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you forgooot someoneee!

and people like might wouldnt be allowed in the room due to being annoying ;)

@cows: reporter bias, for every loudmouth there's 30 who read without posting.

First of all, being a newb means just that..."being a newb".  Those "obvious suggestions" are a good thing, because it shows that a player is trying to improve the game or is willing to understand why a certain article shouldn't be improved.  The "newb interest" is an important asset to ANY game, because without it, the game will eventually wither and die away.

Any "new player" has to learn and understand the game and the game will grow stronger if we encourage this and stop the flaming of new players.  If you think useless suggestions are bad and detract from the truly innovative ones, then suggest a way to fix this.  Perhaps a voting/rating system in some particular sub-forums?

Fellatio, like normal, your arguments are weak.  However, in this case, you are attacking that very essence that keeps a game alive and vital.  Can you please think of something positive to add?

@odysseus: why should someone have to write a three-paragraph response to "d00d there should be boats"? if the idea takes 30 seconds to invent, i don't like that the response should be significantly longer on a regular basis.

"If you think useless suggestions are bad and detract from the truly innovative ones, then suggest a way to fix this.  Perhaps a voting/rating system in some particular sub-forums?"
I did, others liked the idea. Zeta ignored me/us, and neither being a vet nor a mod helped. Your move.

Ms F, some people (I've heard) like to use these forums to get useful information and ideas.  Why do they have to wade through your page-long flames? Could Admin delete the above off-topic rant please so we can get back to the discussion in hand - Mr Might's list of who he respects and why?

IF:

NO, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the game and after seeing the same suggestion 100+ times it's getting to be slightly annoying..

AND:

Such suggestions have been made but ZeTa ignored all of them, like he does it 99% of good suggestions.

THEN

 Why in the world do you go to that part of the forum? Obviously Zeta is perfectly able to sift away the bad ideas and he doesn't have to insult anyone. In fact what business do you have with such an air of intelligence when really all you've achieved is many rounds playing an online game? Zeta passes what he wants and ignores the rest and you seem to just hate those threads. We don't need/want you there.

"ZeTa's ego prevents him from doing anything useful, if you kiss his ass for a bit and tell him how great he is you can have anything implemented....

ZeTa is so out of touch with the game and with what needs to be done that bad ideas are actually more likely to get implemented than good ones....

ZeTa can't tell a good idea from a bad one if it hits him in the face, so somebody has to do it....."

Whatever you believe, Ms F, it's Zeta's trainset not yours.  You pretty obvioulsy don't like the game so please do everyone a favour and follow your own advice (probably the only helpful thing you've written all era)......


don't like it? Quit.

Getting a little heated....

Mr. Might The God of Cows Report 1/8/2008 8:07:51 PM

I have played about 6 eras...I would say about 75% of the Fantasians are extremely arrogant *Cough*Osiris/Valar*Cough* and Revenge is a multi. I respect The Gladiator cause he recruited with surprising skill 0.o mostly extreme pestering. Fizban cause hes a fellow God.....Wizard. Erunion cause well WE ALL NEeD A FANCY PANTS ELF! Mielo cause he was nice to me today :D Erm...I don't respect Carnage nor PKS...Or the ones I met anyways

I AM NO DAM MULTI!!!
I HAVE NO DAM MULTIS!!!
SHUT UP AND GO SUCKLE ON SOMEONE ELSES ASS!!!

What a hilarious analogy, faulty, but hilarious.

1. MS actually is trying to make Office better, they might get things wrong, but they are trying. ZeTa on the other hand is a lazy ass that isn't interested only in the money he gets from the game.

2. Your problem is with Microsoft, not with Office. Only nitpicking Open Sourcers or a Mac fanboy would see inherent evil in anything Microsoft made. Office has good parts and bad parts, just like any program. As does VU, the only problem with VU is that the admin is unwilling to improve.

3. Believe me I've looked for a VU-like game, there isn't one.

4. Just because ZeTa is gaining more money since more people are playing does not mean he's doing anything right. He isn't. People just don't know of his huge ego and unwillingness to fix anything.

So tell me which one are you? Linux or Mac fanboy? You have to be one of them to write up that analogy.

"the problem with both of your arguements is that Zeta is a lone programmer with an outside job, microsoft and any other company have many people... i need say no more"

I'm unsure if this is true. I know for a fact that when he first made the game there were 3 guys that were coding and since than ZeTa has a tendency to talk in plural form as in: "We're trying to do this or that". But that's besides the point, even if ZeTa is alone that still doesn't mean he shouldn't have the willpower to try to fix things and neither do the improvements are that code heavy.

Changing magic by making more spells actually useful does not require that much coding, but it does require will to do it.

I did actually make some suggestions, this era even about how the game could be fixed. Did ZeTa even look at it? Highly doubtful, he didn't post in it anyway.

I'm not going to waste my time *beep*ing the same suggestion all over the place hoping ZeTa will actually read it once.

So tell me which one are you? Linux or Mac fanboy? You have to be one of them to write up that analogy.

Long time PC user (probably longer than you've been out of nappies* from the way you try to argue), starting with DOS 2.0, through all Windows versions to date, but also Linux and a little Solaris, Unix, Amiga OS and BBC (inc assembler)  for fun. 

So you'll be a "Computerz meenz windoze cuz Bill gates sez so and I can't handle nething harder than that" type then?


Oh, and Lord O, that was kinda the point I was trying to make - his game, his decisions.  And his work that keeps it going.





* Daipers for all you Americanos out there :P

"Long time PC user (probably longer than you've been out of nappies* from the way you try to argue), starting with DOS 2.0, through all Windows versions to date, but also Linux and a little Solaris, Unix, Amiga OS and BBC (inc assembler)  for fun."

What did I tell you about making assumptions?

"So you'll be a "Computerz meenz windoze cuz Bill gates sez so and I can't handle nething harder than that" type then?"

Hardly, but I'm not a Linux or Mac fanboy either, but I have used Linux and OS X. I just don't think everything Microsoft does is evil or that everything Apple does is a godsend.

"Oh, and Lord O, that was kinda the point I was trying to make - his game, his decisions.  And his work that keeps it going."

And how does the fact that he made the game protect him from criticism? If ZeTa would ask for a list of the major problems in the game and with a couple of possible ways to fix them I'd be the first one to post, but I've stopped wasting time trying to get him to see there's a problem.

"Would that be before or after you assumed I "have to be" a Linux or Mac fan-boy?  Or, if it comes to that, assumed that Zeta actually cares about what you think of the game?  Maybe he's got enough happy players for one who's so obviously up their own arrse about knowing how it "should be done" to not really matter to him? ;-)"

Oh I never said ZeTa cares about what I think, that's actually the problem. If he cared regardless of if he agreed or not he's do something, as it is he's just a lazy ass admin.

It's quite clear that he doesn't care about how it "should be done" if he did he'd at least be interested in finding out about it. Doesn't mean he'd agree with it.

But just like he doesn't care I can just flame him for stupidity and laziness, see how that works out?

"Would that be before or after you assumed I "have to be" a Linux or Mac fan-boy?"

The way you formed that analogy sounded exactly like a fanboy, I've seen enough to recognize one when I see it, just that in this case it might not be true is irrelevant.

Anyway this entire debate is irrelevant, I'll flame who I want when I want of what I want, if for no other reason except that it's fun. Don't like it? Don't post retarded suggestions. There is no such thing as "give respect", the entire concept is false.

BACK TO THE IMPORTANT STUFF!

I respect Soc for being a Freedom Fighter. I respect most of the FF peoples. I respect Odysseus for making valid arguments and actually giving proof to what he says. I respect Spoon for being a thing of importance. I respect Oya for being with me in times of need! [DON'T YOU DARE THINK WHAT IM THINKING YOUR THINKING!]

Pirate Lewatha Report 1/17/2008 7:15:52 AM

Wow, didn't believe I'd actually say this, but I agree with Cobra/Fellatio. This is just a game, if you're about to cut yourself over a suggestion of yours being flamed, you should definetly have a thought of what your life has become. Seeing boats as a suggestion, every era, sometimes even twice or three times. Could get pretty anoying! Note, I'm not saying that new players can't suggest stuff anymore. I'm just saying, that if they're too lazy to check down 10 threads, where the exact same idea is listed. They should be flamed

did u seriously miss my sarcasm? i never though i would see the day lew.........

thanks god u included the translation, i was confused! :p   *diapers* fyi

Mr. Might The God of Cows Report 1/17/2008 3:59:57 PM

BACK TO THE IMPORTANT STUFF! I respect Soc for being a Freedom Fighter. I respect most of the FF peoples. I respect Odysseus for making valid arguments and actually giving proof to what he says. I respect Spoon for being a thing of importance. I respect Oya for being with me in times of need! [DON'T YOU DARE THINK WHAT IM THINKING YOUR THINKING!]

thats the only reason u respect me?

i don't know what's changed, but once upon a time some players bought BTs on a pretty regular basis for explicit use against LGC. not only that, look at all the custom titles floating around.

"on a pretty regular basis"

i respect dead people ?

Hahahaha .. this from the guy that just suggested boats. This is just to ironic to even make fun of.

Indeed, nothing wrong with the same suggestion over and over and over and .... again, do not even think of feeling frustrated!

Neighter do I, except when they start using my name in their *beep*ed up ideas and start brambling crap :)

i see odysseus has discovered one of zeta's forum scripts.

the simplest reason that boats are bad is that water plays a huge role in terrain defense and being able to circumvent it with ANY ease makes virtually every map tactically useless.