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That's like zoolander's form of "Eulogy" lol

@Brainiac: No results found for aggorance: Did you mean Aggrace (in dictionary) or Ignorance (in reference)?

Ignorance... You are ignorant of the way he was talking to you. ;)

You cant sustain an economy that is based on only spending, it only works if you have China to buy up all your debt.

Then tell me how you can explain Obama's 1.2 trillion spending? Because that's just contradicting yourself by saying we can't have an economy that is based on only spending yet here Obama is trying to spend his way out of the recession, and your there supporting him. I mean really? Honestly?

You cant have 50 million uninsured people in a modern country, it costs more than is saves.

These numbers include illegal immigrants, and quite frankly those who CHOOSE not to buy any healthcare. And you know what it's not the governments job to make sure I take care of myself. It's not the governments job to make sure I have healthcare. It is my job as a responsible adult and citizen of the U.S. to take care of myself not anyone elses.

And who gives a frack about some F-22's? Your worrying about 1.7 billion dollars? Really? Cuz you know what that doesn't amount to what Obama has already spent, and plans to spend so get your head out of your ass.

Republicans have no understanding of these issues, so there is no viable alternative to Obama.

Then tell me how Reagan did it? How did Reagan pull us out of the 70's slump? Carter obviously wasn't affective...

And there is an alternative to Obama, but obviously there is not point in arguing this point since he is already President...

Only way outs another world war.....who wants to start it this time?

No, don't even dare compare republicans and democrats from eras past to modern day Republicans and Democrats. I have respect for democrats of the past because they stood for the real American dream.... not this fucked up piece of shit dream where we need to spread the wealth. As everyone knows life isn't fair, and not everyone gets to be rich.

Vuggy this isn't something about Republicans verus Democrats, but when ever has there been a time when spending got you out of the hole?

Three trillion dollars? The war in Iraq has not costed 3 trillion dollars, but it's getting closer and closer to a trillion.

Why is everyone blaming bush? Bush this, bush that. Stop blaming ONE politician for everything. What about congresses share? What about the other people? Sure you can blame a president, but you cannont ever blame them 100% because it is congresses job as part of checks and balances. You can blame bush for the war, but I know I could never do that 100%. I blame the congress men/women members who gave the president the power to do what we did. It is not the presidents job to choose whether we fight a war, that's suppose to be congresses job. Although yes I still give part of the blame to bush, but you can never blame one man for everything because why is it so many supported the war in the first place? I mean sure once we found out there were no WMD's I'd definitely be mad, but what is with people just thinking we can just up and leave? You don't just go in destroy a country and say "sorry, well next time we'll be better". You fix the problem you created, and stay as long as needed. We owe them that much.....

It was also a republican who brought us out of the 70's slump care to comment?

But then I ask you how can you blame bush because it is BOTH parties fault for deregulating the very things which were meant to stop this. People who got loans and shouldn't have, did. This then started to create a bubble  because everyone was getting a loan and was just making it worse this isn't the work of a bad president, but it is what happens when you allow free markets to be unregulated. This wasn't just deregulation in bush's presidency, but over a few decades of deregulation.

And I do admit Bush wasn't one of our best, but of the few not the worst. So from a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being the worst, I give him a 2 or 3

Also tbh I didn't vote for bush, or the democratic party during those years, because I think there are good qualities in both parties, but just neither of them fits me...

ugg I don't want even re-read any of this so i'm sure there are plenty of mistakes but w/e...  

and fort knox is only second compared to another place with holds about 400 more metric tons of gold, but i'll let you guys figure out what that other place is in the US...

haha Havnt you had enought cowboys in the white house.. still dreaming for more hahaha... who knows maybe 20 years from now people are gonna dream bush back..

I'm no republican follower, Rush Limbaugh is too far right for my liking.

Lol, I can complain because you fucking know what Roxbury my mom works in the insurance industry she provides low cost insurance to employers for instance she covers schools, businesses across the country, and even has some clients in other countries, but she doesn't work for some big company either, it's rather small maybe 20-50 employees. Alright and the plans they offer are going to be TAXED wth? How are they suppose to provide cheaper insurance plans if the plans they offer are getting taxed. For every employee they have under a plan they have to pay 2 dollars in taxes. Now that may not sound like a lot, but it is because then they have to pass on that cost, and that's just ridiculous with the amount of people they cover also. And don't tell me to accept that reform because have you read the bill? Have I, no because you know what it would take a very long time to finish reading the dam bill, but I do know some of what is in it, plus I just don't have that kind of time to read it...

What's Obama going to leave with? An even bigger amount of deficit, an economy which doesn't allow companies to fail like they should, a country where the government has more control than ever. That's is why people didn't want bush because the government was big under him, and Obama is just making it bigger. Obama isn't doing what he said he would, and sure he does have another 3 more years to fuck up so we'll see.

And obviously his "open hand" to countries like North Korea and Venezuela isn't working. This is just like with Hitler, and Stalin if you keep letting them do it there just going to keep doing it. No one stopped Hitler in poland, and if they had maybe WWII wouldn't have been as bad as it had. When Stalin cut off supplies to West Berlin, we instead forced the enemy to give up and lift the blockade, with the airlift going 24 hours a day. North Korea continues to test and fire missiles how do we stop it? Well, it's not my job to figure that one out, but you could either continue with what is not working, attack (somewhat like destroying the missiles before they launch), or come up with something like the solution in Berlin peaceful, and at the same time beating the Russians, well in this case it would be N Korea.... 

Yes, I understand that and it isn't, but the spending he is doing right now is his fault. Whether or not he is trying to fix a problem.

I'm assuming that's sarcasm.

How can anyone expect these companies continue to survive? They would have failed otherwise and they should have because the point of a free market and capitalism is basically survival of the fitest. The fitest will survive and prosper while those that fail will continue to fail because they cannot and will not adapt.

It was sarcasm. And I couldn't understand any of that. xD except for 'We are living in america'. I'm assuming that was in a different language? :P

Now did I get something wrong, but I think the main idea of the health care reform is to SAVE money. USA spends currently about 2.5 trillion per year to health care being very inefficient, and the Obama's program might cost some more for short period of time. But after the reform is done, USA would start to save a lot. Probably the main difference would be that the employers would have to start to pay a part of the common health care. Probably the big corporations over there are lobbying a lot against it, and the conservatives (being lead by the lobbyists) feed propaganda to the ppl, so the ppl would start to oppose the change as being too expensive. The same politicans lead your coutry to war, that are now trying to stop Obama's plans.

I live in Europe and I'm rather happy with the "socialized" health care system most countries here have. The system in which you have to pay for every doctor visit, and try to figure out how much your insurance pays for it etc... it's very bureucratic (lots more paper work) and sounds inhuman to me, since ppl without money nor insurance (the 50+ million) cannot visit doctor at all.

You should check this out as well:
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/14/ten-things-you-might-not-know-about-socialized-medicine/

Wow, did someone actually think we still had a gold standard? Thats laughable....

Everyone do yourself a favor and Google Zeitgeist, listen to it, but fact check too, there are semantics at play

My opinion on healthcare is that insurance companies should exist and it should be the responsibility of the individual to purchase a insurance provider (like car insurance for example). Take it out of the hands of businesses and people will have more money in their paychecks. Medicare (for the elderly) and Medicaid (for the needy) are good programs, but regulations can make these more effective. I for one, support drug testing for anyone receiving money from the government (in the form of healthcare, or Welfare, or gov't employee, military and politicians included). The gov't need not provide insurance to people who can provide for themselves.

The Iraq war is a mess and has been run terribly inefficiently. Post-WWII the US set-up a government in Japan, similarly to what we wish we could do in Iraq. The fact is that it is possible, but not my area of expertise. Afganistan is just as bad. This issue requires the UN. That organization has waning respect though and this could be their hot-button issue to regain that.

Obama's spending is a huge problem, mark my words it will kick-off the highest inflation in this country's history and the value of the dollar will go the way of the peso. To counteract this, look for legislation on a new form of currency, the amero, that will combine Mexico, US, and Canada together. (my personal favorite conspiracy theory).

Gold standard was what we were on till William Bryan Jennings gave his "Cross of gold" speech... He made an ENTIRE campaign out of it and almost won despite the fact that he took no other issues into consideration. Then we switched to silver standard which is why are coins are not gold-colored

There is no standard. Reserve banks around the world control the money. None of these banks are controlled by any of the countries they are in.

All printed money is legal tender. This means printed money is its own security.

Actually, I think we should go back to copper standard.
Either that or go over to imperial credits. First thing I would do if that happened was buy me one of these with my credit card:

you would buy that sexy outfit?

I would do it for you peng! With that on you cannot resist my bum any longer!

i didnt actually mean to say we were on a gold standard. I know we are on a fiat system.

Just trying to explain to whoever it was that fort knox is not america's secret stash of gold waiting to bail us out

 in the recent coup in honduras, all world leaders supported the rebels but chavez (crazy venezuelian dictator) castro (crazy cuban dictator) ortega (crazy nicaraguan dictator) and obama ... (crazy american not-dictator-yet?)

So, who wants to talk about Acorn?

Arius, there's pretty much nothing in your post that checks out. First off all neither Chavez or Ortega are dictators in any sence and secondly pretty much the entire world has condemned the coup including the UN and EU.

he looks quite cool with that hair..