Forums / In game politics / BOW and ZEON

22:59:04 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Lucimorth:

Guys in music...I am sorry if this hurts your reputation, feel free to kick me out. For the record, I am speaking only on my own behalf even though i am vice in Music, they have no connection or affiliation to what I say.

Now then...

This was by far the crapiest lame ass alliance i have ever taken part in. BoW and Zeon had a combined number of traitors who attacked music that went over the total number of music players!
There was virtualy nothing happening, the only thing that even looked like alliance was the fact we did not attack each other [most of the time].

People, if you want to have a fun era, don't ever ally yourself with those kingdoms, i don't know about their leaders or vices or w/e, but as an entire kingdom they suck ass.

Instead of coordinate attacks and set up deffences, all that went on was the dumb trator killing and thats all. Not to mention, one of BoW members suddenly decided he was going to attack, after armageddon was cast and after Carnage is in our asses...good job *beep*.

So there, i will quit every kingdom that wil ever ally any of those kingdoms.

23:19:51 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Rubyian:

    I'm also a member of Music and I'll agree with Lucimorth. I'm in no way speaking for music, I just agree personally with most of what Lucimorth said.

    In the alliance so far, ZEON has proven honorable and pretty powerful and they did alot to protect our eastern flank. On this I disagree with Lucimorth.

    But in the case of BOW, they have been a bad ally from the beggining. They are very ounorganized and because of the fact that they were new this era, they accepted pretty much anybody at the beginning of the era....their plans seemed to involve nothing but individual conquest, single members independantly taking over every city that they saw. They were very undependable and uncoordinated when it came to blocker/core defense.

    Yesterday one of there members, Mr. Rumpnissen The Evighetsmaskin, left the BOW and sent many small armies into our core, which, because we had most of our troops and armories concentrated to the east, penetrated our core very easily. He has already destroyed almost half of our starting core. He is taking over cities and then when we attack back he destroys the buildings inside before retreating.

    Things like this have been happening all era to both ZEON and BOW(although ZEON showed alot of honor in the way they handled it). And have directly affected Music as well. Music has stayed free of the corruption and has proven to be the most organized and dependable kingdom in the alliance. Allying with BOW and ZEON was good for us at the start but it has now brought us ruin.

23:20:09 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Zackira of Strike:

Zeon is ok but bow a no no....they attack weakling and only defense agaisnt stronger foe but not pushing them >.>

23:22:39 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Asystole:

BoW seems to have serious internal issues. Not sure what the problem is but it seems a lot of people really got frustrated over there.

23:24:06 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Kobuskan:

I repect the freedom of speach and opinion, but i don,t agree on all points, there are still good guys in BoW and Zeon who don,t like what happened either.

Don't blame them for the those who betrayed, backstabed and had multiple accounts.



23:26:44 Oct 5th 07 - Lord Epyon:

*Epyon walks in. Epyon senses tension in the room*

"Anyone want a cracker??" he says, trying to break the tension before BoW or Zeon start flaming the hell out of Lucimorth =S

23:27:05 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Seloc:

You were asking for such a betrayal by joined such a big alliance.

23:34:37 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Soccermage:

sry to hear all that. just dont ever ally more than one kingdom again!

23:48:07 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Sun:

bandwagon caused drama. im sure if bow was that unorganized, music would've took them over easily heh?

23:55:17 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Zackira of Strike:

ahah i know it ahah i said accepting all member on bow back then when i was a bow vice is bad rofl it all on you now

23:57:33 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Rumpnissen The Evighetsmaskin:

hey zackira we have somthing in common.: )

23:57:34 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Spoon:

    Things like this have been happening all era to both ZEON and BOW(although ZEON showed alot of honor in the way they handled it). And have directly affected Music as well. Music has stayed free of the corruption and has proven to be the most organized and dependable kingdom in the alliance. Allying with BOW and ZEON was good for us at the start but it has now brought us ruin.

We're not free of corruption anymore. Sandy was kicked after inactivity, and suddenly showed up more active as ever before. Yay.
And Ataka, the ex-russian, who seemed OK. Unfortunately he left to join that russian revolution kingdom.
No, we just make us look good =P

Prolly because we're so handsome <3

23:58:02 Oct 5th 07 - Mr. Spoon:

So Rump, what's up with you mass attacking us?

00:02:10 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Soccermage:

boo to big alliances!

00:02:19 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Rock Hard Reginald:

At the end of the day, it's the leaders fault imo.

I've warned them, the Zeon leadership especially, of this problem for eras now. Their relaxed (or maybe non-existant?) recruitment policy will lead to any person to come in with secret agendas. If Zeon, BoW, or any of those other kds want to ever be considered a top kingdom, you guys need to get your acts in order and follow the example of others. Be rigid, be tight, don't accept any old fool. It may give you numbers, but those numbers will eventually kill you from within if you continue with your accept-all mentality. This never used to be a problem in VU with older kingdoms. The current mentality seems to be, instead of strengthening your own kingdom and honing your skills, to do it the quick and easy way: mass-recruit and hope that the gems will outshine the sh1t.

For starters, what a wasted opportunity and era for them. Your accomplishments should be extended to defeating your foes, not to removing inside traitors. Shape up, get a rigid recruitment policy, and stick to it. I know Zeon said that they would "kick a lot of people" in the past and "replace them with trustworty people", I saw them complete the first task, yes. But what happened to getting those trustworthy, loyal, active and committed members? All Zeon did was replaced their existing members (who didn't seem to be traitorous, mind you. Just inactive, nubby, un-cordinated, etc) with an equal number of backstabbing scoundrels. And now look what happened.

As leaders of BoW/Zeon/whoever, it's your duty to lead by example. The leading isn't just extended to relations making, or war-planning. It's to maintaining a strong, unified kingdom. And this is where you keep failing, era in, era out. You're failing your loyal members, who if I were them, would be sick and tired by now by your laxity in recruitment. It's your duty to make sure they have an enjoyable era, with people they consider friends and whom they trust.

00:04:12 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Acelnorst:

I guess messingother people old- KD mates is his idea of having fun on Arma

00:06:13 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Rock Hard Reginald:

Acel, I think Rump used to be ex-PHI. And as PHI is returning next era, he probably has no intention of staying with whatever kd he was in, and as such is torching them for his own amusement. That was my initial reaction, anyhow.

00:14:40 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Soccermage:

well said rock. i agree :)

00:15:27 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Acelnorst:

I believe if you have stuck with your KDmates for an era long you should at least have the respect to be with tehm until it's over, even if you'll be leaving them. But not leaving like this.

00:23:03 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Ingo Von Lucker:

hey acelnorst ... ol RPK chap :-).

Good to have you back !

01:21:05 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Zackira of Strike:

what you meant rump? i never first attacked BOW ,bow attacked me >.>

01:23:25 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Rumpnissen The Evighetsmaskin:

same here : )

01:34:27 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Lucimorth:

Kobuskan, i haven't said anything about all of the members, i said that i don't know the leaders and the vices of bow and zeon, but as a kingdom they both suck.

Seriosly, i believe a kingdom such as Zeon could be a little more active in our war against Carnage. Maybe it is just that i am not aware of it, but who did Zeon fight?

02:07:45 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Oamawt:

I didnt bother to read all of the post.  BoW sucks big time.  Every now and there someone leaves BoW and starts attacking others. :(  Karac, quit being a leader pls.

And spoon, stop complaining about rumpsomething attacking you.  Its called KARMA

02:24:24 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Acelnorst:

Mr. Ingo Von Lucker


10/6/2007 12:23:03 AM

hey acelnorst ... ol RPK chap :-).

Good to have you back !


Heya Ingo! hows things :P




02:40:21 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Gothrim:

Rock Hard Reginald wrote: "And as PHI is returning next era, he probably has no intention of staying with whatever kd he was in, and as such is torching them for his own amusement."

Maybe you should only speculate when you know something.

I got on well enough with Zackira in the past and I got on well enough with Rumpnissen in the early days. We chatted quite a bit. I really respect Zackira as a player though I think he makes a better orc than dwarf. (It's a personality thing since he's a flat-out agressive attacker). Anyhow, I would not have second thoughts about serving with Zackira again in some kd in the future, even though he did me great harm during his "rebellion". Just wanted that said. As for Rump, I don't see why he attacked Music, but apart from that I've no ill will. Both put in a lot of effort and were strong and active players. Indeed the crisis in BoW seems to stress out the most active players more than anyone.

Regarding Zeon, they did good service in cleaning out the multis, and Messiah did me personally a great service turning the tide at Klopapiergibtsh blocker. But then when you see what a total hash BoW made of the opportunity this breakthrough presented, it's small wander Messiah didn't go charging onwards to certain death. There are also a fair number of ZEON people engaged against Carnage on the far eastern flank. Dunno if there are any Music scouts there at all. That said, there do seem quite a large number of ZEON players I haven't seen much from. Sleepers? Farmers? Or some plan to defend the Arma Core. Certainly a lot of walls... ;)

Finally, it is impossible to describe to outsiders what the atmosphere inside BoW is like right now. Heh, I began typing the next sentence and then had to erase it. Yeah, it really is impossible to describe. :(

03:15:22 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Zackira of Strike:

im not dead i got a army that gona help zeon with carnage so...

03:20:12 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Barny:

Ok, I'm in ZEON, I started the era in BOW but left it to join ZEON, I'm not vice, but I guess my opinion still matters.

We have REALLY tried to help everyone in the alliance, I swear that we are making a conscious effort. It's just that for the later part of the era, we sort of saw this coming, so we wanted to cast armageddon in order to prevent Carnage from massacring everyone.

In the recent time leading up to casting armagedon, we had to fill blockers with TONS of troops.

Due to having somewhat *beep*ty and relaxed recruiting policies towards the start of the era, we attracted a lot of people who cared more for themselves than the kingdom. Many of those people turned out to just be traitors, or hardcore farmers. Next era I am certain that we won't accept just anyone into ZEON.

In summary, I'm REALLY sorry that we couldn't help you guys with a lot of traitors, we were trying to help you out with armageddon, and we were sort of caught at a bad time to deal with BOW traitors.

As for BOW... from the time I spent with them; they have almost no communication. Karac thinks that moderators will cheat and read the kd forums section and know his plans, so he has everyone use an alternative forum site, which NO ONE took the time to register on.

Also, almost everyone in BOW cared more for themselves than the good of the kingdom, never read the forums, and many betrayed BOW too. BOW also possibly has one of the *beep*tiest recruiting policies of all kingdoms, accepting anyone including know traitors. Also, they didn't boot know cheaters.

So in total summary
; we in ZEON have been trying to help the alliance at all times, even when it didn't seem like it we were doing something to help, like fighting Carnage in the east or filling blockers for armageddon.

As for BOW...  that have some really good respectable players like Gothrim, but unfortunatly not enough. Most of them suck because they don't communicate. Also, due to BOW not booting know cheaters like Feeder and Blackmemes, even when they were attacking ZEON, ZEON and BOW have been on shaky ground  all era, and I doubt we would ever MAP them again.

On a side note... I remember at one point Karac threatened to take all my cities in BOW core because he thought we weren't sending him enough help.

03:26:34 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Lucimorth:

Well, i guess it looked not very good from where I stood. But it makes sense that you had loads of troops in blockers to protect the arma core thingy.

Perhaps Zeon is not as bad as BoW...and not even that bad at all...just, i dunno...this era totaly made me loose faith in alliances.

05:07:31 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Smuff:


here goes nothing.

Rump left BoW after he messed up with a merge and left a blocker undefended (not totaly his fault) but the way he spoke to other vices and tryed to play the blame game was unacceptable. We (BoW) promised not to attack him, untill he turned his armies towards Music, then i slaughtered a 100k army. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE OVER MUSIC TOWNS, so Lucimorth shh ;P:


Mr. Rumpnissen The Evighetsmaskin [] (10/5/2007 12:17:13 AM)

lol touch any city and ill just raze it before you can do anything i wasn't going to attck BoW but it seems you greedy people can't hold off a city.
You (10/5/2007 10:11:56 AM)
us greedy people?! you leave a kingdom to attack an undefended Music core (who happen to be our allies)!!!

we are not going to sit back while you do this.
Mr. Rumpnissen The Evighetsmaskin [] (10/5/2007 7:15:07 PM) GOOD BAD
shall death be with BoW then.


Id rather deal hashly with this threat than carnage (honouable players) seeing as our war woth carnage took a dive once rump *beep*ed up.

And as for us tyring to be considered a 'top' kingdom: this was our first era fro mthe restart, we wernt explecting too much in they way of a strong finish, we were trying to weed out the good players from the bad. im quite happy with the overall preformance of the kingdom (known players discluded) we have gained many good players like Heero Guy, Shpedro and others.

Next era you shall see a BoW the other side of a slim fast diet.

05:12:12 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Blue Dog Anchorite:

Yeah we were wondering what was going on, we were told that bow was not going to touch rump, then we heard otherwise:P Just looks like a player who knew he wasnt going to stay with his kingdom so decided to up his own score by going untagged.

<Id rather deal hashly with this threat than carnage (honouable players) seeing as our war woth carnage took a dive once rump *beep*ed up.>

Come on smuff, the dive occurred long before rump messed up;) But some of your guys really put up a nice fight:)

06:09:31 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Smuff:

i agree that a dive happened way before rump *beep*ed up. but we jjust finally managed to get a few good merged organised. its a shame we had no seriouse mage support then he *beep*ed a major merge. oh well, no use crying over split milk ayae.

06:29:47 Oct 6th 07 - Duke Tiber Septim IV:

*Septim suddenly bursts through the window with two dead squirells in his hands.


08:59:53 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Heroix:

What's wrong with ZEON for you? Music didn't argue with ZEON. There was only few situations with BoW o.O

09:35:49 Oct 6th 07 - Pirate Lewatha:

maybe this'll be a lesson for those people with their easy recruitment policies. You have head traitors all era long. and the only one that can be blamed for it. Is you.

10:46:11 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Love:

No i blame you Lewatha.

10:47:32 Oct 6th 07 - Pirate Lewatha:

aww, you got me :( They're all my multies.

12:14:47 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Spoon:

And spoon, stop complaining about rumpsomething attacking you.  Its called KARMA

I didn't complain you *beep*!
About the alliance:
I keep saying it: But these topics won't do anything but piss people off. I'm thankfull to BoW for helping us against that Rumppiss guy. Zeon have also saved our asses quite a few times.

Lets just leave this topic as it is, finish the era in harmony! Music members- PM me if it bothers you, please! No public topics.

No more Music posts please, unless hell breaks loose now.


12:53:50 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Messiah:


FRIENDS AND FOES! As we are speaking Zeon are marching on Carnage's cores. We have the strongest merge on the map, and some of the single most strongest armies lurking about. ALLIES, retreat to your assigned blockers. DEFEND our core and give up all else. Carnage will be crushed, if you can hold your blockers we can escape the same fate. Zeon's blockers will hold, but if we need to divert troops to defend from attacks via BOW/Music area it will be harder.

13:04:02 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Acelnorst:

Omg, an announcement up to the honour of his name lol.

14:38:00 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Blue Dog Anchorite:

< As we are speaking Zeon are marching on Carnage's cores. >

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing:P Should someone tell him that his "merge" hasnt even gone anywhere near our original core? Or our other southern cores?


<We have the strongest merge on the map, >

Hate to break some bad news again mate, we have eits on that merge, and we have our largest merge heading your way, all  i'll say:P

Hey here's an idea, why not pit your merge against ours, instead of making us give chase?:)


<Carnage will be crushed, if you can hold your blockers >

Alot of other kingdoms have tried and have never completely crushed. Especially considering how many days are left. Think of Carnage as athletes foot, we never really go away^^

14:39:52 Oct 6th 07 - Pirate Lewatha:

augh, that wasn't very wise to say.

How could you possibly know that you have the strongest merge?

You are indeed, not near their core.

14:44:55 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Blue Dog Anchorite:

Nice army love:D Now that one has us worried^^



14:45:25 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

oh yeah shure you have the strongest merge lol.
all youve been doing is avouding our waves of armies knowing it will be music and bow that will take the blow farmed all era and now your sneaking true. shoulnt you be confronting merges if yours is the strongest?

and ''Love'' comeing true nemes area is not to be appreciated at all.

14:52:09 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Blue Dog Anchorite:

@dreadii: Yeah I had the same question as well, i was confident that he would be stuck at nemesis blockers and would have to travel the long way around:( I guess he must have found a path, hate to think it happened a different way:(

14:59:05 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

yes i wonder how he could possibly pass this blocker :P


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15:00:06 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Blue Dog Anchorite:

Considering it was closed when i looked at it yesterday...(i have screenshots:)

15:01:31 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

i feel insulted

15:05:14 Oct 6th 07 - Lord Yerean:

Messiah, you made my day!!!!!!!
Seriously, it was the FUNNIEST comment i've read this era!!!

You really sound like a messiah from god.... (you know, he's my favorite fiction character)...

We'll see what happens at the end of era!

Great humor messiah!!!!!! :D

19:11:16 Oct 6th 07 - Mr. Messiah:

I dont know if it is the strongest, but its named that :P Though we didnt bring all the troops we where supposed to =(.. If we turn bless on we have 60-70 mil op.. But I wont jeopordize(spelling?) pitching it against your merge Carnage. I will just move down along the west and burn your lands down.. =)

And we have more surpises for ya =)

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