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KD Cap
12:19:21 Mar 3rd 07 - Mr. Wilberforce:

Well why was it locked? We are entitled to our opinions and i fail to see why that should of been locked.

Well replying to your message sloth, i did say its old if you read my first sentance.

81 players they now have, yes its incredibly difficult to organise but just look, if they have one core it would take hundreds of ticks with many armies (small-medium size) to actually make any impact to them at all.

Yes Girl Power can take care of themselves. I'm not saying they can't, i'm saying all small KD's would benefit and that we should have a world with a KD cap.


12:24:06 Mar 3rd 07 - Lord Osiris:

no no no and erm no it failed the first time drove many people away so why bring it back thier 81 players dont even have half the power of the top 5-6 so they cant do anything


12:28:48 Mar 3rd 07 - Mr. Nubest:

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*yawns*


12:31:10 Mar 3rd 07 - Mr. Wilberforce:

Osiris i'm saying people should be allowed to choose what world to go to. Like GvE was.

Their power is low yes, but they should never of been allowed to go over 40 members.


12:34:43 Mar 3rd 07 - Mr. Elsin:

"if they have one core it would take hundreds of ticks with many armies (small-medium size) to actually make any impact to them at all."

On the flip side, that many people in one core would leave next to no room for expansion. Particularly if they plan to NAP. "Recruit everybody" kingdoms always do poorly.


13:24:07 Mar 3rd 07 - Mr. Nubest:

"Their power is low yes, but they should never of been allowed to go over 40 members."

They should never be allowed to go over 40? And why is that exactly? Just because you think they are too many in a kingdom? If they like it like that let them and stop trying to restrict freedom. They have a choice if they want to be in a mass recruiting kingdom or not.

Mass recruiting kingdoms are always weak anyway.


13:36:19 Mar 3rd 07 - Lord Osiris:

Osiris i'm saying people should be allowed to choose what world to go to. Like GvE was. <---- why so good kds can go and destroy nubs without having to fight?


15:18:12 Mar 3rd 07 - Mr. Native Peoples:

Mass recruiting can be a good strategy for a new kingdom, then you trim away the fat and end up with a core of decent players. Let them have their fun, most of those members are likely to be inactive and/or stupid.


15:21:55 Mar 3rd 07 - Lord Argyle:

Hehe, also it's never fun to continue playing after controlling an entire map...


12:55:45 Mar 4th 07 - Mr. Ghouma:

This is stupid, the players should make the game not rules. Dont brign this UP again!


19:21:54 Mar 4th 07 - Mr. Wilberforce:

I didn't say we do, i was only expressing my opinion, i don't demand one i think it would be a good idea, or you could bring 3 player KD's back Zeta. :D


15:40:36 Mar 5th 07 - Mr. Nubest:

"I didn't say we do, i was only expressing my opinion, i don't demand one i think it would be a good idea, or you could bring 3 player KD's back Zeta. :D"

You just want to prove that you have no idea what you're taking about, is that it?


19:28:55 Mar 5th 07 - Mr. Wilberforce:

Whys that?


20:25:23 Mar 5th 07 - Lord Osiris:

because 3 player kds was one of the biggest mistakes i remember in vu


21:15:02 Mar 5th 07 - Mr. Wilberforce:

One of the best things in vu (and yes i did play before 3 man kds).


21:28:41 Mar 5th 07 - Lord Osiris:

in a nub kd with no chance of winning? why do you think vets are hard to come by these days


00:18:35 Mar 6th 07 - Mr. Wilberforce:

What do you mean by "in a nub kd with no chance of winning", do you mean you are in a nub kd, you were in a nub kd. All kd's are nubs?


08:00:05 Mar 12th 07 - Sir Shahal:

"Osiris i'm saying people should be allowed to choose what world to go to. Like GvE was"

...and cater to the 1% of the VU population that like that idea, why?  The GvE world was just a cop out and not a solution to the players' angst at the time. 

And why the hell are you bringing this up now?  We all argued about this months ago and found out that the majority of VU players hated the kindom cap. 


08:55:51 Mar 12th 07 - Ms. Gigi Sommone:

FFS!  Been tried, does not work, and we just got the regular kingdoms back and away from the three man kingdoms, why ruin it all again?!


18:30:25 Mar 12th 07 - Mr. Architect:

3 man KD's was the biggest mistake I can remember in all of VU.  As it was said, we argued and fought to get the cap removed and I believe it took 2, maybe 3 eras if you count GvE, I dont know, I tried to forget about those times.  Anyways, to go back to a KD cap would just be repeating history, and we know how that settles with the locals.


19:24:46 Mar 12th 07 - Mr. Viper:

I know, i was there Gigi...and i loved the 3 man KD's, and a fair people i know liked it too.

I say Zeta  should give this world a try...if no-one likes it, it wont be populated, if it is populated, then i guess it wasn't a waste.


06:39:53 Mar 15th 07 - Mr. Architect:

Viper, WAKE UP!!!!

We had arguments about this for weeks and months at a time.  If you want to see the threads I can dig them up as proof.  There were about 2, maybe 3 people at a max that liked the 3-man KD's while it was in existance and while it was there to fight about.  Its those of you who "liked" it but did not voice their opinion who are now coming out and saying that it should be brought back.  While the 3 people form your side bickered childlishly and came up with faulty arguments and were not able to back up their "invisible" walls of players who actually liked the 3 man KD's, on several different occasions no less than 50 players came together to say that they did not like 3 man KD's in any way.  So, the numbers are 50 against and 3 for, the rest of VU does not count since they did not find it important enough to voice their opinion.  If they liked it and wanted to see it kept in existance they should ahve said something while they had the chance. 

Zeta did give those worlds a try, and people were forced to play them, and thats the only reason they were populated and 94.33% (yes, thats the actual percentage) said they were not in favor of the KD caps.  out of I believe about 700 players playing this would mean that 660.31 players would statistically vote against 3 man KD's and the remaining 39.69 players would not even number enough to be able to fill a world.

As well as being severely outnumbered, LGC has shown that even when split up into 3 man KD's, there is nothing stopping 6 seperate LGC KD's working together under 1 cause to rule as usual.  The point of 3 man KD's is to give the smaller KD's and weaker players a chance yeah?  Well, with groups of people getting together like this it makes it even more impossible for a group to get together in order to win an era.  If you cant beat a KD with 20 people when you have 25, what makes you think you would then be able to beat that KD when they are still 20 strong but now split up into 3 man KD's, but now you ahve only 3 members, and no one else there to back you up.

As well as everything here, to put in an option to choose your world when you re-started, I believe would require some new scripting, while its probably possible, it would just be wasting valuable time where we could be implementing improvements.  In GvE, we had to message zeta i believe it was, saying what side we wanted to be on and then he manually placed us there.  My whole point of this is that it would just be unorganized and cause many problems in the long run.

I'm done talking now until you come back and tell me there really are more then 3 people who are in support of 3 man KD's in which case I'll just have to show you the evidence.


07:50:58 Mar 15th 07 - Sir Shahal:

'nuff said.


16:23:48 Mar 15th 07 - Duke Erunion Telcontar:

During that argument I fought for a 30-50 player cap, but was happy with the result. And I agree with Shahal. And Architect.


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