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industrialization, destroying gaia one factory at a time.

i wonder if all sentient beings go through a time where they destroy themselves in warfare and pollution before learning of what it causes and fixing it. Seems like a good way to make a race learn before it becomes space faring. Granted you could alawys just go to space to escape your screw ups.

Dakarius, sure I did read the link to bible/koran flaws. They are good enough to disprove the literalist approach to reading bible/koran. When you allow free interpretation of the Bible/Koran, but at the same time require strict interpretation of philosophical/scientific truth, then the nonexistence of God cannot be proved. On the other hand, if you require strict interpretation of the Bible/Koran, then their imperfectness can be proved. Personally I don't need a any list of flaws in either book, because I can understand they are authored by man even without any lists to prove it.

Dakarius & Neratu, your points about man destroying the nature--I agree entirely. Although science did not directly create that problem, its uncontrolled application in technology did. Science has confirmed the problem, the mainstream scientists acknowledge it and try to educate the decision makers they need to change the direction. Quick profit seeking (as in money) business leaders and their supported politicians are very hard-headed people who tend to take the parts of science that help them gain immediate profit, but easily ignore the parts that warn about the consequences. Science recommends sustainable development, but politicians and businesses are slow to comply.

Our planet will burn anyway when the Sun heats up, but that is no reason to  intentionally shorten its expected lifespan. We need all the time we can have to develop space flight and colonization capabilities before we can leave the Earth behind. So, in the end (of the Earth's lifespan) we will either burn here or colonize space. Therefore we need to live in peace so we can concentrate our efforts in developing space flight. If we waste our time here in religious conflicts and other shortsighted business, our only home world will literally burn and we will starve to death when we can no longer grow plants to feed us. I hope a good understanding of the truths of the real world and scientific facts can save us from that.

And sure as hell when the Sun expands, no god will come to our rescue.
 We need to rescue ourselves or become extinct. It is that simple.

dude the armgdon is a 100 year forward .

the theory need 5 billion year forward .

the jew and muslim fight i post it i past read it well i hope you live till you see the jesus i hope you become muslims .

as mohamad said :" tell people about me even in only a wonder from the wonders ."

and also said :" the islam will go to all spots in the world and nothing cant stop in way of good who trat us good and in bad who treat us bad .

mohamad is always truely say cuz God tell him what to say

kalevala finnish you cant read it in arabic i bet you cant understand anything

The first chapter of Kalevala says how the world was created, and if you disagree, you are only interpreting it incorrectly, because you can't understand Finnish. The birth-pangs of the Air-daughter when she was giving birth to Väinämöinen actually refer to the Big Bang theory. If you fail to see the link that is because of your inability to read it in the original language.

Right?

i opend the koran to look *beep*

Who, me? And proof of what?

Well you did not give any proof that God exists. You have only shouted that an old book exists and some texts are written in it, which no-one has denied in the first place. If I started shouting and writing in big colorful letters about Kalevala that would be the kind of preaching you have produced as your "proof". If I write in even bigger letters and blinking colors, maybe that would prove you otherwise? I'm sure my 48 inch liquid crystal display is not big enough, if we started in that way.

Here is a big pink proof to you in the way you like it:
PROOF

I have written repeatedly in this conversation that in a strict philosophical sense the nonexistense of God cannot be proved. On the other hand I have referred to the Big Bang theory and quoted an article written by Albert Einstein explaining how the laws of causation leave no room for a God that could anyhow intervene in the Universe. Regardless of that you can always say that there is some deity that made the Big Bang happen--although such a concept would be useless and without any application in reality, as that kind of a definition of God would require him not to intervene anyhow.

jesus how you act like a kid

dude all the history in that book and you say old the proofs was the merecal when islam start when mohamad was ther and made the islam country the best in world all that and you say old book should i say that your old theory dont help you in the judgment day or it will make your life wrong what are you going to God when he asks you .

did you beleive in me .

you will say yes i beleived in you but your hand will talk and say no god he didnt you ask your hand why did you do that.

it will say God is almighty he leted me talk .

or you will say oh god i didnt i thought it is a mistake lets talk about the big bang theory ok you see here .......................  etc

lets see who is rigtht and wrong God ok

and mohamad will come to please God not to be cruel on you but mohamad will do that just cuz your humans a human dont deserve to be .

burn with devil in hell and let you theory help you but it will make your day become misrebal more and more .

we know god with brian not when we see him .

the lovly thing that every man in life did hear about God so that he cant say oh God no body told me about you .

thanks God this was my mission you are no longer in my heart

enough is enough .

written by mbeidas

my colonies in the game wont granted me paradise

and you think in battleion you can hanlde me i got 2000 axe men ready by now i didnt used them till now so......

haha its defence what convarstion read the topic name i made the conversation and i proved that god exsits if God dont we wont be here lol .

i am fighting rebels

i am muslim , i dont eat porks .

omg omg omg it dont need alot of thinking and shut your mouth about blowing i cant promise you in paradise now but i can promise you in hell about what your doing .

i wish God dont ask you .

but i wish he do .

i bet you you wont say all that in that day you will be freaky and you will pee on your self take pampars with you at grave

ok everything you say is based on the following statement: god exists and his will is writen in the koran. But still you give NO evidence that god exists (exept for miracles, that can be either explained or are just myths). Dont say I shall burn in hell until you prove that god exists.

ok you just dont get the clue

THERE IS NO god

THE KORAN IS WRITEN BY MEN, so it is not a proof of god, if I write a book about my god BOB and say the book is written by BOB will you believe just because it says BOB created all sorts of miracles? My book has the same value as the koran to proof the exitence/will of god.

all the miracles you tell are all made by man, like the greek myths the incan myths and the celtic myths. There is absolutely no more truth in those then in yours, as there is also just as much proof they actually happend: NONE

There are so many religions it would be insane for a god to create all these.

if god god is almighty and he wants to stop evil then where does evil come from? if god is almighty and he doesnt want to stop evil he is evil himself. if he isnt almighty but he wants it he is no god. Also it would be an insult to an almighty beeing to think he needs to TEST us as he already should know if you are a good person (hence he would have created you!)

Many utterances of the church and islam have long been busted by science - like evolution, plate tectonics, age of the earth, position of the earth in the galaxy.

There is just no proof of the exitence o*beep*od.

im dutch btw

Science has done nothing to weaken the position of the holy books, it has merly reenforced them.

i said improvements i meant improvements

man am i a bad speller a said improvements twice but i meant improvements because some words in other languages  mean slightly different in other languages

and Josh Mcdowel did try and prove God didn't exist

not improvements improvements......again

people stop playing with the improvments word i dont care if i spell it right .

i will say it again

old testemnt 700 year to wright .

bible 400 year to wright ,

holy koran finished in the same year he started after 2 years from mohamad die .

bible started not to be true when it say : father ,son , holy spirit .

every chrtion i ask him what is holy spirit he say i donno but this is not my point .

DONT DO AS THE EMPAROR OF EASTRN ROMAN EMPIRE.

when mohamad send letters to egypt and consatanople and persia

persia said no , but herculas took time to answer do you know why cuz he knew islam and its the realgion jesus told chrtions about as he said : ther will be a prophet after me the last prophet carries a holy relegion in enviroment of palm his name ahmad or mohamad .

but he said NO he knew its right and he said NO cuz if he say yes most of chrtions priests will take the empire and make him no emparor .

sorry god looks like in these days if a crazy writer ,write a book about his imagine people go to his imagine and forget the truly of you .

way of islam

la ilah ila allah mhmd rsool allah

there is no god except God     and mohamad is his messanger and prophet

YOU CANT PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD BY SAYING THERE IS A GOD.

and what makes odin stupid and god not?

You either believe in God or you don't, so lets just leave it at that.

all religions are a load of crap,if god does exist dere is no way any religion man creates could possibly get it right,it'd be like a 2 year old trying to write a book on quantum physics and saying that the book explains everything about the subject ever and no more could ever be written on the subject.and as ive heard from a few religions "god is unknowable" which basically shows their own ignorance as how can u base a religion on sumting u cant even understand

dont even get me started on the bible which is full stop a book put together by a roman emporeror 300years after the death of christ and they left out about 40 gospels as they didnt fit into the kind of religion that the emporeror wanted

and Mbeidas ,its people like you who are afraid to question their beliefs because they realise if dey started questioning it they just might find out dey dont actually believe it,wouldn't your faith be more plausable if you constantly questioned your faith but still believed.its people like you who become fanatics who's motto seems to be "believe as we do or die"

as long as it aint a s-e-x slave i can live with dat

whats wrong mbeidas afraid to rub those two brain cells u have together to try n have a thought dats wasn't force fed u by ure church and family