|Fantasia Age 7|
|09:44:48 Apr 1st 11 - Mr. Napoleon Bonaparte:|
Someone had to make it...
|09:46:04 Apr 1st 11 - Mr. Napoleon Bonaparte:|
|10:10:24 Apr 1st 11 - I am Tha Master Wanker:|
|17:36:40 Apr 1st 11 - Mr. Pure:|
The Native People has won 0 battles, captured 0 cities and killed a total of 258 men and women.
|17:55:36 Apr 1st 11 - I am Tha Master Wanker:|
HACKERS!! Zond tell Zeta to ban them...
|16:39:52 Apr 2nd 11 - Mr. Hanky Panky:|
We challenge you all to a farm off!
|19:21:35 Apr 4th 11 - Mr. Luispocho:|
uuuu i think i am in a bad position
|21:07:09 Apr 4th 11 - I am Tha Master Wanker:|
|08:21:06 Apr 15th 11 - Mr. Barny:|
I see the forums are active as always, with the whole no post in 10 days and everything!
I didn't play last era, but I think I will jump right into this era. Did it start on April 1st? If that is the case than I will certainly be starting a bit late!
|09:18:54 Apr 15th 11 - Mr. Tyrgalon The Troll:|
14 days since it started according to "worlds" window.
|09:20:32 Apr 15th 11 - I am Legend:|
BARNY!! <3 :p
|05:08:01 Apr 22nd 11 - Mr. Mercator:|
I want to get past Grand Duchy's blocker so bad.
|06:52:57 Apr 22nd 11 - Ms. Binhette The Contrabandista:|
really? 21 days open
how lame lol
Armageddon will end the world of Fantasia in 240 days unless the city of Lietuva is destroyed!!
|07:01:16 Apr 22nd 11 - Ms. Binhette The Contrabandista:|
I take that back, I'm ready to go VU comatose again :)
|10:47:47 Apr 22nd 11 - I am Tha Master Wanker:|
I find it amusing that you said it was lame.
You know what lame is. DS doing this 2 eras after each other. And then even earlier. Thats lame.
But since you took it back. No harm done.
|10:55:14 Apr 22nd 11 - Ms. Snookie Umpalumpa Maximus:|
Like I care what you think Hanky (isn't it) ?
I b!tched about them casting it too so... I'm predictable at least :)
|11:33:26 Apr 22nd 11 - I am Tha Master Wanker:|
Wut me Hanky? I aint no GINGER!
Apperently you are...
|04:15:15 Apr 23rd 11 - Ms. Binhette The Contrabandista:|
lol the irony of that is not lost on me :p
|05:58:21 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
Uh oh, a kingdom who isn't Dark Side has cast Armageddon!? Ironically the players casting it were some of the most vocal players opposing the cast/cancellation of the spell during the last era I played, so we'll have to wait and see if the era ends 20 something days in or if it is canceled.
Either I'm fine with it. I may have started late but I'm pretty confident that if the era continued another 20 days Dark Side would win the era and I would be the most fearsome ruler again. However if is it cancelled, I want to see players start recycling some of the arguments made in this thread.
It would be fun to see how the opinions of some of the players may have changed :)
|07:56:39 Apr 23rd 11 - Sir Ryan The Archion X:|
Of course Barny, you will be the most fearsome. By doing that slave-feeding you guys are doing.
|08:36:05 Apr 23rd 11 - Prince Anonymous:|
If he was doing that Ryan it wouldn't matter. That is just part of the game and it can be done under the umbrella of team work so it would be more than acceptable in my opinion.
|09:21:48 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Elsin:|
Another era cut short by Hex or will they do the right thing?
|09:32:03 Apr 23rd 11 - General Who:|
If its cut short im done. Ill go solo on fant from now on. Screw that crap.
|09:53:51 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
Oh boy, here it comes! Congratulations Ryan, I have never had anything against you in the past but I am going to have to devote an entire post to describing why you are an idiot.
Here is the short version: I started the era 2 weeks late. I came OOP in Relentless's core, plundered 110 million resources + 480k slaves (200k of which have sold) and then land-dropped about 160k land.
Here is the long version: I started so late that I had to take a risky move to catch up, because I really had nothing to lose. I spawned in Relentless's core and came OOP with 120ish Nazgul. I managed to plunder/burn a number of cities, and captured many resources doing so (about 110 million gold worth). Because I had almost no land, whenever I captured a city I would gain the maximum amount of resources and 100% of peasants would be captured as slaves. When I was eventually pushed out of the enemy core I land-dropped about 160k land (land being cheap when you have none, as was the plan). I could have created 60k more, but decided against it as a great opportunity has arisen elsewhere.
You are an idiot because you saw that I have had 480k slaves on the market and assumed that it was either due to feeding, or that I was somehow being exploitative with the slaves. You are an idiot because Dark Side would not resort to such tactics, and even low-moral kingdoms like Army of Anubis at least have the basic intelligence to feed players who are already the strongest players as opposed to the weakest player in the kingdom. You are an idiot because you think I would ever resort to low-tier tactics like feeding.
Unlike MAD, Dark Side does not "clear it's roster of inactives" when we are behind. I have 480k slaves because I am a great player, not because I am a cheater.
|09:59:50 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
You are selling 259000 slaves for 55944000 gold (216)
I still have 260k unsold slaves. Here is my character news from since the era began. I will need to separate it into multiple posts due to the VU forum's 65000 character post limit. It's a good thing I never cleared it, or else I wouldn't be able to prove my innocence to derp derp retarded claims of cheating.
|10:01:15 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
|10:01:28 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
|10:36:02 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
That wouldn't justify it. Feeding inactives to a powerful player, using an exploit to make every spell you cast cost nothing, hiding multis in enemy kingdoms to backstab them, ect. are all things that would help your kingdom to win. They are also all things that are completely unacceptable. While I acknowledge that you are a good player Anonymous, your kingdom on Mantrax and you as a player frequently engage in grey-zone, low moral tactics, and I feel like that has something to do with your attempts to justify such play.
I suppose a lot of this comes to down to what exactly slave feeding really is. One era in EVUL an enemy player plundered our STGer of hundreds of millions of resources, ensuring that we would almost certainly lose an ongoing OOP war. Luckily I had been successful elsewhere on the map and was able to acquire a lot of resources, land, and slaves. I sold a large amount of slaves at a high price, and players in EVUL that did not by any means need them all purchased the slaves so that I would be able to produce an army to compete with the enemy that got a good plunder of our STGer. That isn't slave feeding, THAT is teamwork. I may have lost all of my land and had a worse era than I could have had, but everyone in EVUL made sacrifices and it led to us winning an era.
Slave feeding would be if Player A sells slaves for X+100 gold, and Player B buys the slaves and then sells them back to Player A ad infinitum. It's a pretty lame way to feed, but it isn't as bad as other grey zone tactics.
I think that Dark Side can win the era because we aren't in nearly as bad a position as it seems. We got a terrible starting position and made some strategical/political mistakes, but we are still in what I feel is a favorable position.
In 20 days, Relentless will have fallen and Dark Side will have a few more superpowered players because of it.
Without saying too much, I would be in a position to directly threaten MAD in a very significant way.
Hex will have completely eradicated all kingdoms on the SE end of the map, but they will not affect Dark Side for a long time due to the difficulty of attacking a well defended enemy across long, empty distances on Fantasia in the super-late period of an era.
MAD will still control the NW corner of the map, and they will still be trying to attack Dark Side across a small, semi-occupied space. The only catch-all to that would be if MAD is able to produce a superpowered player. Due to the fact that a good portion of MAD has farmed since the onset of the era, they may have some powerful players (like yourself, as you claim), but none of the same level as a player who has acquired great amounts of land and plunder through war. If you are able to topple Dark Side, then by all means be a credit to your kingdom and do so. MAD is a kingdom that had been around for a very long time and they have always had a decent level of honor and decent players, but they have a huge amount of non-contributing players. MAD's power % means nothing because most of it's contributing players have already tried and failed to seize upon what seemed like a good opportunity to attack us.
Also, EVUL/Dark Side has won the last 3 eras because we are the best kingdom on Fantasia with the best players on Fantasia, not because we had good starting positions. Starting positions are dictated by a number of easily controllable factors anyways.
|10:46:03 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Pure The Archfiend:|
Can we get a 5000 character limit on Barny's posts please?
|10:51:10 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
Hey now, I try to make short version! I would imagine that the visual appearance of a long post comes from the way in which I quote other posts and posted 70,000 characters worth of news. But hey, the fact that you mention character limits in posts leads me to believe that you read my short essay, so I am happy!
Here is a summary of the short novel I wrote above:
I didn't get fed anything, I'm sooper dooper pro, feeding is morally wrong even if it benefits the cheater's kingdom, and Dark Side is actually in a pretty good position and has a shot at winning if the era continues (which it probably will, because as I noted above, the hypocrites in Hex will probably cancel the spell).
|11:01:09 Apr 23rd 11 - Puppy Fracker:|
Barny, won't say you're my favorite or least favorite players (don't know you that well) and you can be a bit of a windbag.... but you do keep the forum going, for one reason or another. Don't listen to haters. lol
|11:04:15 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Pure The Archfiend:|
Puppy I aint hating on on HIM I'm hating having to read his 18391827398127 character posts. I feel like I HAVE to read them to know whats going on :L
|11:05:47 Apr 23rd 11 - Puppy Fracker:|
Don't hate on the long posts!
.... at least they're not ambiguous at all. lol
|11:15:19 Apr 23rd 11 - Prince Anonymous:|
Lol DS has no ground to stand on in my opinion when it comes to saying what goes on in it or other kingdoms. I am not saying its a bad kingdom in anyway I am just saying it just another kingdom that changes its name when its convenient. In this game of endless war your name is all you have.
|11:18:33 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Pure The Archfiend:|
|11:24:58 Apr 23rd 11 - Prince Anonymous:|
lol thats true Barny does say and talk about some interesting things sometimes ^_^
|11:59:27 Apr 23rd 11 - Pirate Lewatha:|
11:33:26 Apr 22nd 11 - I am Tha Master Wanker:
Wut me Hanky? I aint no GINGER!
Apperently you are...
Crossloggers will crosslog. You're all the same person.
|13:34:13 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
Dark Side has changed it's name one time, largely due to a significant change in our roster and the adoption of a solid black banned for it's tactical value (I seriously love that fucking banner, it's functionally useful). Changing names doesn't really matter, nor does it detract from the "ground we stand on". If anything your lack of morals and sense of what is appropriate to do in-game detracts from your credibility in arguments regarding the subject. I know that you always operate in the best interest of your kingdom, but that is usually at the expense of the game and the community surrounding it.
Again, we have changed our name a whole 1 time, and a leader of a kingdom like AOA lecturing Dark Side regarding "credibility" is quite inappropriate. AOA is easily one of the least respectable/credible kingdoms that there is (to be fair it has a solid roster, decent organization, and some good players; but it does a lot of grey-zone play). Again, I actually regard you as being one of the few really good players in VU at the moment, but you often resort to tactics that are questionable at best. I should note that if I thought you were a bad player I wouldn't sugar coat it, I would say it outright as another ad-hominem to use against you.
I wouldn't say I enjoy writing long posts, but I don't mind it. I do enjoy belittling players like Ryan who throw false, poorly constructed accusations against me.
Holy shit, that is a blunt way of putting it! But to be fair I know what you are trying to say. On Fantasia, due to the size of the map and how long an era can last wars/eras are decided by a small number of super-powerful players in the latest stage of an era. People reach that level of power numerous ways, but it's usually either through an STG funded timing-attack, ludicrous amounts of land capture/plunder, or by a farming-funded timing attack.
The easiest way to get there is through successful fighting. Fantasia is a large open map that is loosely populated by a few large and decent kingdoms and a few shitty, terrible kingdoms. The terrible kingdoms are just fodder for the better kingdoms and player. As Orc especially, it's easy to gain mobility on the map and eat up the shitty kingdoms regardless of their position on the map. You can't compete with Halflings playing in a standard manner so you have to try to somehow gain an advantage. It's important to recognize that as the era reaches the later stages it's nearly impossible to attack across large empty spaces, and individually having access to AOTD is essential. Orcs can easily get 8 military 6 magic, but for Halfling to do so viably they need to open with pre-OOP STG, thus 95% of Halflings who arent mages will not gain access to the spell.
I think that the tactics that you and I use are a bit different. You always tend to focus on a large, well timed attack. This type of play is particularly effect on Mantrax and I do it myself on that map as well. If you make it your goal, it can be unstoppable if you focus your resources on getting easy plunders and building yourself up with farming/STG, then pumping out an unbeatable army and singlehandedly causing the collapse of a kingdom.
On Fantasia I feel that the quality of kingdoms and the map itself makes using other tactics more viable. Every era since the changes to Fantasia I have always had a dominating performance, usually with 150+ battles/city captures. The key to that success is to avoid committing yourself to a losing situation and identifying opportunities. I rarely ever had an actual army during most of those eras until the very latest stages of the era, almost all of the fighting I did was done using 4950 Pony Rider armies or 15-130 Nazgul armies. It's easy to enter cores at open, loosely defended angles and quickly topple even the most well organized kingdoms before they can react to what you are doing.
Part of identifying opportunity involves understanding how the era is going to progress and understanding relevant game mechanics. Take 2 eras ago, for instance. I knew that the left side of the map contained Abydos and then a few shitty kingdoms. I knew that if the era progressed Abydos would eat up those shitty kingdoms, but I also knew that I could easily do that myself, and I knew that a large empty space separated the East from the West. One of the MOST IMPORTANT concept to understand is that it is almost impossible to successfully attack across large, empty spaces in the later stages of an era on Fantasia. If you can successfully capture territory that is isolated by empty space, it will be extremely difficult for an enemy to take it back past the 3-4 week mark of an era.
I know that most VU players won't read this whole post, and I also know that most VU players are fucking terrible the game. Mages these days are garbage, and so are most other players. Hell, on Fantasia this era there is plenty of opportunity and almost no one is seizing it.
Well, that's my 2 cents. In general I don't feel that you and I are too alike outside of having a good understanding of how the game works and how to succeed, our opinions on what is acceptable play and what is not separate us by a large margin.
|14:47:44 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Pure:|
^^Guide to win Fantasia guys
|16:16:27 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Aloysius:|
Im back from a three day inactivity. :D
What happened here?
|19:09:41 Apr 23rd 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
My own strategy book! And it REALLY is a book! But on a serious note, if you are a good player and are able to reach an extremely powerful state than you can bring your kingdom to victory.
Mr. Barny The Late Starter has won 9 battles, captured 17 cities and killed a total of 3177 men and women.
A hard earned #6 Most Fearsome spot! I had to kill a whole 3k troops to earn this! It was my goal for the era to reach #1 Most Fearsome and 500k land without ever winning a battle or killing a troop, but it looks like that won't be happening this era.
I apologize to the families of the 3 thousand Gaia I have killed.
Godspeed men. Godspeed.
|07:15:31 Apr 24th 11 - Mr. Aloysius:|
Im in a powerful state already. But not in a extreme superlative state. :)
Guys, quit this thing. let's have fun in the battlefield instead. :)
|09:46:36 Apr 24th 11 - Puppy Fracker:|
It's almost as if we contradict ourselves.... we hate that the forum is dead, but then we try halting arguments by saying "let's have fun on the battlefield" ? insanity!
|13:27:49 Apr 24th 11 - Mr. Pure:|
Actually Aloy tends to stay away from the forums unless shit is going down with MaD. It's usually the same people saying it. The people that use to play when there was 20 comments in a tick are the ones more who say it but not all of them like Aloy xD
|17:14:25 Apr 24th 11 - Ms. Bluelight:|
|19:07:37 Apr 24th 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
I swear, this guy has got to be my biggest fan or something. First he drains a whole 3 million gold worth of sciences (Level 6 Military, probably cost him 30 million to drain it) and now he tries 5 times to EQ a 90k that is full of MU.
09:56:05 - Mr. Regenerates attempted to cast a spell upon us.
09:55:59 - Mr. Regenerates attempted to cast a spell upon us.
09:55:56 - Mr. Regenerates attempted to cast a spell upon us.
09:55:53 - Mr. Regenerates attempted to cast a spell upon us.
09:54:19 - Earthquakes shakes our The King colony, 36000 buildings where destroyed!
I bet you guys wish you had fans like this who dedicate their whole era towards sabotaging you when you start 2 weeks late :P
|01:53:51 Apr 25th 11 - Mr. Aloysius:|
I experienced that too, eras ago. :D
|03:09:41 Apr 25th 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:|
I've done it to others on other worlds, but the fact of the matter is that he just tried to cast EQ on a city with 50k MU 5 times in a row (I kept MU here to try to deter Steal Science/EQ)! On unprotected cities it's not even too expensive, but on cities with a good amount of MU it is extremely costly. That and a Steal Sciences earlier means that this guy is pretty much diverting all of his resources towards doing annoying little things like this to me, which is just kind of a pain in the ass :(
|21:36:08 Apr 25th 11 - Mr. Hanky Panky:|
You talk out your arse sometimes barny lol
Can we get a 5000 character limit on Barny's posts please?
that would be nice....
If majority wants a recast thats what the majority gets...
im happy twiddling my fingers for the rest of the era.. the amount of mu i can gather i'd be able to keep the whole map frozen until the end of arma
|22:30:12 Apr 25th 11 - Mr. Mercator:|
Who is at war with Grand Duchy?
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