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1. Dont be to sure about that, England had concentration camps in the 1950's. The Holocaust does not prove they would have kileld billions. England and france was just as bad with their imperialism and race ideology as Germany.

2. How can you compare rich educated people from Europe and the United states with simple peasents in palestina? There is to much expectations on simple misstreated people.

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4. You confuse companys with a base in America with the American Nation, they dosnt neccesary got to have a connetion. The US oil companies are making HUGE profits because of the Iraq and Afghanistan war. The military industry makes huge profits selling weapons to the american goverment for unnecesary wars, and companies like Haliburton takes the rest of your tax money. Oil and weapon companies makes such huge profits they are ruling the world and can tell the goverments what to do.

5. Ok.

6. The people of southern Iraq is not a homogen group, and maybe they dont get to share the profit like the Kurds.

7. You took half of Mexico for yourself, you took several Indian tribes lands for yourself. Just because a nation dont use your flag dosnt mean you dont have the power in thoose nations.

I know very well what the Monroe doctrine was, It allowed the latin american nations to drive of teh spanish and portugese. But what I ment with it was how USA came to think they could do anythign in the american continents. Pinochet is a good example. There was alot of dictarships in Southern and central america with support from the USA.

8. k.

9.  Again, you fool yourself by  thinking that because a nation dont have american flags you dont control a nation. You Control alot of nations by planting facist west friendly dictators in them, and theese guys lets your(ours) companies suck the nations dry of raw materials in exchange for continued support. Look at Uzebekistan, south korea was the same, you planted a facist dictator there.

For some direct ansvers to ur question: You took lands from the Spanish in the spanish-american war. At the russian revoluion you attacked Soviet.

To end it, I dotn really hate america. You have alot of good people over there. Western europes politics are almost as bad as urs but not to many see that. We talk about how bad your wars are but our companies sell loads of weapns to you and gett well rich.

So you agree to the fact that Japan was willing to make peace as long as they could keep their emperor. And then, just to try your new weapon you said; no peace and nuked 2 cities flat out. THEN you made peace and let the emperor stay.

A person i know got parents in Iraq, they say that nowdays the police arrests random people in the streets, and if you or your relatives lack sufficient funds you go to jail. This never happend under Saddam. I am not saying that Saddam is a nice fellow but its gotten worse since he got dethrowned.

One nice thing is the new law that will(has?) pass that makes torture legal in the united states. Thats a good one too! I agree with Ghouma, your people fight the war the companies reap the rewards.

There was no peace to be made with Japan. It was unconditional surrender. Which means put down your gun put your hands up and do as i say. Japan had no intentions of ever doing that.

It was a choice, millions of american, and Japanese lives in a long bloody land war, or drop a bomb. The world was alreay war tired, and needed to rebuild. The bomb was in development by axis powers as well, so we got to it first. Another case of blame US for helping in world conflict.

"I have faith I will eat dinner tonite, does that make my food holier than thou?"

It gives you the feeling that there is something to strife for and life is not senseless and that doing good without getting something back is not a "worthless deed".

Hyde, that is why Atheist got higher morals then theists. We dont need the threat of going to hell to do good. We do it to do good. In america Christains make up 70% of the population and take up 70% of the jail cells. Atheists and agnostics make up 10%, and take up 0.4% (edit: of the prision cells).

So religion fails in morals.

(Edited by Mr. Ghouma 10/11/2006 6:45:26 PM)

japan chose to enter the war allied to the germans and plus they were responsible for pearl harbor.wut now that the tables were turned and they wanna bak out like babies were supposed to blow it off

Asesino, you were not the good guys in the drama with Japan, remember you attacked them earlier (forst) to force them to change their islationist politics?

so therefor its ok to occupy palestine and make life for the palestinians a living hell?

Mr. Asesino 10/11/2006 10:31:37 PM

japan chose to enter the war allied to the germans and plus they were responsible for pearl harbor.wut now that the tables were turned and they wanna bak out like babies were supposed to blow it off

Uhm...yes. Yes, we were supposed to blow it off. That's the thing about surrender--or don't you care about that?

Just so everyone knows where I come from, I'm an agnostic in an extremely Christian and Republican (or are they becoming synonimis?) state in the US. People here are not very tolerant of others, and are ready to jump down the world's throat--just like everyone in this thread is. We could debate these points day and night--and I love a good political debate--but we'll never get anywhere.

However, something much more alarming for all of us US citizens--HABEUS CORPUS--The Great Writ--has been viciously murdered by President Bush and his anti-Brain Trust.

For those not so well versed in the Bill of Rights, Habeus Corpus deals with the right to know why you're going to prison. THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHY YOU'RE GOING TO PRISON. If Habeus Corpus is dead, can we lull ourselves into the false sense of security that perhaps the rest of the Bill is intact? Bah! Are you kidding me?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xUzUljH8EHU Watch this and tell me you aren't scared to death.

with ya Smuff:)

Hello, I am an American. I do not hate Europe nor think they are deficient in anyway. Of course, I do have some arrogance that comes with being American, having been beat into us through society, but I try to look past this. Now, you all accuse America of this and that, but only a few have used the right term for it: The ADMINISTRATION! The public at most times, doesnt even know most of the issues going on, because either a) they arent informed or dont bother to look it up or b) we are lied to by the government. And another point, people say how we can change it. Bullcrap. Only if immense amounts of emails from people from all across the states will cause them to, for example, stop the antagonizing of N.K. for example. And most of us don't bother, or don't care enough to.


I would like to do something about Bush, especially with that Habaeus Corpus right and basically 9 out of 10 bill of rights amendments getting annihilated because of it. To any who don't watch the video, Corpus is basically having the right to ask, "Why am I in jail?" Anyways, I will say my society, government, etc, is not perfect, in fact far from it. It is about high time America struggled with  it's problems, the poverty, social security, all that good stuff. However, Europe has done many things too, and is having problems of their own, we just don't hear about it as much.

And a word about the media, it is a corrupt, crap-ridden beast that needs to be shot and then fixed. For example, we have two stories, one about a child who painted something for an American soldier and helped them around the camp, or we can post the vicious rapings of a 10-year-old. Oh wait, to add more ratings, let's make it a six-year-old. Yes, that will get us great ratings! Hail Satan! *cough cough* As you can see I despise the media. As much as we hate to actually do work, we Americans need to get up off the couch and research the subjects we talk about, as Hyde and several others have in certain subjects. We are no perfect, as I have said. But so aren't a lot of people and we need to ge off our high horses and maybe starting advocating what we believe in, instead of this racial/societal hatred bullcrap.

And, to the guy who posted something about this being predicted...I am all for God and any religion since you have that right, I find it utterly ridiculous that some book can possible predict this. It is quite literally impossible. but anyways, just had to say something, I am done. Go on ahead with the thread, be it hate or actually some good debate. It's up to you guys to continue the hate and etc. Hyde, Foghorn, you guys and the others who's names I cannot remember but you know who you are, good quotes and nice job keeping the hate to a minimum. If you wish to challenge my stance, please do, I will defend myself as best as I am able. Though, you do have years on me Hyde, I am only 17.

~Commander Kael

just to clarify... When we nuked japan the negotiations were off the table.... when they hit pearl harbor was when we were in the so called negotiations in which they incoincedently decided to bomb/suicide on pearl harbor... look it up don't be dumb....

 as for the torture in iraq... i was there in 2005 with the 168th inf.. they had torture before just as they do now... only reason it is being talked about is because pictures on the news...

 saying all americans think themselves as gods is plain outright ridiculous.. thats so stereotypical its not even funny. "most" americans don't give a rats ass about what happens, but that does not mean they think they are gods.. its called free speach free thinking.. what the usa was made from....and you really can't have a opinion of another country unless you have been there

. and as for putting fascist leaders into power. the usa has always allowed a "fair" democratic vote to happen. as with afghanistan and iraq.. 

and finally more people dead in vietnam then in ww2 from the germans? highly doubt it.... if you believe that... i am guessing you beleive everything on the news to??? news stations lie more then politics....

I just wanted to say - its not that i hate all americans. No, definately not. I hate the attitude that some have. And how the administration behaves towards the rest of the world.

These are my last words here. Blaming each other does not lead anywhere.

Man I told myself I would stay away from this thread. Its really not worth talking to a wall.

Ghouma, I have no clue where you get your info, but its as crazy as much of what I heard in this thread.

In the mid-19th century Japan was "opened" by the Americans, whose warships landed in Tokyo harbor with a demand that the ruling shoguns unlock Japanese trade for American capitalists. This led to the "Meiji restoration," in which the shoguns were displaced by a modernizing regime under the newly restored emperor. Japan quickly learned the rules of modern colonialism, and soon became a rival power to the Europeans and the Americans, threatening the already-claimed colonies in Southeast Asia and establishing new ones in China. Japan did what every colonial power of the 19th century did, what all "modern industrialized" nations did: invaded and plundered the resources of weaker countries.

I dont really call that attacking japan in the 19th century, granted we installed new regime, but WHAT western country wasnt doing that at the time? We are giving hell for using the bomb, but if japan, or Germany had used it first, then yes it woulda been ok, why? Because its WAR, you may not like it, or agrre with it, but your opinion cont matter over the 4 billion others that were somehow involved in one way or another.

Japan was not gonna surrender unconditional, they were not gonna give up land they had ins asia, or anywhere else in the south pacific.

So your saying it would have been a better idea, to have a long, drawn out land invasion of japan, where millions of Allied troops have to die, along with the enemy population?

Because in war the goal is to kill the enemy, and survive yourself, right?  I mean, please enlighten me if im wrong. So we did what ANY other country would have done, we spared our own allied lives with an invention sure to win us the war.

Toture in Iraq is only in the news for one reason, and one reason only. The anti-US media. They feel they cant report whatever crap they want. Here is a perfect example that was release yesterday.

Iraq death toll since war started.

US figures - 50, 0000 dead
International Media org. - 650,000 dead

Do you want to know where they got the numbers? American got it by counting actual bodies. Int. media got it, by asking around and talking with the iraq people.

Thats the exact same anti-US BS we have to put up with, and its running rampant in this thread.

Someone posted in this thread, the reason he hates americans in because we think we are God. I ignored his ignorant statement.

45% of the US population believes the world is 10k years old. Where did you pull that one from, gotta be another one of those US friendly world media giants right?

So your saying if the people in those counties didnt vote they were not gonna eat?

Ghouma smarten up, wheres your common sense. You can't actual believe we would starve a country for not voting. You're friggin high dude.


Ghouma a page or 2 back, you said you were going to proove me wrong about a bunch of points I made, you have yet to do so, and your posts are getting weaker and weaker.

As a Chemical/Medical engineer let me enlighten you as to what causes hate in a person.

Jealousy is a strong human emotion, and it cause a chemical reaction in a persons brain. The exact same chemical reaction is also the reason for hate.

90% of hate is breed from being jealous. This is a study out of Hong Kong, not an american study.

To Mr. Memememe good post, and Thank you for your service, you have my respect.



(Edited by Mr. Foghorn Leghorn 10/12/2006 1:15:46 PM)

Love, dude. Wake up man.

You really think we are in Iraq toturing people and getting a giggle out of it? Your one *beep*ed up individual to even consider that, and it prooves you know nothing about the US, or its people.

Under Saddam there was Law and Order, hmm I guess your right if being scared every second of every day for your life for no reason then sure.

Im my 32 years alive, living, going to school, and working here I have never once heard any group say retarded crap like that..

So the general view as you understand it is dead wrong. Take it from one who lives here and not reading some swedish anti US proganda. Oh wait you seen it on a cartoon dan, I must be wrong.

Not a man of figures, but with regards to some of the posts above:
1) Americans did open the trade doors to Japan by landing war ships there.

2) Shoguns are generals, but they still have respect for the Emperor, who were there all the time. It is just that the military power was with the shoguns. During the Meiji Restoration, the Emperor was not empowered like the President of the US. In other words, the Japanese politicians used the respect of the Emperor to start the Pacific War. After the war, US did help, in a very big way, in restoring the economy of Japan.

3) The ex-European colonies inherited the system of government from their former masters. Some of them are good students, the rest were not so good students. Look at India and Malaysia, who were the good students.

4) Back to the subject of Korea. China and Korea had very patchy relationships with each other since the ancient days. They can be peaceful for a few decades, then war will start again. It was during the communist revolutions and WWII that China and Korea became very close to one another. Then, the war between Communist Korea and Capitalist Korea started. US stepped in to help South Korea (which was run by a dictator then, I think), while China sided, obviously, with the North.

5) With regards to the wars fought or supported by US, as least those after WWII and before the first Gulf War, it is a known fact that US fought them for trade purposes. South Vietnam, Taiwan and South Korea were never democracies to start with. The US companies needed growing economies to buy their technologies which were fast becoming obselete in the US. Japan alone was not enough. History will tell that US lost Vietnam, never broke the deadlock in Korea and trying to be neutral for Taiwan. The only prime shining trophy is Japan. But then, as history will state as well, 2 atomic bombs were the cost for Japan's current economy. No amount of money will replace the lives lost there, and most of them lost in the most horrifying way. (But then again, the Japanese Army did a lot of horrible things as well...the US should had nuked the Japanese Army, not the peaceful folks...)

6) However, the countries that US did help to build post WWII, all of them managed to boom. South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are good examples. Though, I have to add, the technologies transferred to them were not state of the art, not that they can use or comprehend anyway. Of course, not to take away credit from the South Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese, they did, and are still, putting a lot of hardwork in.

(Edited by Sir Pupilous 10/12/2006 2:48:52 PM)

haha :D

bush sucks...thats all i got to say now

You are saying Israel is defending itself from being occupyed, Prubor?

In fact they are the occupyers. They have the strongest military in the area, not especially threatened in other words.

Civilisator> It is true that Israel has one of the strongest military in its area. If they aren't so, there wouldn't be a state of Israel today... Look back and see the wars that they fought, one nation against many, fighting on multiple fronts.

Occupied terrorities were gained during Yom Kippur war, Six Days War, Lebanon Wars.
Palestine attack first and in turn got overrun, self rule given to PA in return for peace, that did not go anywhere, the peace roadmap is now a distant memory., Senai Desert taken from Eygpt and returned to Eygpt for a peace deal (recognition of the rights for the state of Israel to exist).
Golan Height taken from Syria, offered to return for a peace deal but rejected.

Israel is not defending from being occupied but being totally eliminated, that is how their people feel. Israel politics is very diverse and the different political groups could hardly ever agree on a single thing, however, when their state is being threaten, they would all stand united to face the crisis. Crisis over and they would be back at it....

I do not fully agree with how Israel handle the Palestine issue, the constant conflict is disappointing,

Several years back, Arafet turn down Israel when Israel agree to almost all his request and decided to remain as it is. Palestine had self-rule for many years now, but what has it achieve so far? Really nothing much to show, if they were willing to grow their economy instead of fighting, their people would be in a better situtation today. Thus can't say it is all Israel's fault.

Now back to the regular program of North Korea's Nukes....
North Korea has continue to perform nuke test, however that is a major mistake. To grow their economy and stop US from placing more sanction on them, they should instead perform nude test, that why they could show US that they truely are democratic, freedom to expess themselve in the buff is the ultimate democracy.

No you are not responsible of the nuke on hiroshima. But if you are an american and defend the nuclear bombing of Japan i might use the term "you".  Yes there is nothing wrong with undconditional surrender, but there is nothing wrong with simple peaceterms. All of the terms that was established AFTER the occupation of Japan would more then likely been accepted by the Emperor(the one who wanted peace the most, tho not the one with the absolute power).

I think that by nuking not one but 2 innocent cities you are practically doing the same thing that Japan did in Nanking. Killing innocent people for no apparent reason whatsoever except that its fun.

All sources point out that the only nation in the western world that got people actually beliving(more then 1% of the pop) in creationism is the United states. That does not mean that 55% percent that do not belive in it are stupid and ignorant. 45% of the pop that belives in it do so because of their family and their education. Nobody gets born beliving *beep*.

When we are born we are all the same, small evil mother*beep*ers who want to survive and get tons of attention. You have to be taught how to be a good citizen and a good person and all of that crap.

Now we have fundamentalists here in Europe too, but in NO WAY the amount that exists in the United states.

exactly pyron.

The only thing I really have to say is LMAO about the swedish television not being anti american.... Almost all news stations in the world are or have some degree of political propaganda.... You cant even beleive the death toll figures for iraq any more... BTW if I recall there was a european nation who said the US death toll for soldiers was higher then it was at one point.  Just because you are a ally of the US does not mean your news stations don't report BS or mislead the truth... The media makes money off of getting people to watch their shows/news they won't get many viewers by not reporting on people getting blown up shot or dead with the war in iraq.... Its been proven that society now adays would rather hear about death then of a kitten stuck in a tree... I sincerely hope none of you take the media as full truth..

And about the whole Japan thing...  If I recall they did attack us during WW2 during peace treaties... We merely ended the fight before it got any worse...  Not to mention again japan attacked during peace negotiations... Matter of fact pearl harbor happened almost 2 hours after japan ceased the negotiations that day..  Sooo the nuke was not dropped when japan wanted peace.

prubor...i had said things about N.korea and im not about to repeat myself 50 times to get people on the topic... WICH PEOPLE SHOULD BE ON RIGHT NOW...:p

Ok, let's say we give everyone a free nuke and everyone wants to live a normal happy life. Result: peace and harmony.

2. There is only one person in the world with a nuclear bomb. Result: Let's all salute our dear leader and legitimate ruler "Owner of the Nuclear Bomb"

3. Everyone's got nukes and some of us are pissed off and suicidal. Result: bad

4. Nobody has nukes and we all live happily ever after.

Conclusion: Since we can't make people give up their toys we'll have to reduce the amount of people that feel they have nothing to loose.

I'd that the best way to achieve this is by minding your own business, not occupying other peoples countries, not supporting dictatorships and not demanding money from people that have none.