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Not all Muslims are terrorists
16:54:44 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Jet:

...but most terrorists are Muslim.

Discuss.


17:03:03 Dec 30th 07 - Pirate Lewatha:

flame war!

But I think it's true, statistically, this makes sense.


17:12:03 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Romus The II:

Well most are muslim and cathlic "the IRA" Irish Republican Army. and muslims can help it they are geting 71 vergins and 1 hoe


17:46:47 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

its like saying not all catholic priests are *beep*, but most *beep* priests are catholic


18:03:00 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Mushasji:

so, you agree?


18:16:14 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

yes i agree that most terrorists are muslims, BUT, the terrorists brand is according to the western world. 


18:51:59 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Willem II:


yup, in the middle east we are supressors and they are freedom fighters. just from what angle you look at it


18:57:27 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

The shame is how many of their own people they are killing for being "traitors to the infidels." The whole thing seems so misguided...


19:18:07 Dec 30th 07 - Sir Spoon:

There needs to come a type of government, not democracy, that doesn't work, which keeps everybody happy. Kind of fair for the citizens, but still kind of an iron fist government. But once murders out of the name of the government starts, the government should fall. Else it'll just be a failure each and every time with democracy.
See what happened with most of the countries that the Sovjets invaded. They're far behind, and they did capitulate eventually.

No, it won't be good in time. It'll only be worse as the current western countries are also getting invaded by muslim extremists and anti-muslims.

Fighting terrorism won't work, you'll kill people their family and friends, which will recruit more terrorists. I agree with Blowme here btw.


20:55:19 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Oldmanschild:

The answer is in parenting and education, the un/non educated are easily tricked into cults and religion, and misled with propaganda.. You dont need to look far, its not really the 10year degreed doctor who turns out to be a soccer holligan or a nazi...

Educate the young ones in third world countries today, guide their parents today, and tomorow we might have a difference, combat weapons are insufficent in this battle, saying islam/religion is wrong will also be insufficent, Teach them so they can learn for themselves!


21:07:39 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Willem II:


education ain't all, i agree with parenting though but you can't say education stops it. i some high educated poeple who are members of the Z-side (football hooligans)


21:33:26 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Mushasji:

you will always have some cazy, thrillseeking, adrenaline-junks, but atleast footballhooligans don't blow themselves up becuase the team lost ...


22:41:46 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Odysseus:

"yup, in the middle east we are supressors and they are freedom fighters. just from what angle you look at it"

No, they are not fighting for freedom.  This "angle" is very limited to their own point of view, since 99% of the people they kill are innocent Muslims going about normal daily life.  I doubt these people agree with this massacre.

Right now the real purpose is chaos in order to create a realm of instability.  A stable country has no need of liberation, right?  It is far easier to paint the occupation and a new government as impossible when you have this instability and lack of control.

Education certainly is important...the terrorists themselves have such a tiny and limited view of the world imposed on them.  They have been indoctrinated in a very particular interpretation of Islam that thankfully does not appear to be shared by the rest of their more educated brethren.


22:52:27 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Soc:

 

first, jet, i agree.

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12/30/2007 12:55:19 PM
The answer is in parenting and education, the un/non educated are easily tricked into cults and religion, and misled with propaganda.. You dont need to look far, its not really the 10year degreed doctor who turns out to be a soccer holligan or a nazi...

Educate the young ones in third world countries today, guide their parents today, and tomorow we might have a difference, combat weapons are insufficent in this battle, saying islam/religion is wrong will also be insufficent, Teach them so they can learn for themselves!

 

as an educated man that is an avid soccer player and religious as well, i cannot agree with you in any sense.

so, you're saying everyone should be a doctor (or another high paying profession)?  who will clean our cities? who will grow our food? education is not all it's made out to be. I almost regret my decision to continue my schooling, as i feel it set me back financially, while the company i started rarely uses the knowledge i received from my education.


23:10:39 Dec 30th 07 - Mr. Oldmanschild:

as an educated man that is an avid soccer player and religious as well, i cannot agree with you in any sense.

so, you're saying everyone should be a doctor (or another high paying profession)?  who will clean our cities? who will grow our food? education is not all it's made out to be. I almost regret my decision to continue my schooling, as i feel it set me back financially, while the company i started rarely uses the knowledge i received from my education.

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not at all what i ment... in developed countries we usually have atleast 10 years of education before we get our first job, in these first basic years of schooling we learn values, religios views, society structure etc. with this education we have the chanse to get a larger view of the world in whole, and not only be dependant on our family values etc.

Most undeveloped countries Lack ANY education, thats what i meen first and most.

And to all being doctors, not at all, many get common sense from their parents or friends, which i also pointed out is very important. But in those who lack common sense and doesnt care about schooling in our community, most of todays nazis, bullys, and many hooligans of all sorts, Are not doctors, and probably not farmers eiter.. :p

And comparing farming with cleaning is pretty wrong, farming, you mostly have the prevelige to be born into, cleaning is i hope noones final step in ones life.

Having a job with low stimlation can grow hatred too


01:16:22 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

i do not agree on that.  Education and parenting are just little part of the solution.  Do you think these rebels/terrorists/leftist or whatever you call them are uneducated?  Maybe not all, but a good number of them are educated.

In my country, the rebels send children to different schools.  If you join them they will give you education and most of the things you need.  I have a friend who was invited to join the rebels, (we call them NPA or new people's army).  He declined because there is still a different path for him to take.

I think the key here is to provide the basic needs of the people who are in poverty.  Poverty and Greed is the cause of it all.  If your family is poor and you were given an option to bomb a place in return for money, then you will prob do it. 

Its easy to say that they shouldnt accept it because we are not in their situation.   We are just outsiders looking at them.  We do not experience what they experience.  


02:48:34 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Oldmanschild:

well the situation is alot different in the philipines, and rebels is not the same as terrorists in alot of ways.
i dont say that this is the only reason, i believe that education and parenting would help Alot tho.


03:54:03 Dec 31st 07 - Duke Luta Mor:

Education?  Parenting?

Why don't we look at the fact that the terrorists live and grow up in a world that sees violence frequently?  Where it's not at all a rare occasion to see your friend get blown up, kidnapped, abucted and beheaded?  And your dad, who was a pure, honest, devout religious man with nothing but good intentions, was indifferently killed by a roadside bomb last week?  How about when your government is toppled and western nations are there to take your resources and telling you that you should start living like them?

Where do you take comfort?  How do you keep your sanity?  Who do you trust?  Who do you turn to for help?  Any day it could be you who is driving on the road when your car bursts into flames, then what good does 10 years of education do?


12:00:50 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Willem II:


o, you're saying everyone should be a doctor (or another high paying profession)?  who will clean our cities? who will grow our food? education is not all it's made out to be. I almost regret my decision to continue my schooling, as i feel it set me back financially, while the company i started rarely uses the knowledge i received from my education.


uhm... so farmers are dumb? plz thats the most stupid thing i've ever heard. i am from a farming family but we all are highly educated.


12:05:35 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Mushasji:

uneducated doesn't mean dumb ... if you're dumb, nothing can help you :-p


13:37:52 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Clone V:

All Anti Russia Anti-china And anti-India are freedom fighters.
Anti-america are terrorists.


13:44:25 Dec 31st 07 - Mr. Clone V:

No no your allw rong..
All Anti-''america''(special anti-capitalist regime calling themselfs america) are terrorists.And are (shown) anti america (the massses)

And all anti Russia anti China And anti India are freedom fighters.

Some are anti-america (the masses) and pro ''america''(regimes) like Al quada are luckily considered terrorists (even if they are helped bye america (regimes))





22:28:39 Jan 1st 08 - Duke Luta Mor:

???

Mbeidas, if you want to participte in a debate,

DEBATE!


22:29:29 Jan 1st 08 - Prince Mielo:

did you take that from a song or something likewise?

Now flame me for this!!
Jihad!


22:38:08 Jan 1st 08 - Mr. Mbeidas The Black Prince:

actually i would like you to say this on all topics . viva jihad

see how you completly understand me wrong


22:40:04 Jan 1st 08 - Prince Mielo:

I actually didn't read your post ... I'm not in the mood for a patriotic dictation ...


22:46:25 Jan 1st 08 - Mr. Mbeidas The Black Prince:

oh god , just admit it . all that cuz you heard an arabian word and put it in the wrong postion , just say , i am sorry .

and i admit that i have a crap english gramer . i am sorry for the curses at first

see . islam is a unite of jews power and christions peace , makin an undeafeted power state can face anything with god . in a time of this state ther was no poor .

they made armies , they made no poor , they paid for muslims loans , they paid for chrstions and jews loans , they gave young men the ability to marry and then

they bought wheat and thow it on mountains , so birds can eat from the good of muslims .

i don't think this is teorirst unless you are terorist and you think like that


23:23:00 Jan 1st 08 - Prince Mielo:

Mr. Mbeidas The Black Prince

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1/1/2008 10:46:25 PM

oh god , just admit it . all that cuz you heard an arabian word and put it in the wrong postion , just say , i am sorry .

and i admit that i have a crap english gramer

Was that aimed after me? Because I think you are the last person who probably should use the words English grammar in one sentence :)


23:24:46 Jan 1st 08 - Mr. Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

.......no he was sayin his own grammer was bad.......how did u not get that?


00:19:35 Jan 2nd 08 - Mr. Mushasji:

well done mbeidas, now stop until you ruin this thread aswell ... understand what's being said first, then think, then post ...


01:16:26 Jan 2nd 08 - Sir Dead Oralive:

wait what it this thread about? I didnt think before i posted just posted becuase i felt like posting because posting is fun so i posted becuase it was fun posting wonder if posting is getting annoying now that I posted.

Post smile :)


01:49:45 Jan 2nd 08 - Mr. Mbeidas The Black Prince:

well i think you people should post things that really need to discuss


03:30:13 Jan 2nd 08 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

Mr. Oldmanschild

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12/31/2007 9:48:34 AMwell the situation is alot different in the philipines, and rebels is not the same as terrorists in alot of ways.
i dont say that this is the only reason, i believe that education and parenting would help Alot tho.

As i've said, the terrorist brand is only crafted by the western world.  We call them rebels here, but they do basically what "terrorists" do.  Bombings, kidnappings.

And also according to wikipedia:
The New People's Army (NPA) is a paramilitary group fighting for communist revolution in the Philippines. It was formed on March 29, 1969. The Maoist NPA fights a "protracted people's war" as the military wing of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP). The NPA has been classified as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union.[1][2]

Like i've said, terrorist is just a brand.  It's Hypocrisy.  The european union branding it a terrorist while the leader of that organization lives in Utrect, Netherlands. 


08:00:25 Jan 2nd 08 - Lord Oya:

i would call the us goverment a form of terrorist, along with many other western  goverments. i wouldnt say all terrorists are muslim, i feel the term is used far too loosely to be associated with just one type of people just because you see it on the news more than you see other types of terrorism... the middle east is not the only place in the world experiencing troubles. Africa holds both strong christian, muslim faiths in various states have large amount of "terrorism". South america has largely christian cultures and have terrorism much like that of the middle east. the difference being there is not something to be gained from the land.(atleast not anything extra, the cocaine business is booming in the US from columbia) and so isnt so publicly displayed to the western world as it apparantly doesnt concern them.


Education is important yes, but is only a part of the issue. In england everyone has an education, bar the few who miss out for whatever reason but that is a rarity. However we still have murderers, we still have people who will steal, rape and do all sorts of un-social things. Education is helpful if you wish to gain knowledge, but that is not everyones mindset, some people desire power, desire merely to be heard by others. Western culture has been successful in most cases i agree. But people need to be educated in things that they are interested in. Poverty has nothing to do with how people act, that is a misunderstanding by ignorant people. It is greed that runs people to do certain things and its just as easy to corrupt a rich man with the possibility of more wealth...it is not only the poor who wish for more.

there is just one problem with discussing such subjects, none of you have the right to complain or point fingers at people you do not understand and wish to sit in your comfortable world far away from the violence. you must ask yourself if you were in a war torn city, surronded by people trying to just get along with life and others who wish to dissrupt it for fame, freedom, chaos, wealth or power.... what life would you choose. frankly i would try my best to leave the situation entirely

15:55:01 Jan 2nd 08 - Mr. Agent Clamps:

I'd be a "terrorist", but that equally makes your point, Oya.


17:37:58 Jan 2nd 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

Are you saying that the people in the Middle East need a new name for terrorist?

How bout turtle or Rabbid Irresponsible Humans?


11:03:38 Jan 3rd 08 - Mr. Clone V:

No governments (and their puppet masters) in the west need it becouse their injustice is so unspoken it doesnt even have a name


11:09:52 Jan 3rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

This may be some sort of conspiracy but I hear somewhere that America delibratly crashed the plane into the tower so they could go after Binladen, Now I dont know anything but I dont think the goverment would do that, Its a rumour that all....

Respect to 9/11
R.I.P


11:14:11 Jan 3rd 08 - Mr. Clone V:

well bin laden was trained by CIA for a long time and used agains the soviet union and recieved alot of cash even after the sovjet union fell.
before 9/11 they still recieved up to a billion dollars.
and the bin laden family was also big stockholder in the US weapon industry along with the bush family just bbefore the attacks.
Bush familly also had large shares in oil which also doubled in price.


11:17:28 Jan 3rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

Close....

Too close.....


16:46:42 Jan 3rd 08 - Duke Luta Mor:

There's a conspiracy about everything in the US.  Aliens, JFK, 9/11...

According to the 9/11 conspiratists the government planted explosives at strategic points in the twin towers, and that a missile flew into the Pentagon, not an airplane.  They say that gasoline fuel couldn't have been hot enough to melt the towers' steel support beams and try to interpret all kinds of footage, taking "expert" advice from conspiracy scientists, take take official quotes way out of context.  It's rather interesting, but if you go to certain sites just about every conspiratist claim is rebuked.


16:57:31 Jan 3rd 08 - Sir Spoon:

Sir Revenge

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1/3/2008 11:17:28 AM

Close....

Too close.....

WHY ARE YOU POSTING CRAP LIKE THAT?

About 9/11 being a conspiracy:
I don't seriously believe that the American government would kill thousands of people just to hunt down one man or something. I also think they could easily choose a better government building to fly a missle into as another terrorist attack.


17:09:02 Jan 3rd 08 - Sir Iwasfrozen VI:

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12/30/2007 4:12:03 PM
Well most are muslim and cathlic "the IRA" Irish Republican Army. and muslims can help it they are geting 71 vergins and 1 hoe

 

Ever hear of the UDA ? Their just as bad !!


20:17:18 Jan 3rd 08 - Mr. Clone V:

duke luta mor other conspiracy theories have nothing to do with this..
thats like saying.
some people claim santa is real
others claim the boogie man is.

when someone says people are real

Spoon people die every day becouse other make money of of it..



01:43:15 Jan 4th 08 - Duke Luta Mor:

I was just talking about conspiracy theories in general, then elaborated on the 9/11 conspiracy, which is relevant because people think Bush and co set it up as a way to gain public support for foreign wars.

The War on Terror is itself terrorism against anyone who might consider being an insurgent or act against western influence.


15:01:55 Jan 4th 08 - Mr. Clone V:

in Iraq its the Iraqi's that  are fighting al-quada Us army is doing nothing..
Al-quida is still doing terrorist attack to devide teh people.(on religeus sites)
and also bin ladin is saying US is planning to unite and conquer Iraq..
ROLF thats what they always do they unite and conquer .
Nothing as stupid as devide and conquer wtf is that :p


22:37:02 Jan 4th 08 - Mr. Mbeidas The Black Prince:

when i was playin football i thought about this

not all muslims are terorist , but most are

most = majority

muslims are about 1.17 billion .

majorit of muslims is 50.1% and up .

so half a billion of the muslims are terorists.

 

nice thinking , but i assume that it's wrong .


23:10:26 Jan 4th 08 - Mr. Sorra:

lol yeah it's pretty simple.

To the USA government, It does not matter if your a dictaor killing and tourturing your people in the most nastiest ways and/or exploiting your country’s resources or a good, peace loving leader who wants the best for his people.

All that matters is if you listen to the U.S or not. If you stay at Washington’s feet, no matter how evil or corrupt you are you'll never ever get threatened, lets not even mention sanctions and war.

However, if your a democratically elected leader that has helped your country tons but for some reason do not like the U.S. they will attempt to take you out almost immediately.

 

E.X: Kadfi. He was once hated by the U.S because of his “radical views and wanting nuclear weapons.” He was also a very bad leader at the time. There was a time when war between Libya and America where very close. The pretext on which America decided it should use to impose sanctions and possibly war on Libya was that he was a cruel dictator. He was at Saddams or passed his level on brutality to his people. However, after he threw away his nuclear program and started warming up to America, it seems like all is well with Libya and the people are happy with Kadfi when in reality, they are still living under Kadifis jackboot even worse then before. The irony is that Libya’s military and secret service agencies are being trained by America in the U.K to combat and suppress the people who want FREEDOM in Libya which is everyone because no person wants to live under a murderous tyrant who creates law for the sole purpose of protecting his interests and indirectly naming himself god of the country.

 

EX 2: The Shah Of Iran. The MOST BRUTEL DICTARORSHIP EVER TO ACCUMELET IN THAT REGION. America had supported the Shah in almost ultimately because they tried to “westernize” Iran even against the peoples will. Porn cinemas love of materialistic things and such. When the Iranian people got feed up, they literally over powered the military and took over the country. They put the leader who inspired them (Ayatollah Khomanai) in power who then put a president in power but remains spiritual leader of Iran. After that was accomplished they rushed to the American embassy and took the hostages and it’s history from there. In my books that’s not as big as a form of terrorism compared to what America had done to the Iranian people. The U.S supported a dictatorship monocracy government that used unheard of methods of torture and mass murder to intimidate it’s people. This was all because it was reflecting Americans interest in trying to “westernize” Iran.  So now, I don’t understand why America turns around when they get attacked or feel threatened and asked what did we ever do to those people to deserve this

 

EX: 3 Fidel Castro has the overwhelming support of 70-80% of his people. Yet America tried to kill him 638 times but they failed all 638 times. All because he wasn’t friendly towards America. Not violently, but he just wanted to take back the countries resources for the country and kick mega-large American imperial corporations out that the last government before him which was indeed a military dictatorship invited in for arms from America in return. Then after the first couple of assignation attempts did he really get pissed at the nation of America. Thank god they failed on killing him.


03:30:57 Jan 5th 08 - Mr. Mbeidas The Black Prince:

wher are you when i need you here ?


20:18:11 Jan 5th 08 - Mr. Clone V:

hes saying you deserve it..

america is cool theyr are not evil all those millions of dead people is their own fould not america's, they should have listned to ''washington'' harmless peacefull great and sympathic and fair games. becouse they dint do that they coused the death of millions of innocent children and many others..its as simple as that..
 its their own stupid fault, it specially has nothing to do with sorra..

Hail America


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