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@ Dreadlord, i hate the CIA, i agree, i'm sure they have murdered more than Saddam did, never mind the conspiracies....but thats another thread all together.

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Come on Dreadlord of course the sailors have said what the Iranians have told them to say.  So would you if you were facing trial in an iranian court FFS.  That is hardly evidence if obtained under duress is it?

Iran obviously just wants to make britian look like its doing wrong, that way they can make their case more solid about america etc....if they can get backing of some nuclear power ie: Russia or china, then they will have to be listened to, having power in the UN will give relief from the so called sanctions on enriched uranium, which they say is for power plants, even if that is all its for they will need backing from a powerful nation, these days only those countries who have nukes have power. its a god complex :P

I think you'll find Dreadlord that the British Government has maintained from the beginning that the ship was in Iraqi waters where, like it or not, agree with it or not, there is a UN mandate for the multinational force to operate.

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'CIA not killing as many as Saddam? LMAO, 2.5 million dead in USA terrorism in Nicaragua alone.'

i never said anything about the CIA not killing people, and i am talking about saddams DIRECT envolvment in the deaths, the CIA's actions MAY have lead to the situation in Nicaragua as a knock on effect, do you have proof of the CIAs direct involvment. i also  must state that i dont like special services so dont get all high and mightly on that point.

'Firstly I must say that you never cite whole f---ng internet sites in ur post, its annoying and no one even bothers enough to look thru it.'

i took me a lot of time to post RELEVANT points to the situation in Iran, if you care to look im sure you shall see them. i did not just copy and past a whole load of crap.

there are other points in your post above that need adressing as they are miss guided and from a quite ignorant point of view, but i supose all budding politicians need to go to bed at some point ;P

The CIA wasnt behind all of thoose dead people, there was several US marine landings etc, read about it, its interesting. Personally I dont have proof the CIA was involved, to quote wikipedia tho:

• 1981-90: CIA directs exile (Contra) revolution, plants harbor mines against government

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ow uhm sry jews got killed the moment they landed.

they where put in camps the moment US declared war.

They where killed in Russia when US made russia declare war lolz. link?

Hitler tought US was cotrolled by jews. Ik hope it wasnt.

What ar eu on about dread?

no cos ghouma asked for evidence not a conspiracy :P

99% of vu live in the "west"

PHI isnt all from asia i would think

But there is a imbalance between west and the rest of the world. North America and Europe are really making cash on the poverty of the rest.

but wear are not doing anything about it. working class does support it whter they know it or not.

No! Don't let Ghouma start his anti-establishment propaganda, we have enough of it on IRC! :)

shure blame it on them.

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Smuff, as I said before, the third world loses 14 times more in unjust trade agreements then they get in aid.

lol... who would want colonies in africa?

my opinion is just leave africa alone.  they'll sort themselves out.  every single region has gone through exactly what africa is going through right now, just most did it earlier.  This turbulence is just a phase that everywhere has to go through before they can prosper.  and nobody ever complains about the genocide that the romans, turks, chinese, and virtually every other civilization that has ever existed  has commited in the past, so why start now?  Every country has its own problems, and they should be more concerned about those problems than those of other countries.  thats why we get into useless wars.

I agree.  africa can sort it self out, as long as people stop meddling in their affairs.  they have all the natural resources they need to build strong economies and nations, but outsiders (europeans, americans, middle easterners) are too busy supporting one side or another in their conflicts to give them a chance.

And Sir Crom, about the last thing you said, wars are started by the rich, whether they are American politicians or middle eastern oil tycoons supporting terrorists.  this is why in the US some politicians are trying to bring back the draft, because politicians are less likely to go to war if there's a chance their own children may die.

  Well, I just have to say too all those people who say that "it was a good war at the time" is there were rumours that Saddam had WMD's no actually evidence. Now, rumours can start anywhere. So what the US did was get those rumours and spin it in the media to look like Saddam defiantly has WMD's. Doing that, I see how the American people, could support this un-just war on Iraq. Cause after all, who would be expecting a lie to this magnitude from someone you elected to run your country. So the U.S went and bombed Iraq. They removed Saddam but found no WMD's. Well they then said that removing Saddam was a good enough reason for the war. But to date, more people have been killed during the war then Saddam killed. So know, the country is in WAY more chaos then when Saddam was in power. The 2 main groups in Iraq are now having a brutal civil war. Some of the same tactics that Saddam used to extract information" is being used by the 2 sides of the civil war. And America with all it's military strength cant stop this. Saddam was a pretty bad guy speaking in terms of his actions, BUT things were better under him then they are now. He killed that many people not because he was a racist or anything like that. It was because he was afraid that there would be a "Shia" (the main group Saddam targeted and the majority of his country) revolution like the one there was in Iran (Iraq’s neighbour) against the Shah (the ruling dictatorship in Iran before the revolution by the Shias) 6 months before Saddam started his killing spree. And with him being a "Sunni" (The 2ed largest group in his country) he wanted the Sunni’s but more only himself, to stay in power. But after the American bombardment destroyed all law and his army that kept things in place, the Shias wanted to take power but the Sunnis said that the power the Shia wanted was overly exaggerated even to per capita standards and so the 2 biggest groups in Iraq (which don’t have that much over each other) are in a bloody civil war which seems to have no end.

  Some people may be thinking, well the rumours were good enough for me because what if he actually did have them. And to you people I say, how do you feel if America wasn’t a super power (and it won’t be for long, its Chinas turn) and got bombed on allegations that you were a threat to some super power people? Wouldn’t you be angry and the millions of lives that that other country destroyed on allegations which turned out to be false? And then some people might be saying, better safe then sorry and I say to you that “Do you think that your life is worth more then anyone else’s?” News flash, people on the other side of the world are actually human to. They have the same feelings as Americans or any other race. So if you would be angry if this happened to your country, then they also would/are be angry to. And anger, leads to violence. And the easiest target and who they see as the blame for all this is America and so they attack your soldiers. So your soldiers attack back (which they have every right to) killing even more of there brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, moms dads ect then the brother, sister, aunt, uncle of that dead family member attacks more American soldiers, killing them. Then the America soldiers take revenge then the people take revenge and so on…creating a never ending cycle of violence.

   Something interesting to note; Before the Saddam became paranoid, when he loved shia and Sunni equally (or close to equally) he was a great leader. And during that time Iraq had the fourth largest army  in the world at the time(900,000 men). (This was Between 1980 and the summer of 1990)

  To sum this all up, Bush is a *beep*head and the war with Iraq is un-justified especially by the so called WMD theory that America invaded on.

  Actually to the contrary, Osama and Saddam disliked each other. Osama (and Saddam) have publicized there feelings toward each other of dislike. This is well known information, and Bush knew this prior to the invasion of Iraq. So by removing Saddam, Bush gave the chance for Al-Qaeda to seep in now that there is no Saddam to stop them. Without Iraq, Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have such an easy place to attack American soldiers and not a lot of political leverage against the U.S. Also, Al-Qaeda controls whole areas of Iraq where American soldiers dare not go without heavy, heavy support. In those areas, Al-Qaeda literally has training grounds and collects taxes from the local population. As an American general put it "In those areas, America may own the streets but Al-Qaeda owns everything else"

So one might say that, this Administration, has played right in the hands of Al-Qaeda.

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