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Wouldn't it be conveinient if jesus had been a roman. Jesus preached of peace and acceptance in a time when the jews were becoming violent in their actions. If jesus had been succesful then the romans might have preserved the peace and continued their rule. severla questions might have come from this like why he was crucified and how he came back? 1. he was crucified to prove the point that if you repented it was possible to get away with just about anything. If this was true than a roman that had killed a jew would just have to repent in the christin manner than he would be saved. 2. twins might have been around then. wouldn't it be easy to find a pair of twins than fit some of the prophesies and then sum him up to be a great prophet himself. preaching of all the things talked about in the jewish bible. you switch his twin with him every now and then so that it would be accepted for slight improvements in apperance. 3. jesus would have been the perfect spy. people would trust him and so he would learn of jewish plots and schemes. All of this makes very good political sense if you think about it for a while. If it was true how might that affect the religon that came forth or the world in general | ||||
I respect your point of view, and has decided to not think about it, not more then I had to to write this post. | ||||
Indeed, I have to completely disagree, seeing as there is much evidence to thte fact that Jesus was Armenian. | ||||
Your both wrong, Jesus is the Mexican that lives down the road with the low rider. | ||||
Nuh uh. Jesus was from Kentucky. Look at his parents, Mary and Joe. >_< | ||||
I'm on the same page as Argyle with this one. I could debate, but I doubt, after reading what I read here, that it would be helpful in any way. | ||||
jesus never existed, nor did mohammed, just tools to control the ignorant peasantry ... | ||||
And Bhudda, and Konfucius? What about the pope, does he exist? It's not about whether they existed, it's almost 100% historically proven that they did. It's about whether they existed divinely or as simple teachers. | ||||
1. its confucious not konfucius 2. Maat hit my point skightly. and so did rhade. it has been proven that they exist. what im saying is that it makes lots of sense to say that jesus was just an orsinary man that preached what he thought was good and right. #. the majority of the bible was written by pagans anyway. the council of nicea at like 300ad decided which books were to go in the bible. how the hell is that book supposed to prove anything if pagans decided what was going in it | ||||
exactly, it's just used for demagogy. | ||||
#. the majority of the bible was written by pagans anyway. the council of nicea at like 300ad decided which books were to go in the bible. how the hell is that book supposed to prove anything if pagans decided what was going in it.
Name a single pagan that actually wrote a book of the bible.
The council of Nicaea took place in 325 AD and invited to this meeting were 1800 of the Christian churches bishops, which was all of them at the time. Somewhere between 250 and 318 actually showed up and there are accounts of different numbers ranging inside of those to parameters. These representatives were from all over, not just form one area, so the thoughts and ideas were diversified. And, though I have heard it before, I'm not entirely sure that the distinguising of the books of the bible was actually decided at Nicaea. The agenda of the meeting was this: The agenda of the synod were:
I've searched for other places saying that it was decided soemwhere else but I can not find any evidence. So, I cant say for sure, however you 3rd claim was just blown out of the water. *edited for spelling* (Edited by Mr. Architect 3/12/2007 5:38:00 PM) | ||||
Ha! Rhade you fool you, the Pope is just a myth, he doesn't really exist, I meam has anyone ever seen him? It's just like Dinosaurs, George W. Bush and 50 cent! All fictional characters! Geez, kids today. | ||||
the council of nicea was run by Constatine the great who was baptised as he died. and how the hell did 300 bishops safely go a populated city in the roman empire before christianity was legalized. That would be like christians congregating in broad daylight in china. | ||||
oh and go check you sources. i want to show you why your argument has no merit | ||||
As a great man once said, "There is a fine line, between Pagan and Christianity." -Steve Vai : ) | ||||
I agree with Arzun on this, Steve Vai is a great man! | ||||
I've checked my sources, and you've not proved me wrong yet. And the fact of the matter is that 300 bishops did make it there, and the council was held. And, since you have not said the name of a pagan who wrote a book of the bible, I'm guessing you have found that there are not any. And, the council was Conviened by Constantine, he himself had no say in what went into anything as he was not a Bishop. Your spitting out lies, you have been defeated, and your too childish to accept it. If you can prove me wrong then do so, otherwise your done. | ||||
were both to arrogant to believe that we will ever be beaten but i will be the first to back off the subjetct | ||||
Jesus was a Roman, at least that's what a german theologist wrote a book about, i dunno what it's named but he says that jesus christ (JC) and Julius Ceasar (JC) are one and the same person. He gives all kind of arguments for it. like they both have had the same women names around them, were born at the same time and died at the same time. Anyways go find the book ;) | ||||
Ok, well, arguments aside, I would really like to know what is wrong about what I'm saying. On a level of pure interest, not in any argumentative way, could you tell me exactly what it is that is wrong with my sources and why they have no merit. | ||||
Jesus was a Roman, at least that's what a german theologist wrote a
book about, i dunno what it's named but he says that jesus christ (JC)
and Julius Ceasar (JC) are one and the same person. He gives all kind
of arguments for it. like they both have had the same women names
around them, were born at the same time and died at the same time.
Anyways go find the book ;) | ||||
you have to be able to distinguish the hoaxers with true facts ... :-p read more then one book and then make up your mind, a source is good if you can find the same info in three different, non-liased, independent places (like a library, or universities, ..., not some weirdo's weekend-project) | ||||
It's from Wikipedia. It is an online encyclopedia. This means that sources are checked and re-checked with other resources on and offline. There are some things that can be changed by the viewing public on there however anything carrying historical importance on there is locked from the public changing it until it is reviewed by the moderators. If you cant accept what an encyclopedia says, then you'll not be able to find anything online anywhere that will convince you, and nor will I. | ||||
the fact is that i was dissing you on your on pages for about two hours before it was changed. My points of the orgins of the bible aside. The main wuestion was wether jesus was a loyal citizen to the roman empie and might have been working with them or with the pharisees. It would make good sense for him to play the torah in a way that said they were to follow the rules in a way that did not hinder the natural way of life. That is what the pharisees saw the torah as also. The pharisees also colaborated somewhat with the romans to stay in power which would explain the accept all mood of the bible teachings | ||||
true architect, but it is not the only source available ... and i was refferring to the Jesus = Julius story (which is clearly a mie) | ||||
julius caesar died in 40 bc. so there is no way i hell that they are the some person | ||||
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haha lol, people there is no single truth, u'll have to make your own.and i wouldn't call a university based theologist a weekend hoaxer. "Erm, there's one big problem with your guy's argument. Christ wasn't Jesus's last name, nor was he reffered to as that during his lifetime. His name was Jesus of Nazareth, Nazareth being the place of his birth. That is how Jewish naming was back in those years." How do u know, were u there? Like i said there's no single truth, i mean people used to get taught dinosaurs went extinct cause of a meteorite, now most paleontoligists will say dinosaurs still exist. (birds)
how do u know? since when is history an infallable science? ever heard of whighistory? I don't say that's the case here but it;s an argument why people shouldn't listen too much to historians. And wasn't most part of the bible written hundreds of years after christ lived? The women's names weren't just some random names but important women in both ceasar's and jesus's lives, like their mother and lover. Both were also betrayed by someone close to them. anyways i didn't say i believed the guy but it's a funny thought. and u cant prove it's not true just like i can't prove it's true :P just like a religious person can't prove God exists an atheist can't prove he doesn't exist. So make your own truth, That's life ;) | ||||
That is a really cool theory, I might look into it. Would be weird wouldn't it. That would change everything, they were both brutally mudered by their own people. | ||||
Jezus wasnt murdered by his own people, he was murdered by Romans while himself being a citizen from Nazareth and later on from Jeruzalem. Also, i could find out if Jezus and Ceaser lived. I can easily build a timemachine, i just need a sponsor... | ||||
I doubt Jesus was a tool of the pharisees. He really made them look bad in the eyes of the people, over and over again... And with the JC=JC, yeah. Check your time period. And one more thing, even if that was changed, how would it be possible for JC to be wintering in Gaul and preaching in the Isreal/Palestine area at the same time!?!?!? Or fighting a war during the sermon on the mount??? Because I certainly don't remember a time when J Ceaser went to the Isreal/Palestine area, he spent most of his adult life conquering the north, then went south to rome to rule there, and I don't think he had time from matters of state to preach.... Especially when it would have taken three months at least to get from the matters of state to the preaching... | ||||
ET, do know, Ceaser has been in Egypte, very close to israel. And I was just thinking, why is Jezus in most movie's and musicals BLOND!! In Israel and Palestine the only BLONDS are people who colored their hear or are immigrants. There were NO northEuropean Immigrants in that time. Ceaser couldve been blond though. Its all very strange and us, VU players, will probably not find the answer anytime soon. If you do, please let me know;) | ||||
Why would how Jesus appears in a MOVIE produced by HOLLYWOOD give any clout to the argument of Jesus Christ and Caesar being the same person? It's a movie, not a history book, and while I'd like to believe that most movies with Christ in it have had some research put in behind them, I know that sometimes people miss stuff, and the fact that Jesus appears as a blonde in a movie means nothing. Also, I cant remember a single movie where I remember seeing Jesus as a blonde, would you mind telling me a few of em? | ||||
Jesus Christ and ceaser the same? BAH! what is the world coming to! In the bible talking about Jesus being crucified it said the crowd wanted to release barabas or w/e his anme was the bad murder criminal instead of Jesus. Ceaser knew Jesus was innocent so he washed his hands and said "I am innocent of this mans fate" and handed Jesus to the crowd. how could ceaser let himself be crucified? and how could ceaser be there and wash his hands when Jesus was down on the ground already whipped and humiliated and stripped of atleast msot of his clothing? therefore Jesus was not ceaser. Also if you disagree with me cause i use the bible as proof, then think of this. to test a historicle book one of the tests is to use the old testement of the bible to see if it contradicts it. If that doesnt convince you then message me in game and i will send you other reasons cause i dont want to write any more out right now. | ||||
Well, just to name one of the most famous ones, Jezus Christ Superstar! | ||||
Have you thought about that in most HOLLYWOOD MOVIES about jesus, jesus speaks ENGLISH!!!! :O OMG OMG OMG is it true that jesus spoke english??????? This is insane, I didn't realize this FACT until just recently!!! | ||||
then maybe Jezus was a Brit:O Or an American :P | ||||
Or an American :P Ask the Mormons and they might agree with you. ;-) | ||||
jesus was the bomb.... | ||||
okay im here its okay ill fill you all in in where jesus is from and every thing | ||||
this has gone completly out of control. how did the train of thought get to this point any way? | ||||
Haha.....good one...don't forget about Eminem | ||||
where armenians even habitating armenia then? jesus is from around jeruzalem and armenians had nothing to do with that place until it became holy | ||||
adn someone who is traveling all around there would see alot more sun then anyone else i would gues he was pretty black
(this is the darkes jesus i could find on google search) not even close
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His name in Greek is
Jesus but His
Hebrew name is
Yehoshua. In
Aramaic it's
"Yeshua" So that scr3ws the Julius Caesar theory even if the very well established timeline was incorrect. | ||||
Judea was Roman at that time so Jesus was Roman. | ||||
@ Mr. Native Peoples... so if a country has owned another country, the inhabitants of that country turn into the new countrys citizenship, meaning, all irakis are now americans and should be able to travel freely between the two continents?? I get you logic, it's very unlogical... | ||||
The only thing we know for sure about how Jesus looked is that we will never know. No real portraits were made and if they were they are either destroyed or we haven't found or recognised them yet. Ethiopian Christianity, which pre-dates European Christianity, always depicts Christ as an African and it generally agreed that people of the region where Jesus came from looked nothing like the general western stereotype. Of course Jesus was black, he called everybody 'brother', liked Gospel, and couldn't get a fair trial During the time of Roman Emperor Justinian II, a gold coin featuring an image of Jesus was minted. This coin, which today can be seen in the British Museum, depicts a man with demonstrably non-white features and tightly curled hair. Finally, there is the Book of Revelations, which bears out the crafting of the Essenes and the Roman coin-makers by describing Jesus as having hair like wool, feet the color of burnt brass, and who resembled jasper and sardine stones. Jasper and sardine stones are both brown, as is burnt brass. He's of Mediterranean or African stock, and it's quite clear what that means. We see people like that in the world today, and that should end the matter. The fact that 2000 years on people are still disputing this has more to do with people's other issues rather than the question at hand. And that is all I have to say on the subject. :) | ||||
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