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Proof Aloy Uses MP Script
17:21:54 Mar 6th 22 - Konstant (The Ancient Imperator Imperiorum):

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17:26:36 Mar 6th 22 - Konstant (The Ancient Imperator Imperiorum):

Right Click on the image and press "open new tab" to see the image larger.

Sorry the images are slightly wonky, been struggling to get the biggest image possible between using the forum pics and copy/paste.


19:03:05 Mar 6th 22 - heroix (Conqueror Balzael):

Maybe you just have 31% to freeze Į\_( ͡❛ ͜ʖ ͡❛)_/Į


19:16:40 Mar 6th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

21:10:36 Mar 6th 22 - heroix (Conqueror Balzael):

🤡


22:16:41 Mar 6th 22 - Endless (Mr. Dopey):

what was your freeze percentage before dispel?


23:30:35 Mar 6th 22 - Konstant (The Ancient Imperator Imperiorum):

You have a degree in computer sci, Larry. You can easily build that script and doc a video.


You're probably the one who gave your buddy pdc the script in the first place.


00:00:33 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Ducky:


Mr. Aloysius:

:í(



The real crime here is why are you charging your phone when itís 100% already 


00:22:47 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

Leaving the phone charging while playing VU improved dice roll. Hahaha


Ps. Mr. Accuser, Report me instead, It will help things clear up. Hahaha


00:35:22 Mar 7th 22 - Matthew (Chief Trogdar):

Aloysius doesnt use Low Power Mode on his phone?

Nobody tell him that Low Power Mode improves dice roll for spellcasting.


00:46:25 Mar 7th 22 - Princess Aisha:

Few people in VU study the game to such an extend that they can figure out what percentage they should have when calculating how many mages they have, and how many mages enemy has, and they can almost pinpoint what the chance should be.

Percy and Konstant surely did all the calculations to determine they should have around 45%  to freeze the enemy army, but it gives 31% because MP gives that 15% to the target. Unless they made miscalcuations to what the chance should be?


00:57:36 Mar 7th 22 - Endless (Mr. Dopey):

I think if their freeze percentage was 31 before dispel and he didnít have MP on to begin with youíre still going to get 31 percentage for freeze afterwardsÖ


Aloy had his military first and at least magic 4 before he and Roxy and Legend took out sins, so dunno how theyíd guesstimate his magic level into their calculations 


01:02:45 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

if they study the game to such extent that they can figure out what percentage they should have when calculating how many mages they have... blah blah blah. Then their study was not enough. Study more. 


Unless they studied that a mere screenshot was harder to edit than a video. Hahaha.

Report me to Zeta instead, it will put this entitled being into his place.


01:12:19 Mar 7th 22 - Matthew (Chief Trogdar):

I taught Konstant how to use magic. And how to do addition and subtraction.

Break this one down:

Konstant is trying to cast Freeze, a level 4 spell. 

In the first screenshot he has 50%. 
50% on a level 4 offensive spell

In the 2nd screenshot he has 31% on Freeze, a level 4 spell.


Magic protection lowers success rate by (.25*A+1)% where A =  base success rate.

It's not hard to predict magic success rates.


01:14:31 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

Nope. Itís hard to predict success rates. 


Itís easier to accuse. Lol


01:16:15 Mar 7th 22 - Endless (Mr. Dopey):

first screenshot was dispel 50% successful, there is no info on what his freeze percentage was before the dispel cast


canít count how many times Iíve had dispel cast on me when I didnít have MW or MP Ö seems like a wasted cast if you guess wrong 


01:20:45 Mar 7th 22 - Konstant (The Ancient Imperator Imperiorum):

He auto-MP's himself - the freeze % before the cast was the same after the cast, that's the point.

Also, Endless, magic levels don't do anything for defense. Haven't for a while now.


01:32:38 Mar 7th 22 - Matthew (Chief Trogdar):

Maybe it's arcane knowledge but you can definitely predict %s right down to the exact number for casting magic. People had tables for this like 10 years ago (magic defense doesnt factor in magic science level). There were even retard-proof versions that just assumed the caster had level 6 magic lol


I looked at the screenshots wrong, one was dispel and the other was freeze.

So he just auto-MPs within a certain amount of time automatically when you dispel? 


01:36:30 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

a single screenshot is enough to prove his point. lol.


01:52:57 Mar 7th 22 - Endless (Mr. Dopey):

I donít think 2 seconds is long enough for a script to work ? iím not a coder so I donít know how fast they might be


 Does  dispel effects baselines ? if Iím wrong Iíll admit it but to me it sounds like 31% before and after confirms a baseline without MP to begin with just as easily as a script speculation 

I think maybe you should ask Zeta like he suggested 

I had those tables before my PC went caput :( 


02:00:05 Mar 7th 22 - Matthew (Chief Trogdar):

The screenshots are two different magic spells so I think the idea was that Konstant opened the casting window for the post-dispel freeze in another tab to quickly cast it

People do this for attacking armies etc where they open it in a new tab, or the market so they can refresh with fewer clicks.

Magic Protect lowers %s by (.25*A+1)%

A good way to think about it is that 'Magic Protections lowers %s by 25%' BUT it scales down


so a 100% spell would get reduced to 75%
and a 75% spell would get reduced to 55%
etc etc
(It probably works like this because %s for higher level spells are already lower so it has to scale down to compensate otherwise it would be taking 25% off of a 30-something-% spell)

As for tables with % rates on successes for spells I think those are secret floppy-disk era knowledge lol


02:10:12 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

Ask zeta to check my news page and screenshot it. 


Then, I will tell this entitled and bright guys that what they need to learn first. Hahaha


02:17:05 Mar 7th 22 - Endless (Mr. Dopey):

Heíd need to check more then the news page if youíre as crafty as they think you are


@Matthew, ha! youíre right about how old those not so secret files are lol


02:19:39 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

Well. Asked the server logs then. 


I canít wait to put the entitled guys in their place. 


02:21:12 Mar 7th 22 - Endless (Lady Artemisiaiofcaria):

what makes them more entitled then you? curious since you seem fixated on it


02:26:46 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

I know you can figure it out.  


02:59:17 Mar 7th 22 - Percy (Sir Percy The Economist):

Since my name was mentioned here and I've done some of my own calculations, I'll help clear the air:

I was ping'ed on Discord to help uncover a potential scripting situation, since I've dealt with PDC's past attempts at that and have a pretty good method to check. All I knew at the time was Aloy was suspected of it, and the guys know how to do the MP check, so I had assumed that was all squared away already.

Normally, we just check if EITS is 76%+ chance or whatever, and in 90%+ of the time, anything under 76% has MP on. If you had a lot of MUs, were Dwarf, or had a lot of AMs (at the time, I had no idea the content of the army in question), then a sub-76% EITS chance with no MP makes sense to me. I assume they did do that check, and if so could have mis-interpreted the results. I did not double check the predictions myself, which I probably shouldve done. A sub-76% chance makes sense if there is a lot of magic defense, as the % chance is based on MOP/MDP ratio, not MOP alone.

Seeing the EITS result now, I can confidently say Aloy did not have any scripting active, as I estimate a 30.94% chance to cast the spell, which rounds to 31%, which is what Kon was seeing. To be fair though, when I was still active, MAD players rarely were properly MU'ed, so I can understand why he thought MP was active, thats a rare sight for a MAD player to have so many MUs ;)

This whole situation is my fault for not asking for the report before things got to this level. I had the tools to quickly debunk, but *insert RL reason here*, so I trusted their judgment. I just dug through the Discord to find the EITS to get this data now. I'll do better at getting data before things progress in the future, my apologies to all of you.

And FYI: Jasmina is correct, we know how to estimate chances given an EITS report (and how to convert chances of any one spell to chances of any other spell), but I havent shared that extensively yet (unsure Kon even has access to that) so I dont think it was used (I could be wrong).


04:42:47 Mar 7th 22 - Konstant (The Ancient Siegfried Fafnir Slayer):

Yes, my apologies Aloy. I was clearly in the wrong here.


10:29:27 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Aloysius:

What are you apologizing for?


11:40:02 Mar 7th 22 - Death God Super Pdc:

Lol. Here we go again...


 If u cant beat them, accuse them
If you cant beat them whine them.


13:13:34 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Ashoka The Great:

That doesn't "Proof" Alloy using a MP Script or whatever. I will ignore what Percy says as he focuses on calculations too much. If Admin is here, I'd request him to rethink before listening to Konstant. 


Alloy is someone who is 24/7 active & critical situations like "in tick change hit & run" they are the people who refreshes the map almost every second till tick changes for various strategies & tactics. 

There can be lots of possibilities in here. Alloy could put MUs in the city/ army just between the seconds when Ancient took screenshot (not impossible), which will lower% as well. And this is just one of the possibility. I'm sure there are more. 

Besides this proof isn't good enough. You need +3 times of repeating events. Just one event will Not Proof this accusation. As Script is a bot, you could try to do same again & see if the result or response was similar! But you didn't. Which also says your accusation is "invalid".


13:58:50 Mar 7th 22 - Konspyre (Captain Hindsight):

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14:25:31 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Ashoka The Great:

Spam Report. 


I'm here for Blood only. 


14:30:12 Mar 7th 22 - Jarl The Bearded One:

You mean bans only? Lol


14:35:21 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Ashoka The Great:

What did you mean by that? 


Last era I played, I got stabbed from behind from players like you (unprepared). I left after I died. 


15:26:07 Mar 7th 22 - Konspyre (Captain Morgan):

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15:41:08 Mar 7th 22 - Mr. Ashoka The Great:

I'm here for Blood only. 


18:45:19 Mar 13th 22 - The Oppressed:

Get good! 


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