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*Might tells his men to start a huge forest fire near Romus's fort. After the fire is finished he tells them to pour salt all over Romus's lands.*

"There goes all his production..."

[You saw we pouring the salt but not lighting the fire.]

[Did we get our reward yet?]

[Sweet Thanks. Also just noticed about the woodcutting so I have just 50 wood, not 90k  :(  ]

*Wraithish orders a Home to be built for some peasents to move in. He also wanders around, watching his men spar. He then selects 50 of his stealthiest men to go steal from Might. (Do I have to write what happens?)

2k helping Romus

2k sparring

850 building the home (I take it that your soldiers build the Home)

100 patrolling*

[I spend my starter money on a level in cunning so my levels are

Lvl 0 Morale

Lvl 2 Cunning

Lvl 0 Reasoning

I have 20 gold left.]

Building a wall, and woodcutting with whoever can. (I have a farm or two already with houses, right?)

once again I find a need to add to how we play the game. I think I will make a guide to battle and intellect [spelt right] like with the place. anyway, below is another part of the guide:

Theiving:

need something new? maybe a particular weapon of another player has taken your fancy? want it? here is how to get it:

1) post the fact that you are going to attack that player

2) post how you steal it

3) let the person being stolen from react

4) react again

continue like this reacting to each other, then after a while I will decide upon whether the item was stolen or not. if the thief is not successful, then they must hand over ten gold to the person they were going to steal from. if they get caught and do not have ten gold, then they die, as they are turned in and get hanged.

Hostage taking:

if you are looking for some extra money, or rescources, a good way is to take a hostage. you can take hostage someone elses general, that person themselves. to get them back, or free themselves, they must pay whatever fee the hostage taker wants

to take a hostage follow the same rules as for thieving.

no the first cant be a test wraithish. I dont see how it could go wrong, you either win or you lose.

Debate!

what is the most effective medieval weapon in your thinking?!

state the weapon anddetail its advantages over the other debators weapons of choice.

reward: 20 gold

[[OCC: wraithish, you cannot participate as you are in hiding.]]

k,,,,

anymore?!

[I wasnt going to anyway... Erunion picked my weapon :(  ]

[Hurry up, Might. I want to take your money and participate in the debate before it closes!!  =P]

[Might wonders when he picked a general....]

[Firstly, since when is idi0t rude? -_-

And secondly doesnt everyone have a general??]

not if you did not specify that.

and might, he couldnt have caught a disease, I havent added them to the game yet

[Oh darn. For next time then.....  :S

At least I'm not diseased =P]

*Wraithish kills the hostage and creeps back to his Kingdom. Can I participate in the debate now? Technically I didnt lose the hostage situation and neither did he...*

this is what i have building

 2 houses 15 gold 60 wood

1 wall 30 gold 50 wood

my people fish for food so i dont need a farm to feed them "how many ppl will 1 house hold? "i think it shoudl be like 1 houseing complex".

i have 5 gold and 70 wood left.

Yes Might. Huge army of troops, unnoticed, goes to the beach and searches through it for enough salt to completely salt 1000's of acres of land. This is all done in 1 day. (Correct) Somehow your troops, in one day, developed the expertise to go onto a beach, get a HUGE amount of salt (which probably isn't there, either...) and then salt a massive patch of land.
Wow! What 1337 ski11z!

In the debate I go with the Halberd for a number of reasons.

For:

--> Halberd
-----------
-Longer reach compared to Swords
-Long reach meant more power could be delivered with every blow
-Excellent for dismounting cavalry because of the hook at the end and the long reach
-Good for close range combat
-Often used by court bodyguards
-Cheap and easy to manufacture
-Easy to use

Against:

--> Longbows
------------
-Need years of experience to be effective
-Need upper body strength
-Very hard to penetrate the well-made steel armour used mainly after the 1400s, even with bodkin arrows
-Unsuited to Hand-to-Hand Combat (He said "most effective medieval weapon" not soldier)
-Vulnerable to Cavalry charges
-Best used defensively, not offensively because they needed protection (Stakes)
-Inaccurate at Long range
-In the long run, injures the archer and causes "bone spurs"

[Could you describe the blockade exactly? I want to see the best way to burn it down  =P]

[And where did you get metal plates from? I must be soo annoying  =P]

[Im sorry maybe you should tell me when you are going to magically add a market... And I don't need to pay soldiers to build a fort. All I need to do it pay them their weekly wages. Also I have huge amounts of wood sense I have stopped building....]

[Whatever.... Wood burns beautifully. No metal though  =P]

*Wraithish is informed about the blockade. He looks at it from a distance and gives his soldiers orders... *

{Might, my men are not Elves, as I don't believe elves are in this game. However, I have 5000 men trained with longbows. (Not much training, I know, but enough.) At this range, which is around 50-100 metres, a flight of arrows from longbows would massacre a force, arms and legs would be destroyed by the force of the arrow, and one shot to the body would murder someone. As they do not have heavy plate armour, only the few who had shields would be safeish, and they would still be facing flights of arrows from either side.}

The longbow is a better weapon than the Halberd.
The Halberd has to get close to it's target to be effective, a large group of halberdier would all be slain by an equally large group of longbowmen before they even got close. In self defense, a longbow would allow for a second weapon to be used, and even if such were not available, would still be effective as a quarterstaff. The heavy plate armour favoured in the 15th century could hold off an arrow at range, but at close range it would be torn through, or a weak spot hit. This would be able to happen because the heavy plate armour costs a small fortune to make and make well, only very rich knights could afford it, making it a rare sight on the battlefield.

A halberd would also have a great deal of trouble against such armour, equal to or greater than that experienced by a longbow. A longbow would be able to get two shots (at least) off against a mounted one of these knights, and 9-10 against a dismounted one. The mounted knights horse would likely be shot out from under him, giving the longbowman another good 5-6 shots against him, one of which is bound to either pierce the armour or find a weak spot/joint.
The Halberd on the other hand would be fighting one on one, as it would be little longer than the lance favoured by the mounted knight, and easily turned aside by a dismounted knights shield.

[Erunion, Longbows require arrows.]

Halberds were made specifically to dismount horsemen and knights. They use the "thorn" on the backside to pull horsemen off their horses and kill them while on the ground. The halberds could also use the 'axe' side to deliver a mortal blow to the knight. Besides this, an expert halberdier is just as, if not more, lethal than experts with other weapons and would have a better chance against a dismounted knight with a shield than a longbowman.

Also they need significantly less training to be wielded efficiently than longbows.

Besides this, halberds would not have as much problems against Plate armour as longbows since the length causes alot of power to be exerted. If the armour didnt crack then it would injure the soldier underneath, bruising skin and possibly cracking bones.

If halberdiers came against longbowmen with ideal armour for both then I believe the longbowmen would lose because;

• Longbows are ineffective and inaccurate at longrange
• When they got closer, the armour would protect the halberdier, meybe bruising his skin but almost definitely not piercing the skin, even if bodkin arrows (larger arrowheads) were used
• Halebrdiers would massacre a longbowman in hand-to-hand combat since they have the advantage of distance and power. The halberdiers could stab with the pike at the top of the weapon or slash with the axe.

{Err, yes Might? What relevance to the conversation does that have? The debate? Or my forces? Arrows would be considered part of the longbow in the debate, and when I asked for the longbows for my men as a reward I also asked for the arrows to go with them... And of course, if possible, my men are making more on the march. With a knife and some wood from a forest (IE branches/etc.) you can easily make an arrow. It wouldn't have a head and you would need to find feathers, but it would still kill a man without metal armour easily.}