov 20th 12 - Endless (Ms. Fabulous Fifty):

Keep playing Fant if you want to get good, you have to play against and with the best to learn how to tweak your game play.  Best thing Zeta did for me was to drop my n00b azz on Fant to get slaughtered by Lew OOP lol


07:56:35 Nov 21st 12 - Pirate Lewatha:

Anyways, it all depends on play style yes. I tend to suck OOP for example and my activity lacks quite often. Thus I tend to farm for the first days of an era to get my economy big enough to sustain a big army later in the era when the people who actually fought OOP are starting to feel it in their economy.

Works sometimes, if there's no players like Binh nearby :)

Basically, I farm my ass off. ^.^

08:23:28 Nov 21st 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Crypt):

Lol, Lew. That sounds interesting. I've never farmed, except for my first era. I was trying to get used to the game.

22:45:03 Nov 22nd 12 - Pirate Lewatha:

Farming really isn't that bad of a tactic. Many people will look down upon you for it. But in the end, it wins a lot of battles.. If you manage to survive..

08:02:27 Nov 23rd 12 - Emperor Tiberius Septimus Cidellus:


*hasn't played Visual Utopia in like...a bajillion eras*

08:17:24 Nov 23rd 12 - Mr. Yukan:

A question for you all then:

Do you like to build with your KD for safety in numbers or build in an isolated plot of land you can call your own in good times and in bad?

or I could ask:

How much do you want to depend on your kingdom?

08:54:41 Nov 23rd 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Daanikkaal):

I think a decent proportion should rely on kingdom, but you also need to have a level of independence. AKA you build with your core, and when you're in a fight, make forward armories when in a war and when needed, communicate with your team and help them when they ask for help.

09:05:03 Nov 23rd 12 - Tyr (Sir Tyrgalon):

Thats right Muffin :)

09:10:55 Nov 24th 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Daanikkaal):

yay :D

I feel slightly special

11:21:57 Nov 24th 12 - Tyr (Sir Tyrgalon):

Maybe your mummy told me you are special? :D lol jk XD

19:18:35 Nov 24th 12 - Muffin Man (Mr. Daanikkaal):

Stop looking into my past creeper D:< I mean yeah hahaha funny.. xD

07:37:13 Nov 27th 12 - Arthur Dent (Mr. Arthur Dent III):

I thought half of you guys left this game years ago...  Howdy Aisha, Endless ;)

10:49:15 Nov 27th 12 - Skinny Vinny (Sir Skinnyv):

shit arthur, who let you back here???
and muffin man, i suggest play in small active KDs so you have to work together.  thats how i got to be half way decent, but ive been playing this game for probably around 4 years and i still wouldn't say i'm "good"

10:50:04 Nov 27th 12 - Skinny Vinny (Sir Hiding):

if you want, i just started on nirvana if you wanna chill and maybe dominate the world :) message me if you want

16:54:40 Nov 27th 12 - HorusPanic (Lord Horus):

hi gais

imagine this core of players:

Arthur Dent

19:09:50 Nov 27th 12 - Stormy (Lord Stormcrow):

wow, i thought lew and aisha left a long time ago, good to see some of the female population back <3

being a good player and being in the top 10 are different things:P There are tons of great players out there who never make high scores on the hoh....

getting high on the list and being a good player does require skill, good judgement, etc.... BUT it also requires luck, what kingdom you're in, activity levels, what naps you have, etc....

if you want to place high for sure, go halfer:P

endless has it right too, play on fant. I wouldnt be who i was if it werent for the repeated humiliations at the hands of such players as BTK and Raistlin when i first started:P

23:55:58 Nov 28th 12 - Arthur Dent (Mr. Arthur Dent III):

After finals guys... haha

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