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New scoring...no Hanky not that kind either

(Total enemy DP killed * Total OP left at era end) / (Total Land / Science Lvls)

Best of both worlds.

But with the bonus, you'd just have groups of 3 man Kds working together as one kd. just a thought...
Though this should be in Suggestions, I like it :)
BUT... would make Fant pointless..

just scrap scoring

I cant post in suggestions unfortunatly :( dunno why but ....

But with the bonus, you'd just have groups of 3 man Kds working together as one kd. just a thought... ( I just eliminated excessive blockers )

how does that make it the best of both? ( The calculation gives score in the first part to the war aspect of the game, and score in the second aspect based on developing income.... you require a combination of both to rank)

ok, make me do the math :p

I was trying to figure out the
Total enemy DP killed times Total OP left at era end
divided by
Total Land divided by Science Lvls

No. Because someone with loads of land and lots of science is a farmer.

Put my calculations into a working formulae using stats of a typical farmer, stats of an all out fighter and that of a player who balances it, you will see that the player that balances between warring and earning income comes out on top, which should be the eventual goal of the game.
The best of all VU disciplines comes out on top.

The bonus thing is also to break down some of the monstrous KD's thus allowing smaller kd's to stand as much a chance as the next.

Using enemy DP killed is accurate, as it factors in things like walls and GTS
You end score OP is acurate because it prevents spamming low level troops for score.

Science levels are important in the equations, because they reflect an element of income part of the game, as well as the sciences contribution to strengthening armies. Using this calculation, too low a number of sicences, and its likely you wont make it to end of era to get score. Too many sciences and your land levels pay the penalty, thus cancelling the farm to win element of the game.

It balances both fundemental elements.

I cant post in suggestions. Im locked out of it :(

The bonus idea is to encourage smaller KD's rather than just getting as many people together as possible to ensure "victory by sheer weight in numbers". Arguably, smaller kd's being overun by KD's 20 times their size are not a fun era. So if you going to join a 40 man Kd, you know you will loose that end era bonus.

Its up to the player themself to clear those zero baseline. If you are not going to make a single attempt to kill a troop, or gain 1 science level or whatever the zero factor is, you are not participating therefore not contributing to the game as a whole.

You have land yes and science yes...but you also have a huge DP kill which would factor you as being a better winner.
Its a combination theory. You need to do both....not just fight or farm.

yea I agree with the ideas I just thought that comment sounded like I would been a farmer.

But a era with a person who himself said he was inactive and did not take part in a single battle just proves how wrong the scoring is.

Dark Prince Stirlin


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16:53:26 Sep 4th 09 just scrap scoring


+1

I think individual scores are a joke as it should be a team game, so I'm all with ya for scrapping scoring all together ^_^

If you can reach the top solo, and hold the rest of the kd's off that want your position, the more deserving.
I have always been a fan of the kd working as a unit, and to touch on Stirlins point in his suggestions thread, as well as bring up an old suggestion. A single player does not win the game..its the efforts of the kd, and the era award should be passed to the kd..... if you want to name it after something, then name it after the winning KD.
Who knows....one day we may have a "Crazy Era" or an Era of HIV....god forbid.

(Total enemy DP killed * Total OP left at era end) / (Total Land / Science Lvls)

Surely this would help farmers. Just farm all era, get as many science levels as you can, spam troops into a blocker. Then just before era end, land drop.

Having 1 land is better than having 1mil land.

Whoever wars and takes a bunch of enemy land will have to raze it or a player who hasnt fought quite as much can land drop and beat them.

Lets say a person kills 20mil DP in an era, ends the era with 6mil OP, has 1mil land and 25 science levels.

He will have 120k billion/ (1mil/25)

120k billion/ 40k

He scores 3 billion.

Now lets say another person only kills 1mil DP, he ends the era with 3mil OP, he land drops to 1 land and has 30 science levels.

3k billion/(1/30)

He finishes with 90k billion points.

You need a new formula that cant be abused by land dropping.

Also, what happens if you have 0 sci levels?

Total land divided by 0

recalculate it again logically and you will see the numbers and formulae stacks up.

The higher the number of sciences you divide by, the lesser the outcome....not the other way around Killer.

If you land drop, the calculation punishes you. If you get too few sciences, you will most likely not survive week 2. Get no sciences i doubt you will survive OOP.

Farmer will typically have large land, lots of science, low kills and high army count, even if its cavers or defencive troops.
100k killed
500k OP
Total = 50000000000

Total Land: 4000000
Total Sci: 35
Total: 114285.714

Total Score = 437,500

Fighter will usually have high kills, lower troop numbers due to cost of war, lack of improvement in economy due to constant training and war costs, a lower number of end era troops because of casualties and lack of economic resources to increase army size.

1m killed
300k OP
Total = 300000000000

Total Land: 1800000
Total Sci: 15
Total: 120000

Total Score = 2,500,000


Balanced Player will have a reasonable kill ratio, a good level of troop numbers, both offensive and defensive, a stable economy and science levels which justify his needs for economy and strength

600k killed
700k OP
Total = 420000000000

Total Land: 2200000
Total Sci: 20
Total: 110000

Total Score = 3,818,181

its not dividing by landsize...its dividing by sciences

my suggestion would be

((Total DP killed*Total OP at era end)+Total Land)/(# of science levels*1000)

I would use you numbers to prove how its better, but your giving so much land to everyone, 4mil land for farmers when the best land score was 1.1mil this era, and baely any kills or OP at era end. I played on Arma and probably killed/ROFed about 5mil DP, and had rebirth not killed it, I would have had 5mil OP at era end. Im sure a bunch of members in FATE would have had atleast that OP at era end and probably much more DP kills.

Farmer

250k killed
3mil OP
Total = 7.5k billion

Total Land: 2500000
Total Sci: 35

Total Score =  214,285,785

Fighter

5m killed
5m OP
Total = 25k billion

Total Land: 800000
Total Sci: 15


Total Score = 1,666,666,720


Balanced Player 

3m killed
3m OP
Total = 9k billion

Total Land: 1.5mil
Total Sci: 20
Total Score = 450mil.

Not the best formula on second thoughts. Land is basically irrelevant, science levels have a reasonable reduction effect on scores.

The person who attacks most and builds the biggest OP will win.

But if your gonna base it on that, why even have anything in the formula other than that.

DP kills * OP at era end

Simple formula, person who balances killing with amassing a big army will win.

If you stack troops but dont kill anyone you wont win, if you kill a bunch of people but waste all your troops, you wont win.

A better formula would be

((OP at era end * DP killed during era) + (Total Land* 500) + (Science Levels * 5mil)) / 1million

The divide by 1 million is just to stop people having such high scores, thousands of billions is just too high.

Most people will kill atleast 1mil DP during the era and have atleast 1mil OP at era end.

Meaning they have 1billion points from that alone. No point to punish them for their land size or science levels.

Sure farmers will have higher land and higher science levels than fighters, but an all around player the one deserving of an era win will have all 3.

No player will exceed 5mil land and 40 science levels....meaning that max they get from land would be 2.5 billion points and 200mil from sciences.

Whereas fighting is worth billions to anyone who even does bit part fighting , so why can the formula not add all of these together.

Lets say a kingdom has a farmer, a bit part fighter and a guy who is the active fighter.

The farmer kills 500k DP, has 5mil OP, he has 2.5mil land and 40 science levels.

The bit part fighter kills 2mil, has 4mil OP, has 1.5mil land and 30 science levels.

The active guy kills 5mil, has 5mil OP, has 1mil land and 25 science levels.

Era end scores would be

Farmer - 3,750,200

Bit Part - 8,750,150

Active Fighter - 25,500,125

So the farmer who does nothing will have a poor score, the guy who helps out  but also farms a bit due to inactivity will be ranked better than the farmers, but the active fighter who builds a big army and kills alot of the enemies will be clearly ahead of the others.

Im wondering whether the land should only count on fantasia, whoever lands there will have to NAP alot of people, or we could just make nobody land on fantasia and have a mad rush for everyone to try and take control of the map.

It might reduce the number of relations by the kingdom on Fantasia.

If you dont make it only count on fantasia, then people will not bother to go there.

1k killed
2400000k OP
Total = 2400000000

Total Land: 387082
Total Sci: 38
Total: 10186.36

Total Score = 235,609




672152 killed
478773 OP
Total = 321,808,229,496

Total Land: 467974
Total Sci: 15
Total: 31198

Total Score = 10,315,027



471305 killed
811387 OP
Total = 382410750035

Total Land: 1100000
Total Sci: 25
Total: 44000

Total Score = 10,429,385.98


That is my formula using 3 players. The first farmed, the second being an out and out fighter constantly listed on most fearsome list, the third being a player I feel had the most balanced era. For numbers sake, I have kept OP and DP at one, because the scores dont state final OP power or DP killed power.