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LDKs unhonorable play
17:07:50 May 23rd 07 - Sir Wolf Ruga:

Mr. Prezidentas [LDK] (5/18/2007 8:46:22 PM) GOOD BAD
hey maybe you want join in Lietuvos Didzioji Kunigaikstyste ? we looking good player for next era :)
You (5/19/2007 1:07:42 AM)
Ah, mm, probably not. I remain loyal to BoW, and I probably will be for a long time. However, I am very interesting in peaceful terms between the two KDs.
Mr. Prezidentas [LDK] (5/19/2007 6:14:05 AM) GOOD BAD
but i speak with Drakos he agreed with NAP , or he not write in your kingdom forum ?
You (5/19/2007 12:59:19 PM)
Bleh, leave it to him to not tell me anything >:O
Mr. Prezidentas [LDK] (5/19/2007 4:38:09 PM) GOOD BAD
:D hey bleh is bad word yes? :D you from where?
You (5/19/2007 9:09:09 PM)
I'm from Iowa, in the United States.
You (5/21/2007 4:01:22 PM)
Drakos said he did not agree to anything, and he says you need to message him again.
Mr. Prezidentas [LDK] (5/21/2007 6:51:24 PM) GOOD BAD
so if he want NAP , write me

Feraan Mine Iii

Owner: Mr. Prezidentas

Drakos did not immediately respond so what does LDK do? They send a massive army at my undefended mines, conquer them, then act like they didn't do anything wrong. The night before, I was also told that they'd been prepping on some of my cities but breaking off. I'm calling you out, LDK, and I demand an explanation. Talks were in progress, and you attacked anyways?

17:32:22 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Prezidentas:

You (5/10/2007 12:35:08 PM)

We are Lietuvos Didzioji Kunigaikstyste , we are honest and good players. We aren't offering peace for every kingdom, we have already peace treaties with some KDs and we would like to sign with you and other KD more , we are peacefull but we like to go into war too, some of our players are here from 3rd era, they know that you have very good players too, and ofcourse your KD is very strong too, so we want to make a peace agreement. We know that with new players almost no one wants to make peace in Fantasia, but we aren't new players except that the KD is 2 eras old. Please make your answer.

Kind regards LDK Viceroy Honor
Duke Drakos [BoW] (5/12/2007 6:38:34 AM) GOOD BAD
BoW would be interested in an alliance. A NAP is what your looking for?
You (5/12/2007 1:31:21 PM)
We looking NAP for same enemies , and some in your kingdom my old friends.

with kind regard
Viceroy Honor
You (5/22/2007 8:10:56 PM)
so you not accept NAP ?

Mr. Honor copy to me them messages.

Can we wait for an answer more then 10 days? Maybe he will not answer for a longer time. He should inform one of his Vice that the negotiations would be in someones hands. So who are responsible for diplomacy we cant know. We wanted only NAP not an alliance. So as you call as unhonorable, can I ask why we have to wait for an answer that long and didnt receive any?

17:36:19 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Architect: do realise that the whole point of this game is to attack people and take over right?  And that what has happened here happens probably several times an hour over all the severs.  It's nothing dishonorable, thats how you play the game.

17:38:24 May 23rd 07 - Sir Wolf Ruga:

Mr. Architect, can you please shut the *beep* up and read the posts first instead of trying to get post count? You realize this isn't like most forums and the more posts you get the cooler you are, right? That's not how it is here.

Duke Drakos [BoW] (5/23/2007 4:33:11 PM) GOOD BAD
Bull*beep*. They never wrote me again...they are being stupid/lying. I said we would be interested to there origional message, and they NEVER wrote back. *beep*s.

Duke Drakos [BoW] (5/23/2007 4:35:52 PM) GOOD BAD
If they want an NAP they need to write me back, they are the ones who dropped the ball and caused the misinformation.

17:39:20 May 23rd 07 - Sir Wolf Ruga:

BTW, Prez, I told you why it took Drakos so long to respond in my message. Drakos has been away for like a week or so because he had personal things to take care of.

17:42:21 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dovydas:

Are you joking man??? So you want to say we should wait for a week? And never answered so you dont read anything...

Duke Drakos [BoW] (5/12/2007 6:38:34 AM) GOOD BAD
BoW would be interested in an alliance. A NAP is what your looking for?
You (5/12/2007 1:31:21 PM)
We looking NAP for same enemies , and some in your kingdom my old friends.

with kind regard
Viceroy Honor
You (5/22/2007 8:10:56 PM)

so you not accept NAP ?


Differnce is 10 days man, where is your diplomancy, you can complain for ages but thats not fair from your side not ours...

17:48:04 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Prezidentas:

We didnt receive anything from Drakos that negotiations ongoing, you should contact me or our leader Dovydas,if you didnt manage to reply on NAP so didnt realy care about it, we played honorably, you were trying our patience or sth? So man grow up its a game, an if you are grown up already so you are big kid then which doesnt know what he's talking.

17:52:05 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

Verry unhonorable players LDK! They attacked my blocker without even replying to my verry pleasant greeting. :P

17:53:36 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

The negotiation is ongoing once you discussed about having a NAP yeesh!

17:55:19 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Prezidentas:

I don`t get message from you, and i don`t know where your kingdom location, maybe Dovydas get message?

17:56:00 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dovydas:

Never seen your greetings

17:57:14 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

Of course you did not. your not the one that had went and captured my blocker. It was your member Honor.

17:57:56 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dovydas:

And you are again traing to say that we should wait for an answer? maybe it will come in 30 days I dont realy know :/....

18:00:56 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

Naah... :P lay waste upon his kingdom by all means. Peace : )

18:06:03 May 23rd 07 - Duke Azaruc:

What LDK has done here doesn't seem really unhonorable to me...
If you haven't received response for 10 days, in my opinion you're free to attack them..
and remember that while you're still discussing a NAP, there is no NAP yet..

might save you in the future

18:06:12 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Killstone The Destroyer:

If LDK offered BoW a NaP (as it seems to me it happened) then BoW says yes or no until then you dont attack LDK

if BoW offered LDK NaP then LDK can say no and the nattack. But LDK did not say no they jsut attacked no matter what LDK has been unhonorable

18:08:47 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

I need a nap... *Yawn!*

18:13:44 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dos The Caked:

I'm not seeing the problem here. There wasn't actually a NAP right....? So LDK are dishonorable because they....attacked BoW? the NAP talks didn't seem to be going anywhere (sure Drakos was away, but they obviously didn't know that), and they were hardly going to just sit back and do nothing now were they?

18:13:57 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dovydas:

Nevermind then I guess if somebody will not reply for our NAP proposal i will wait for reply till end of era if it will be needed :/. Maybe everybody will play like that then? I dont realy know if somebody care about proposal if the do not respond ...

18:15:01 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dingleberry Dave:

If BoW doesn't have the courtesy, or even the decency to respond to a NAP offer, and LDK attack them 10 days later after no response has been given, then no it doesn't make LDK unhonourable. By all means, offering a NAP and attacking in the immediate future is unhonourable. But 10 days is more than enough time. LDK could of been waiting for ever, without attacking with BoWs negligence.

But BoW neglecting their messages doesn't surprise me, I had the same problem several eras back with Dracos and Karac. I had found a good number of multies in their kingdom after they had mass-recruited, I informed them, they replied initially and when I asked if they were going to inform ZeTa, they stopped replying to all messages. Needless to say, the multies were eventually deleted much later, but nobody in the BoW leadership seemed to have cared at the time, and were obviously aware.

18:24:05 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

ftw! Dave! Jesus has healed you! you can talk now. Im happy for you :D

18:26:40 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

Ok dave, lets just say I dont know you. Only people who have things to  hide change their name. As for the multies, we had 3 during that era, a lot less than most of the other kingdoms.

Now as for this, I will not say it is unhonorable play. They have every right to attack after 10 days. BUT do not start attacking BoW players, or authority for being inactive, I have just returned from having a child and have not known anything of what has been going on with politics. As for Drakos, he had been away on family business. Most people will say that family is more important than this game, you might not. Thats your right, and your stupidity if that is the case.


18:32:14 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dingleberry Dave:

Oh, I don't hide who I am, I'm just in the habit of having fun, and playing different personas each round. Most know my alias, and I don't attempt to hide it. What I do know though is that I had informed you well in advance of your multies that era and you made no effort what so ever to have them removed, and even ended up stopping replying entirely.

Hence my sympathy towards LDK, it seems a recurring thing with BoW leadership: when faced with an awkward situation, bury your head in the sand!

18:37:31 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

Bury our head in the sand? Alright, highly doubtful seeing as drakos, myself, and cave have been voted for as the best diplomats for many eras in a row, but hey, keep to your story.

As for the multies, every kingdom has them, just because one person says that they are multis we are to kick them? Ok, well, dear god, I hope no one ever claims that I am a multi, cause god knows, we will be required to kick them for one persons suspicion, or vindictiveness. As far for how we dealed with them, we decided to wait it out and see, rumor was zeta was going to do a sweep, let him decide, not us. Not our game.

And for another thing, whos kingdom is it? Oh yeah, Drakos' kingdom.... forgot, you know, with everyone telling him how to run it, asking about our internal affairs, and trying to push us around, oh yeah, i could see how i might forget that it is in fact his kingdom to run and do with as he will.

So please, if you have any suggestions, grab one of the cards off of the table, fill it out, and drop it in the box on the way out, and please do let the door hit ya on the way. Oh, and if you fill out the birthday club card as well, we will send you a coupon for a free pizza when your birthday comes around. Thanks.

18:42:06 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

are you female karac?  congrats on your baby.  :P  i thought you were male

18:43:49 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

Male, but nice attampt =P

Allow me to rephrase, my wife just had a baby, i was just there to support, and get screamed at ;) Then i took some time off to spend some time with my newborn son.

18:44:27 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

*Slaps Twamao.*

You broke my nap! NAP BREAKER!

18:44:58 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

check out stiltskin blocker :P  CTRL F then type Erica :P

18:45:36 May 23rd 07 - Lady Erica Brahmins:

Congratulations for having a baby! *throws confettis around.*  :D

:P Is the IRC channel ok? cant seem to get in.

18:46:37 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

congrats on your baby.  its worst having to take care of a newborn child.  you have to wake up every 2 hours. lol.  but, the good thing is, you can always get online while feeding your son.  omg. a super active karac!

18:47:11 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dingleberry Dave:

Best diplomats for eras in a row? LMAO. Hilarious, back to your old egotistical self-adoration, are we? What was it you said you were last time? O, that BoW was the best kingdom wasn't it? After you had tactlessly mass-recruited anybody and everybody (then got pummelled, lets not forget that)? You're a joke. In any case, I took the liberty to look over the past two end-of-the-era-threads. Neither of you got any votes for the "best diplomat", and I certainly wouldn't call either of you good diplomats (let alone diplomats, at that) with your habit of ignoring messages. So maybe it's not my story, but your story that needs working on? Or diplomacy perhaps? Either way, your problem.

In any case, you defended your multies that era and didn't have the decency to reply to my messages then, so I can see why LDK attacked you this era after receiving the typical negligence from BoWs so called leaders. They weren't unhonourable, you were rude to ignore them, live with it.

18:48:28 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

leave him alone JingleBells Dave.  Congrats again karac

18:48:29 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

Watch out =)

I can try to sneak on, but the wife expects me to help her. Shes breastfeeding, what am i supposed to do? Sit there and throw out comments like im at a sports game? "Oh, nice move, coulda gone all the way" ?

18:50:29 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

you can get a breast pump.  you can pump the milk out of the breast and put them into bottles.  so your wife can get a rest.

WARNING:  Stored Breast Milk can only last for 24 hours.  throw them away after that.

18:51:19 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

Dont let her know that, thats my VU time =P

18:52:36 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

Bah! you should help her! she just gave birth!  was it CS or normal delivery?

18:53:02 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dovydas:

Congrats Karac on childbirth! Happy marriage ;)

18:56:59 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

It was natural. April 15th. Took me out of the last two ages. It was beautiful, the lady actually let me do the delivery because i work at the hospital. I almost cried, was the only one in the room who didnt, but almost did.

18:58:04 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

Thank you guys for the congrats.

19:06:41 May 23rd 07 - Lord Weirdgrivi The Diplomat:

Damn, that rocks Karac... I think being married is great if you didn't get bored with your wife already that is..


And about LDK, the thing is that their English sucks and it's better not to discuss Diplomacy with them as you cannot reach an agreement and be sure that they haven't understood the exact opposite from yourself :)

EDIT : That's touching Karac, spread your happiness :P

I wish I had a baby and stopped playing VU, it's killing me :((

19:11:49 May 23rd 07 - Wolflord Karac:

If i didnt get bored with my wife already? What does that mean?

But thank you for the kind words.

19:15:59 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

Honor speaks decent english.

19:33:41 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dovydas:

Whos english suck huh? I think you are mistaken Lord Weirdgrivi The Diplomat. Maybe one or two can't speak very well, but thats not a problem.

19:35:35 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

Mr. Legionas [LDK] (5/21/2007 11:55:14 AM) GOOD BAD
We not send us scoout in your core,and when you send your scout i thing you spy us so i destroy him

Need I say more?

19:36:57 May 23rd 07 - Lord Weirdgrivi The Diplomat:

Don't take it as an offense Karac, I was just asking that coz me and a few other Kd mates have that problem IRL...

1-2 year old lasting relationships of which we got bored and make us unhappy :((

EDIT : Prezidentas is very bad in Engli*beep*'s not good ending a NAP if you speak different languages :)

19:41:05 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Patas:

hey Mr Haywood, English is not our mother-tongue. If u think that everyone in the world should speak and write corectly in this language, u r wrong :)


ok, Mr Legionas wrote a message, but I think u understood it. Dont u? :)

19:55:13 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Dakarius:

If everyone in the world spoke and wrote in english, things would be so much easier ;) Congrats to Karack!
edit: typo

20:28:04 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

i did not react rough!  patas did.  please read the entire conversation.

21:52:56 May 23rd 07 - Lady Tantulii:

In my opinion, unless an NAP is directly agreed upon, gear up for war.  Japan didn't go "hey America, forget about peace.  We're going to attack you when you really soon, so better get ready so we can have an honorable fight."  That's not really how wars go...

23:12:52 May 23rd 07 - Mr. Killstone The Destroyer:

in RL but in VU if you are talking about NaP and no one disagrees then there is an unofficial NaP until the terms are worked out

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