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omg you are sooooooooooooo dumb, the #1 kd in Fantasia 2/3 are dwarves, so thier military CAN'T be bad. 2nd Orc is not that strong, Troll is definatly stronger, BUT Orc does have the surprise these days, but troll and orc and elf incomes should be atleast 3, I was elf for 3 eras, each era I had from 2mill-5 mill income, and I didn't attack anyone (was mage) So thier income isn't worse then halflings, or trolls, or orcs, they basically have the same income, Human income is higher since they can upgrade thier sciences much easier then the other races. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
If you would have read my post instead of beeing an ignorant and brainless *beep* you would have seen that i am saying that it has to do with PERSONAL TASTE. But noo u just "Go cavemasters go!" | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well this is NOT MADE for PERSONAL TASTE, it is made to help newbs find the better races, or the races that suit them, not only you.
Is this better Azaruc? I thought to increase human military since thier lvl 3 is 11/11 (Edited by Sir Fafnir 9/10/2006 12:51:31 AM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
wait, how is troll magic better than dwarf? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
well then | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Troll magic is good because the mages cost just 35 gold each and have one OP. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
well then thats attack strength and not magic strength | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yes, but it makes it more favorable to train mages and have lots of them in your army. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
according to fafnir's new list, elf military is worse than human. i think that's totally wrong. the elf has ghosts where the human has swordsmen. elven archers are much better on defense while just slightly more expensive than human ones. for the upper tier the elf has archmages compared to the lame human catapult (lame compared to it's price). the only military advantage of the human is mounted units - knights are good but are also more expensive than riders. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
i found dwarf magic better than troll. You needed thousands more troll shamans and dwarfs sciences were better. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
how do the races compare to each other now? after all the recent improvements i mean | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I personaly love ork i can make Nazguls wich are 150/150 i got a army size of the three dots (will update when i find out) so ppl think im a threat and BOOM take over a few citys with it for they under estamate my size also orks can have HUGE armys but their regular infentry is weak. I like the ork for their range of military units. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What production / science bonuses do the races get? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
yeah what mr. Zec said elves are better then humans and they should be best in magic *they are born magicians* they have a archmagician two spell caster units with a 6/6 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Bah,all this are just subjective opinions and useless.For example i think orcs have by far the best military(at least x2 better then trolls) and dwarfs make the best mage race since all the usefull spells are lvl 4 or below,and with the massive dwarf income bonus(including good use of cavemasters) dwarfs can pump massive amounts of MU's thus making them the best,not worst,magic using race. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
my favorite is human, because it is well rounded, and easy to use. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I say this. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I say you have no idea what you're talking about, Metacom. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dwarf has better military b/c of huge economy, same goes with magic. Orc has better economy then troll b/c no need to waste extra land on huge amounts of homes in armoury city and same with peasants. Obviously not balanced. (Edited by Mr. Ignis The Walker 3/31/2007 4:59:11 AM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
that doesn't look right at all. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
No it doesn't look right. People really shouldn't make these race sheets unless they have a good grasp and knowledge of the game and races. Stating the race sheets are like that is very misleading.
Humans have one of the better militaries going. It's magic is pretty decent, humans have the bonus of buying goods cheaper than their selling price, making better gains StG wise when used with stones. Economicly average, but if the cheaper stone bonus is used effectively with StG, humans have a fairly good economy. Elf has a good military. Best level 1 units coming OOP, and the best late game units once a high level magic and military science has been reached. For magic, it's pretty good, has the cheap magic sciences which mean they're able to progress magicly much faster. Economicly, their decent. With StG they can do a lot better. Dwarf military is sub par on its own, but when coupled with their monstrous economy, they're strong militarily. Magicly too, they're pretty decent so long as they have the economic powerhouse and pez trains behind them. Economicly, they're the best by far. Halfling, poor military, average magic, average economy. The only good thing about halfling is their cheap troop costs for their respective levels, meaning their end round score is much higher than most others would be, but in terms of actual playing ability, they're terrible. Orc, their military is pretty good, although they don't have allied upkeep in towns meaning the only productive unit for them is naz, which takes some time to establish with the big armouries, and their unit strength isn't anything to be overwhelmed by. Magicly, they're decent, StG is probably required to make them useful with the naz and low land size to make naz production efficient. Economicly, they're decent. Troll, decent military, zerks losses in battle can be a pain late game though. Magic is pretty good too, the cheap MUs come in handy for heavy StGing, their economy isn't all that great, but couple it with StG like the others, and benefits can be reaped. (Edited by Mr. Hungrier Horse 3/31/2007 2:27:13 PM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
what? Human military is horrible, and halfing's military is better than that. (6/4 for 500.) Halfing's can often make a lot when there's high food demand and orc only needs 5k armouries....(for nazguls) Edit: Saying that human military is on par with elf, orc, and troll is VERY misleading. (Edited by Mr. Ignis The Walker 3/31/2007 3:27:34 PM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I trust my judgement better than yours, as I actually know what I'm talking about. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
If you take late game into consideration then Halflings aren't that good since they have no unit past 8 OP meaning you would have to train a whole lot to get the same strength as someone else, but with a whole lot more upkeep. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Since when his human military good on it's own? Yes, with stg usage they can compare, but by itself the military is horrible. Knight's are bad, cata's extremely bad. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Humans are good on their own if you compare them to that of other races. They are clearly better than dwarves and halfers, and are relatively better than elves mid-game (which elves can't realisticly compete at as an attacker, having not attained very high mil/mage yet for effective AMs), so they squeeze in quite well at four stars. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That's stupid. There's no need to land drop at all, that's like saying all other races have to land drop too, b/c all other races have worse units than orc except for archmages. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mr. Hungrier Horse
(Edited by Mr. Metacom JR 4/2/2007 10:57:11 PM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s69/mike2977625/AlmostTHEEND.jpg (Edited by Mr. Metacom JR 4/2/2007 11:22:28 PM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
God,that Metacom guy really is stupid and clueless...anyhow I would like to thank Swifty for the time he took to make his analysis in this thread,and to admit that he is the only one making a valid point in here,as he covers all the aspects of the game including basic unit costs,unit cost related to land,early-mid-late era differences,sciences and more things I forgot to mention. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
i agree with Andrei Hungrier Horse made the best sheet | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
i think that humans are the best | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
orcs best in begining and end, since there troop don't need much of training and ready in a few turn | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
HOW DO YOU BECOME A SQURRIL? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
what a squrril??? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The way I see it is: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
but dont you end up paying more in magic levels for archmages than just armouries and training price for Nazguls? just make more nazgul at the begnning... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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here is how i see it | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Aden? Interesting name....are you by any chance the Aden who was Kingdom if Heaven so many eras ago? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
why halfling so crap, they are no! economy wise they make so much food its ridiulous and adventurers find stuff to help, military wise they ahve inivsible socuts whihc is a great help to any kingdom, get you facts straight people, if thye were that abd id naver use them but i always do | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"As for halflings? Absolutely terrible race, the worst of all. As I said in my previous message, the only reason halfling is ranked so highly is because of end scores having a large factor of the type of troop used. Catapults, archies, naz, caves, zerks and advents all use the same endscore point figure, meaning the cheaper units (advents and caves) give an unrealisticly higher score. Otherwise, halflings are completely useless ingame."
and yet twice now ive managaed to killl troll orc human armies with ease :P | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
perchance i might be. i say the halflings are so bad cause i defeated a halfling army at 100% morale and 50000 troops with 100 nazguls and so what if they get lots of food after four 24 hour days i get about 1 mill of each resource form each of five cities being an orc. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
so your saying that this far into the era(about 3/4 days), you can match sheer numbers of halfling and are not running low on food, can you afford a 5k army already, seriosuly i know i could | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
halfling is only useful for scouts ;) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
there advs are better than an orcs ogre, so theyre not completely bad | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
yeah but naz kill them easily | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
if you factor in price the adv is almost as good as the nazgul, and i think the adv ability adds a bit to their usefulness, whereas the nazguls ability is useless, unless you like your nazguls crispy | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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