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Online religious debates are about as stupid as it gets...just in case no one figured that point out.  Neither side will back down or change their minds...they will just say the other is stupid, lacking proof, or just stubborn.  Even if someone states something that the other side cannot disclaim, they can just throw something back and then the arguing starts back at square one.

The great depth of the Grand Canyon and especially the height of its strata (most of which formed below sea level) can be attributed to 5,000 to 10,000 feet (1500 to 3000 m) of uplift of the Colorado Plateau, starting about 65 million years ago (during the Laramide Orogeny). This uplift has steepened the stream gradient of the Colorado River and its tributaries, which in turn has increased their speed and thus their ability to cut through rock (see the elevation summary of the Colorado River for present conditions).

Weather conditions during the ice ages also increased the amount of water in the Colorado River drainage system. The ancestral Colorado River responded by cutting its channel faster and deeper.

The base level and course of the Colorado River (or its ancestral equivalent) changed 5.3 million years ago when the Gulf of California opened and lowered the river's base level (its lowest point). This increased the rate of erosion and cut nearly all of the Grand Canyon's current depth by 1.2 million years ago. The terraced walls of the canyon were created by differential erosion.

About one million years ago, volcanic activity (mostly near the western canyon area) deposited ash and lava over the area, which at times completely obstructed the river. These volcanic rocks are the youngest in the canyon.

Your god is dead. Your churches are dead. Your faith is dead.

I am alive. I believe in what i see, and what i understand. take your hocus pocus fairy tailes and pi$$ off back to the caves you came from and write a new story.

Your god is dead. Your churches are dead. Your faith is dead.

You are wrong in all account, The God I believe in is not dead nor alive God simply exist, well I don't have a church but if you meant the temples made by people, it's pretty much operational and functions as it should. and if it is about my faith... well what makes you believe that I have lost it?

And I would like to know where the volcanoes are that this activity ensued from.

that's right, dismiss all reason and any logic thought :-)

your faith will help you :-D

god rules!!! hahaha :-p

because we evolved? and we are no longer primates (atleast some of us aren't)?

go get an education, learn how to reason.  

i suppose the sun is just a large disc?  a golfball is also a two-dimensional object? ...  there seems to be no limit on stupidity in this thread ...

apparently :-p

and man Charley for not enjoying this thread...you sure post a LOT in it :P

Formatieduiker, if this thread is so stupid then help make it better by answering my question. Why do we believe something when the majority of the people believe it too?

Irony...

lol, keep living in denial, your god will save you, good luck :-)

if you want answers?  i don't like posting a 1000 pages, and none of you reading it or having the mental capacity to grasp the meaning of it all.  (= do your own research)

you don't bring arguements, you bring (false) believes/statements.

again, it is easier to have faith, than to think for yourself ...

oh yes, happy easter, did the bunnies bring you some eggs?   i got some!, i prayed last night and they haven't forgotten me! and even the sun was shining! and the chocolat didn't melt!!! surely, that must be proof of a divine intervention!  luckily i was full of faith ... without that it would be a horrible day today :-p

suiting the subject ... :-D

yup, that's it :-)

How do you know there aren't any fairies, elves or Santa?

HE IS RISEN!

God Bless you, Formatieduiker.

hahaha, yes, now think about what you just said :-)

:-D only until you wake up.   

do you consider a more reasonable explanation? 

no. why? see answer to santa's question :-)

you cannot show/proof/explain anything, the only thing you can say, that that's the way it is ... ... how old are you? 3?   when you're asked to reason, then you start denying/questioning facts and reasonable thinking?

enjoy your festivities today, celebrate and thank your god for his greatness and your pathetic life :-p  , 

why would i need to disproof something that doesn't exist? there is nothing that points into the direction of a 'creator'?

excuse me?  maybe you can make a reasonable statement? something different than makebelief?

It seems that no matter how many times this is pointed out, people just refuse to understand. From a logical stand point it's impossible to prove a negative, what this means for those of you that are not the sharpest tools in the shed is that it's impossible to prove that God doesn't exist, just like it's impossible to prove that elves, fairies, Santa and the Flying Spaghetti Monster don't exist.

Just because something can't be disproven does not constitute evidence of existance, it's just sound logical thinking.

The burden of proof is on those that support a positive, in this case, that God does exist, because positives can be proven.

We neither don't have to, nor need to disprove god, it's not our job. I've written this in a simple terms as I could, in the vain hope that at least some of you might understand it.

"im back to dismantle some athiests :P someone summarize what everyone has said since i left lol"

Why don't you run along back into the sand box and let the adults speak.

Mr. Josef

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4/12/2009 3:33:37 PMIt seems that no matter how many times this is pointed out, people just refuse to understand. From a logical stand point it's impossible to prove a negative, what this means for those of you that are not the sharpest tools in the shed is that it's impossible to prove that God doesn't exist, just like it's impossible to prove that elves, fairies, Santa and the Flying Spaghetti Monster don't exist.

Just because something can't be disproven does not constitute evidence of existance, it's just sound logical thinking.

The burden of proof is on those that support a positive, in this case, that God does exist, because positives can be proven.

We neither don't have to, nor need to disprove god, it's not our job. I've written this in a simple terms as I could, in the vain hope that at least some of you might understand it.

"im back to dismantle some athiests :P someone summarize what everyone has said since i left lol"

Why don't you run along back into the sand box and let the adults speak.

you just posted our point. how can you come and tell us something  cant exist for a fact if it can never be proven a negative.

also some things can.

we can prove that there is no uplifting force stronger then gravity that is always operational by not floating.
we can prove there is no god by dieng and not coming back. it just cant be proven any time soon.

"we can prove that there is no uplifting force stronger then gravity that is always operational by not floating."

No you *beep*ing *beep*, you prove that Gravity exists, and by proving that Gravity exists you show that there is no uplifting force greater than gravity.

What the *beep* do they teach you in those american schools? And I use the term losely.