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14:55:27 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Middle Earth:

if you find that a race is to strong, then play with that race and stop complaining about it, it wont change anything!


15:04:38 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Palpatine:

billious, i said to you at start archmage beats zerks when it comes to OP and DP and you chose troll for your own reasons. However, we could not have done without your troll, and infact needed more of em, otherwise us Elfs this era would of been dead in that alliance.

Everything a Troll has is both good offensively and defensively. Everything an Elf has is great defensively but poor offensively except the level 5 units.

Oop ppl run with hobs, then warlords , then its warlords/some zerks and finally zerks...always upping the ante.

the elf has to wait a darn long time to have his archmages and facing the catch 22....to afford the archmages he needs coin but he wont have mining science yet and little capacity to take enemy cities.

By the time the elf even has one archmage, the troll(and this was true with you also) could have conquored a dozen cities or so, have mil science and have some magic and have some mine science too.

The elf has to wait till he is level 7-9 even to use his archmages(if he has them) plus he may face the added burden of using magic regularly which is very expensive.

conquest beats farming for coin so a troll wiil usually win out if played well. i do agree though that a confused elf who conqests early and acts "troll like" and not cast magic can easily be the trolls equal and not have to worry about the cost and lack of speed of carrying mu.personal playing choice. i knew a certain troll who took 70 cities last era or so who failed miserably as an Elf this era and i dont think took one city(despite not being a magic caster and desiring to be a "battle elf" like a troll).


15:15:59 Aug 25th 09 - Lord Sky:

I don't see what you are all complaining about... we take our disadvantages. Zeta weakened ghosts, so we can't OOP war for crap. Essentially every unit sucks except for AM, which doesn't do you any good until 8-10 magic science. Riders are slightly better now, but tbh they're still bad...


15:35:52 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Billious:

I can see how the advantages of each race peak at different Era times, sure was busy as Troll from day three..

Balancing things over the Era would seem to be the function of the alliance, rather than individual player, who has to best cope with a tricky choice, early or late.

Then again, maybe I just want someone to take care of me... :)


18:49:05 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Dread:

best thing i could give you is a p0rn link. :S
or ofc advice, go out in a park nature wil take care of you ;)

pick one..


19:01:45 Aug 25th 09 - Ms. Caylaish:

farm, by deffinition, means sitting on a mass accumulation of resources........

right?

C.


(((edit: Dread - so wheres the link.....)))


19:54:54 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Dread:

00:38:19 Aug 26th 09 - Mr. Vuggy:

O MAN THATS SO HAWT


03:32:04 Sep 3rd 09 - Mr. Mafiaa:

@ dread... LOL u sick fuker is that u wen u wer younger?


22:10:53 Sep 3rd 09 - Mr. Dread:

im still like that. but no not my baby foto :P


23:14:37 Sep 3rd 09 - Mr. Roxbury:

You guys need to take into account all the features of the elf, and not just get stuck on their late game unit.

Elves have no counter for the OOP power of the troll hobs. When it comes to the mid round, elves have the most expensive offense of any race 228 gold per offense point for a rider, compared to 160 gold for a troll warlord. Since elf has to wait for magic sci, they will also lack the economy to support those expensive units, and eventually IF they survive long enough to get war sci.. you will rarely see an elf that has more than lvl 6 warsci.

A troll can easily get lvl 8 warsci, and a human could get lvl 9.. which means a 50-80% pure offense bonus until the elf reaches archmages and warsci, and a late game bonus of 20-30% raw offense bonus due to the extra levels of warsci these races will reach.

To sum it up, the elf is at a disadvantage in every stage of the game until the late game, where they gain a decent offense per cost, and some degree of free magic defense compared to other races. They are still behind 20-30% in raw offensive power due to their lack of high war sci levels however.

Elves are fun if you can make them work, but they remain a niche race.. far behind the powerful troll armies or the versatile humans.


23:48:20 Sep 3rd 09 - Sir Caradoc:

the fact that dwarfs upkeep are so high, its not really a good thing to have such a high economy. well it helps but your income gets destroyed by that income. so dwars = major suckage


11:09:34 Sep 4th 09 - Mr. Dread:

trolls have double science cost and they too stay around mil 6..


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