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MY NAME SO FU :P

not if you're a turkey :p

lol :P

It doesn't concern you Brannigan, only Americans have something to be thankful for.

what a lousy holiday

Sorry Brannigan, Freedom isn't free.

Civil liberties... hmmm then you can't be talking about the USA

"I am a big supporter of free internet and oppose any restriction on internet access, because it forces me to examine what I am doing and makes me a better leader and makes our democracy stronger."
--- Obama, speech in Shanghai, China,16/Nov/2009


//Wikileaks releases damning evidence of American plotting, spying on allies and cover ups.


"STOP THEM! :(((((("
--- Obama, 28/Nov/2010

I agree wholeheartedly. There should be no transparity.

The U.S should be free to plot invasions, spy on its allies and cover up massacres of innocents they've committed and not be held accountable for them.

We should protect the perpetrators for their "wellbeing"!

Look what happened at the last wikileaks release -- dozens died. :((((

Killing children and news reporters? Do they not count as innocents?

American's defending massacres. Sound's familiar.

At My Lai, 504 civilians were massacred by the U.S. Consequent cover-ups by your government hid this, and individual soldier complaints were squashed. A year later, the entire affair was revealed to huge international condemnation.

This is precisely the sort of thing Wikileaks is attempting to stop. To make your government accountable for its actions. To make you think twice.

To stop you from:

• Plotting the downfall of other sovereign and democratically elected nations.
• Spying on your own allies and independent organisations
• Covering up your killing of civilians.

I'm being genuine. Wikileaks is doing a fine job.

Its war.. war isn't fair and kills civillians.. it sucks and i hate it but its what happends in a war. Th people in the US wanted that's what they get.. a real dirty war

William, you can't excuse the deliberate and planned massacre of civilians as "it's war, it happens".

Accidental deaths you can defend, by all means. But planned? No. If this was happening in a Western, developed nation, there would be media outrage. But who cares about the Middle East, right?


Over 100,000 civilians have died, post-2003 in Iraq. That's over thirty-three 9/11's worth of civilian deaths. Worth it? Hardly.

And I like how a simple thread, supposed to be one celebrating a holiday for giving thanks, gets hijacked by people bashing America.... if you want to bash it, fine, create your own threads and do it there, don't hijack one like this

That's a disgusting attitude to take. Only somebody far removed from reality/maturity could say such a cold thing. Should your country find itself in war, and your innocent family murdered as "collatoral damage", I hope somebody doesn't spout the same nonsense you're spouting now, to you.

"It happens, so I'll just shrug my shoulders and say so what". What is inevitable is that civilians are likely to die, yes. But on  what MAGNITUDE they die is what isn't inevitable. You can't just pass off all civilian deaths as "inevitable". That's the sort of whitewash the U.S. government tries to paint. Just like when U.S. pilots/army fire time and time again upon their allies, killing them. They don't ask why the U.S. pilots didn't follow the proper procedures/training/support, they don't send them to jail, they comb over it and you forum warriors come out in force defending the death of innocents as "inevitable". "Inevitable" is just an excuse for poor judgement, poor training and a poor regard for human life.

The U.S. army/government show a total disregard for for well being of those whose affairs they meddle in. For the amount of weeping we hear over those poor 3000 who died at the WTC, you would think they (and you) would show a little more sympathy/remorse towards those who have suffered more at the U.S. governments hands (on a scale of 33x, no less. 33 fucking WTCs). But no, you think of the "poor, poor government" and the individuals who are being exposed by Wikileaks.

Wikileaks,  a toast to you.

I love how, rather than disproving the facts I've presented over the U.S. governments shadiness, you internet-warriors have instead resorted to namecalling, images and ignoring as a means of "rebuttal". I've been taught a thing or two, clearly!

While your chewing over your freedom fries, why don't you take a step back for a second and stop acting like lapdogs for your government? You can't stomach the truth and are falling into the Faux News habit of labelling any criticism (a la' Wikileaks) as: un-American, un-patriotic or terrorist-inclined (LOL!).

I'm not bashing America. I'm bashing the actions of your government. So stop getting your panties in a twist.

You want facts? Fine, how about these?

Saddam Hussein was a dictator who would execute or imprison people if he knew or even thought they would be even close to a problem for him. He would routinely try out his chemical weapons on the Kurds of the north, as he didn't give a shit about their population. There have been MULTIPLE reports of mass executions in graves that people had just dug, and instead of your "massacres" of 12 people, these were around 300 people, and look at the world  multiple. He was attempting to get a nuclear arms program, and if shitty North Korea could do it, so could he. 

And since the war started, the VAST majority of civilian causalities have been a result of insurgent's suicide bombers, IED's, artillery assaults and other forms of attacks.... and besides, WE'RE FUCKING OUT OF IRAQ, WE PULLED OUT LAST SUMMER. The only troops left are non-combat troops.

Its regrettable what happened to these two men and the people with them; it really is. But they knew the risks going in, and the way you're painting is as if the men in the apaches knew they were reporters and innocent civilians. They didn't. It was a mistake; please find A HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE if you want to see its all America's fault.

I'm done posting here, you've already got my blood boiling too much. Peace out.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.....

Way to avoid all the facts :P Is that all you got? That's public knowledge... and besides, I always agreed with the reasons I just mentioned with going in there.... the other reason, which was most likely wrong (and by most likely its like 99.9999999% likely wrong), was just cream on the pie for me..... i'll take my pie without cream, though.... lol

How did a thanksgiving talk turn into terrorism? O.o

Besides, everyone knows america would pwn anyone on the world in a thumb war.

That's a disgusting attitude to take. Only somebody far removed from reality/maturity could say such a cold thing. Should your country find itself in war, and your innocent family murdered as "collatoral damage", I hope somebody doesn't spout the same nonsense you're spouting now, to you.

Thanks that you say that i am far removed from reality.. as a matter of fact I am quite close to reality as I knew someone that died in afghanistan and I know a few more that are traumatised for life. you still don't understand what I am saying so thats why I think you should stop making assumptions out of my posts. I just said that war is dirty and will allways remain dirty. I never said I supported the war, I do support the soldiers fighting in it though, as they don't really have a choice. But I am pretty much against wars. All i state is that the % of citizen casualties is allways higher, its not my opinion it is a reality.

Thanks that you say that i am far removed from reality.. as a matter of fact I am quite close to reality as I knew someone that died in afghanistan and I know a few more that are traumatised for life. you still don't understand what I am saying so thats why I think you should stop making assumptions out of my posts. I just said that war is dirty and will allways remain dirty. I never said I supported the war, I do support the soldiers fighting in it though, as they don't really have a choice. But I am pretty much against wars. All i state is that the % of citizen casualties is allways higher, its not my opinion it is a reality.

Actually they do have a choice, they can not join the army in the first place. Lol. They know full well of what they're getting into when they join, so... yeah. Can we just chill this thread topic out? It makes no sense why we're arguing this.. it started over a tiny quote.