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|22:42:55 Sep 4th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
New scoring...no Hanky not that kind either
|22:45:15 Sep 4th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
|22:51:38 Sep 4th 09 - Lord Wraith The Bloody:|
But with the bonus, you'd just have groups of 3 man Kds working together as one kd. just a thought...
|22:52:19 Sep 4th 09 - Endless Happy Meals:|
how does that make it the best of both?
|22:53:26 Sep 4th 09 - Dark Prince Stirlin:|
just scrap scoring
|22:54:09 Sep 4th 09 - Lord Wraith The Bloody:|
His method means you have to kill troops to actually get any points ;) And the stronger troops you kill, mean a higher score.
|22:56:30 Sep 4th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
I cant post in suggestions unfortunatly :( dunno why but ....
|23:02:08 Sep 4th 09 - Lord Wraith The Bloody:|
Done for you Brett :)
|23:13:34 Sep 4th 09 - Endless Happy Meals:|
ok, make me do the math :p
|01:16:44 Sep 5th 09 - Sir Santa:|
If you devide by (Total land/ Science Lvl's) then yes, more science is good for your score. However, more land, is not. The higher your land count, the bigger the number you eventually devide by. So I think the second part should be ((1/Total Land)*(1/Sciences)) or something like that.
|01:37:04 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
No. Because someone with loads of land and lots of science is a farmer.
|01:54:29 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Stu:|
The scoring is completly BS!!
|02:09:36 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
Using enemy DP killed is accurate, as it factors in things like walls and GTS
|02:15:35 Sep 5th 09 - Endless Happy Meals:|
can you read the suggestions forum or are you just ignoring me? :p
|02:21:59 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
I cant post in suggestions. Im locked out of it :(
|02:23:33 Sep 5th 09 - Swedish chef Brashen:|
I totally agree that the current scoring is bogus.
I built 92190 buildings this era (40k were mtīs and gtīs ) the rest I conquered and I am placed on 94th place even though im biggest in the game by a margin of 350k land.
Im not that happy
|02:25:57 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
You have land yes and science yes...but you also have a huge DP kill which would factor you as being a better winner.
|02:29:29 Sep 5th 09 - Endless Happy Meals:|
kk, thanks for clarifying the zero factor :) not sure that I agree 100% with the not contributing to the game as a whole and I don't think everybody will ever agree on how to score the game but I like your ideas on the scoring enough to still give it a thumbs up/worth a shot at implementing.
|02:42:52 Sep 5th 09 - Swedish chef Brashen:|
yea I agree with the ideas I just thought that comment sounded like I would been a farmer.
|03:47:09 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Palpatine:|
congratulations to our era winning categories;
most battles won
most cities captured
most troops(or split into most dp and most op)
then era winner and naming rights is one of these who scored in more than one category. doesnt seem too hard to implement and it would be likely a fighter over a famer etc would win it(though a farmer could possibly still win it)
|03:52:04 Sep 5th 09 - Sir Big Mac Attack:|
Dark Prince Stirlin
|04:28:16 Sep 5th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:|
what happens when a solo player tops the hoh O.o
|13:12:52 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
If you can reach the top solo, and hold the rest of the kd's off that want your position, the more deserving.
|14:07:31 Sep 5th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:|
or era of bring back my money bitch.... :/
|14:44:05 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Killer Knight:|
(Total enemy DP killed * Total OP left at era end) / (Total Land / Science Lvls)
Surely this would help farmers. Just farm all era, get as many science levels as you can, spam troops into a blocker. Then just before era end, land drop.
Having 1 land is better than having 1mil land.
Whoever wars and takes a bunch of enemy land will have to raze it or a player who hasnt fought quite as much can land drop and beat them.
Lets say a person kills 20mil DP in an era, ends the era with 6mil OP, has 1mil land and 25 science levels.
He will have 120k billion/ (1mil/25)
120k billion/ 40k
He scores 3 billion.
Now lets say another person only kills 1mil DP, he ends the era with 3mil OP, he land drops to 1 land and has 30 science levels.
He finishes with 90k billion points.
You need a new formula that cant be abused by land dropping.
Also, what happens if you have 0 sci levels?
Total land divided by 0
|15:38:05 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Dread:|
where did u get that ridiculous formula???
|15:47:15 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
recalculate it again logically and you will see the numbers and formulae stacks up.
|15:48:41 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Roxbury:|
Last era was exactly the same, and the era before that. zeta said he was gonna fix the scoring but did nothing. dont get ur hopes up guys.
|16:18:01 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
Farmer will typically have large land, lots of science, low kills and high army count, even if its cavers or defencive troops.
|16:33:09 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Killer Knight:|
Yes, but land drop is still abusable.
Using your numbers
50000000000 / (a fraction, means multiplied by the reciprocal)..divide by 1/35, means times 35.
Land dropping puts their score at
If your formula is gonna divide by land size, then land drop is always going to boost the score massively. If your going to have land size in the formula, it has to be an adding or multiplying factor, a dividing factor makes 1 land the optimal size.
|16:47:37 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
its not dividing by landsize...its dividing by sciences
|16:59:32 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
|17:05:14 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Killer Knight:|
my suggestion would be
((Total DP killed*Total OP at era end)+Total Land)/(# of science levels*1000)
I would use you numbers to prove how its better, but your giving so much land to everyone, 4mil land for farmers when the best land score was 1.1mil this era, and baely any kills or OP at era end. I played on Arma and probably killed/ROFed about 5mil DP, and had rebirth not killed it, I would have had 5mil OP at era end. Im sure a bunch of members in FATE would have had atleast that OP at era end and probably much more DP kills.
Total Score = 214,285,785
Not the best formula on second thoughts. Land is basically irrelevant, science levels have a reasonable reduction effect on scores.
The person who attacks most and builds the biggest OP will win.
But if your gonna base it on that, why even have anything in the formula other than that.
DP kills * OP at era end
Simple formula, person who balances killing with amassing a big army will win.
If you stack troops but dont kill anyone you wont win, if you kill a bunch of people but waste all your troops, you wont win.
|17:06:35 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Killer Knight:|
Well your original post said
(Total enemy DP killed * Total OP left at era end) / (Total Land / Science Lvls)
Thereby dividing by land....but if its multiply, then it would work.
|17:37:39 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Killer Knight:|
A better formula would be
((OP at era end * DP killed during era) + (Total Land* 500) + (Science Levels * 5mil)) / 1million
The divide by 1 million is just to stop people having such high scores, thousands of billions is just too high.
Most people will kill atleast 1mil DP during the era and have atleast 1mil OP at era end.
Meaning they have 1billion points from that alone. No point to punish them for their land size or science levels.
Sure farmers will have higher land and higher science levels than fighters, but an all around player the one deserving of an era win will have all 3.
No player will exceed 5mil land and 40 science levels....meaning that max they get from land would be 2.5 billion points and 200mil from sciences.
Whereas fighting is worth billions to anyone who even does bit part fighting , so why can the formula not add all of these together.
Lets say a kingdom has a farmer, a bit part fighter and a guy who is the active fighter.
The farmer kills 500k DP, has 5mil OP, he has 2.5mil land and 40 science levels.
The bit part fighter kills 2mil, has 4mil OP, has 1.5mil land and 30 science levels.
The active guy kills 5mil, has 5mil OP, has 1mil land and 25 science levels.
Era end scores would be
Farmer - 3,750,200
Bit Part - 8,750,150
Active Fighter - 25,500,125
So the farmer who does nothing will have a poor score, the guy who helps out but also farms a bit due to inactivity will be ranked better than the farmers, but the active fighter who builds a big army and kills alot of the enemies will be clearly ahead of the others.
Im wondering whether the land should only count on fantasia, whoever lands there will have to NAP alot of people, or we could just make nobody land on fantasia and have a mad rush for everyone to try and take control of the map.
It might reduce the number of relations by the kingdom on Fantasia.
If you dont make it only count on fantasia, then people will not bother to go there.
|17:44:23 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Billious:|
I like your examples Killer Knight.
|17:51:29 Sep 5th 09 - Mr. Brett The Hitmanhart:|
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