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Who says socialism is a bad thing? Even if it is, who says it's any worse than capitalism? 1% of the population gets filthy rich and access to anything and everything they want, while the other 99% gets to die because they can't afford the medicine to keep them alive. You should really watch "capitalism: a love story" by michael moore. The man is a little radical but the movie is on the money. Capitalism is what's ruining this country, so what's wrong if Obama wants to bring a little change to our nation?

Kobald, we both have extremist views, I know for a fact that that is not how capitalism works. Everyone is given a oportunities. Its just those who capitalize on them that do well, and the wealth is avaliable to everyone, a person only needs 30k a year to live a happy life. One can make more if they truely try.

"and since he got over 68% of the nations votes..."

I lol'ed at that... how many of the people that voted for him were people who have never voted before, and are black? How many people voted for him that are black? They just did it because of their race. But I'm not here to flame Obama, I think he's doing fine. Unless he makes a huge blunder I don't see any problems, except the healthcare reform. I don't like it at all. I'm all about survival of the fittest, so why should somebody of upper class have to pay extra tax for some dipshit lower class who constantly gets himself hurt? But no, people say Obama wasted money on his reform. Well, let's look at it this way, Cops, Firemen, and Schools were extremely low on money, some even making drastic paycuts. Now, if this bill hadn't gone into effect (not the healthcare one, his first 100billion or something bill) we would be losing cops, firemen, and school teachers. Now I don't know about you, but they provide and infrastructure for society.. you may not have noticed a difference, but that's because it was a preventative. Just like taking medicine if you feel a little sick... you are only slightly better feeling, but it was to prevent it getting worse.

Income and wealth statistics may serve as a helpful guideline as they can be measured in a more objective manner. In 2005, approximately one and half percent (1.5%) of households in the United States had incomes exceeding $250,000 with the top 5% having incomes exceeding $157,000.^[19] Furthermore only 2.6% of household held assets (excluding home equity) of more than one-million dollars. One could therefore fall under the assumption that less than five percent of American society are members of rich households. The richest 1% of the American population owns as much as the combined wealth of the bottom 90% ^[20], or perhaps even more ^[21].

"We like our liberties here in America.  We have freedoms.  One of those freedoms is that we get to vote.  Just because we have that freedom does not mean we must exercise it, but when we choose to it has just as much effect on the outcome as the vote of our president.  The fact that you're bringing race into this is seriously sad."

I fully agree with Architect. about race and voting.

Also, the problem with socialism is not in the system, but the people who use it. Humans are 99% of the time to selfish to be good leaders for a socialistic country.

Another point I would like to make in support of Kobolds very true words, is that America is NO LONGER the country of opportunity, and has not been so for quit some time already. There are huge differences even in the basic education people get, because the differences between the poor and rich schools are so immense, the poor have no chance to get enough money to pay the fees for the to schools and thus rarely have a chance to get a good education and job.
I have also heard a lot of "anyone can get a good life if they just try" talk from Americans, this is pure BS. Modern societies are based on knowledge and education, if you canīt get that, then you got no chance.

As several knowledgeable persons have said in Finland, we live in the new country of opportunity and equality, we have free education and health care here. Anyone can become anything they wish as long as it is physically possible.

Some things I found that clearly state that America is anything but equal:

Research by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett has also presented evidence that both social cohesion and health problems are greater in countries or states where economic inequality is highest. For instance, crime rates, mental health problems and teen-age pregnancies are lower in countries like Japan and Finland compared to countries with greater inequality such as the US and UK.


The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gaps of any high-income nation today, and that gap continues to grow.^[16] In recent times, some prominent economists including Alan Greenspan have warned that the widening rich-poor gap in the U.S. population is a problem that could undermine and destabilize the country's economy and standard of living stating that "The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself".

Yeah, Palin and that batshit crazy Bachmann woman from Minnesota should run together.  Those two know what is going on!  *chuckle*

And? What does the fact that black people may have voted for him have to do with anything? If in fact lots of people, be they black or not, came out to vote for him who've never voted before, that speaks more good about him in how he was able to inspire them and get out and vote.

Does their vote not count as much because they choose not to vote in most things so when a presidential election comes around we should just exclude them? If that's what you're insinuating, and that's what I'm getting from what you said, then you seriously need to reconsider your thoughts on how America works. They are as American as anyone else who lives here, therefore their vote counts just the same whether they've chosen to exercise that right to vote prior to that event or not does not matter.

We like our liberties here in America. We have freedoms. One of those freedoms is that we get to vote. Just because we have that freedom does not mean we must exercise it, but when we choose to it has just as much effect on the outcome as the vote of our president. The fact that you're bringing race into this is seriously sad.

It's the truth and you know it. People that are probably never going to vote again, unless it's to re-elect Obama, voted for him. And that made a large %. I can and will bring race into everything, especially when I can bet you that at least 25% of his votes (out of 68%) were from people who've never voted before. Btw, I wasn't bringing the fact they don't vote in other things into it, I was bringing the fact they NEVER VOTED BEFORE ON ANYTHING. 

The above being said, I stated directly after that that I wasn't trashing obama, merely his supporters and the truth that most of them were black, who don't even know the difference between republican, democratic, whig (if it's still around), or the tea baggers. 

Black people shouldn't get to vote, then it'd be fair. :) And I'm a true american. I was born and raised here. I descend from immigrants, yes, but I was born here. I just have to say that My president is black, my lambo is blue, and I'll be goddamned if my rims ain't too.

I have no problem with him or what he is doing.  flame on

http://www.floridawhig.com/

Many whigs are running for congress.  I think i will vote for one.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government."

Im not Obama supported and im not even going to start flaming but seriously. Those who bitch about it and just read that long post. If you dont like what the government is doing then do something about it. Bitching and moaning about it doesn't get you anywhere. Either shut up or take action. From time to time the tree of liberty must be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

>So you're seriously saying that those Americans should not get to vote?

Why should the miscreants that turn beautiful cities into slums feared by all that aren't black/wigger or in a gang, who go around killing people for fun and because "yo dis b mah territory dawg", stealing from people and indirectly stealing from the U.S. government... be given the chance to vote?

And before you say generalizing, I'll admit there are blacks that do, infact, act like humans, not animals. These (the ones that act like humans) are the only ones that should have the opportunity to vote (as they're the ones that would have voted in the past and have continued to vote)

>Do you realize how that violates the very foundation that the USA was founded upon?

Nice try Archi, but the USA was founded with blacks being slaves, not free people with the right to vote on serious issues, eloel.

One of my new favorite quotes, because I dont agree with where this country is headed,

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

Wow, obviously logic is something that's lost on you and the Constitution and the words written upon it mean nothing to you.  Friggin bigots. 

>And do you seriously think gangsters bothered to vote even if it was for a black president?

>Its more like the common poor black people who have not seen a reason to vote before that got engaged

Sorry Tarwut, but you confused me a bit with the above statements. First you claim that gangsters (who are notorious for being poor members of the African American community) wouldn't vote, then almost directly after, you claim that poor African American's would vote? Please make up your mind.

There's no need to twist my words Tarwut, I was merely pointing out facts (gangsters in the USA are notoriously poor and of African descent), as well as your conflicting statement. 

Why do you feel the need to continuously bring the KK(K) (an abbreviation for a racist group against those of African descent, for the historically uneducated VUers out there *glances at Architect*) into this discussion, almost urging VUers to join? Are you a member of this vile organization, Tarwut?

White Power!!

Wow okay have you seen what he has said? He has had a lot more pessimism than anyone here. My point overall is to his statement that if you cant get something that you have to live with it. Again not always.

Are you a member of KK yet? you would really fit in.

There is no KK... that'd make it the Kool Katz. That doesn't work.. need to specify what it is... A Klub! :D

As tyrgalon has shown, Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words last FOREVER. How does it take courage to say someone black is the same as me? It doesn't take courage.. just acceptance.. and understanding. I understand that there's a Klub.. for Kool Katz... And they have great parties!

There really is no debate here.  He's a bigot, simple enough.  The only thing that makes him "American" is that he lives here.  He is neither a patriot nor anyone deserving of living in a country founded upon the words written on our Declaration or Constitution.