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Really Amazed
05:46:29 Aug 30th 08 - Mr. Sorra:

This might be old to some but i just stumbled upon it and i was amazed.


October, 2001 (IAP) -- According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us."

At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because "it would cause us a public relations disaster."


For a leader of a country (now former leader) to say that about there best allies is really amazing. I wonder why it wasent reported on more heavily cause I dident hear anything on this when the comment was first made.  

So you have to wonder, because this came from a leader of a state directed at there best allies, you cant help but wondering if theres any truth to it.

05:33:58 Sep 6th 08 - Mr. Khalifa The Orc:

HMM because it is true they do control the usa

23:05:50 Sep 7th 08 - Mr. Gallyon:

I thought that guy was dead ;s

23:25:24 Sep 7th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

Source please.

09:53:35 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Brain:

google please.
InfoPal - The Independent Palestinian Information Network
A subsidiary of PalVision Ltd., P.O.Box 25658, Nicosia, Cyprus

Oh, more sources + interesting stuff:

"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate."

-- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee:  10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation".

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country" 

-----Sec. of State John Foster Dulles  quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff

November 16, 2001
According to the New York Times in an article titled "Senators Urge Bush Not to Hamper Israel" (Nov. 17), 89 Senators signed a letter to President Bush urging him not to restrain Israel from retaliating fully against Palestinian violence and to express his solidarity publicly with Israel soon.  The letter was a preemptive strike against Secretary of State's Colin Powell's anticipated speech on the Middle East conflict intended to silence any direct or indirect criticism of Israel and from offering any hope to Palestinian aspirations of a homeland based on UN Resolutions 242 and 338 which call for Israel to withdraw from all occupied territories it conquered in its 1967 pre-emptive attack on Palestinian and Arab lands.  In the letter the Senators praise Mr. Bush for refusing to meet with Arafat and for snubbing him at the U.N. refusing to even shake his hand.

14:52:52 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

"InfoPal - The Independent Palestinian Information Network"

Need I say more?

"Media Monitors Network would like to expose the truth about black sheeps, propagandists, or crooks disguised as 'journalists' in the noble profession of journalism, who are paid or backed by intelligence agencies, political parties, politicians, bureaucrats, the Official Mafia, or the Disinformation Mafia."


Please post some credible sources otherwise you just look foolish.

Oh and by the way, when one posts such an article you also post the source, I don't have to go google it, if he wants to be taken seriously he posts sources not some copy/paste from some blog by a conspiracy nut.

15:30:27 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Benji V:

lol josef are u from israel ???? XD

15:41:30 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

No, do I have to be to want credible sources?

15:45:44 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Benji V:

no ,but ur getting all angry which means ur either from the USA or Israel 

and i agree with khalifa on this XD

15:49:11 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

I'm not getting angry, I'm just asking for sources and no I'm not from USA or Israel.


Why am I even posting here anymore, when the sources people are posting are some Palestinian blog and a by the looks of it Ron Paul/conspiracy theorist blog.

15:51:06 Sep 8th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Mr. Khalifa The Orc
HMM because it is true they do control the usa

Mr. Benji V

and i agree with khalifa on this XD

LOL so by that logic you should not be mad at the U.S.A. for Afghanistan/Iraq war, and any other things the "U.S.A." does "wrong", as it is all Israel's fault!

15:55:28 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Benji V:

lol wyzer i never thought of it that way , but ur right XD


nah im joking =P

18:35:22 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Bukakakashalah:

Re: Credible sources, such a relative concept, dont you think?

18:47:55 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

No, not really.

21:39:23 Sep 8th 08 - Lord Charley Deallus:

Benji...we dont joke with war here >_>


21:42:06 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Roheran:

Oil rules the world, israel and nearby countries have a lot of it. america is running out of it as is the UK. simple

23:39:58 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Brain:

Israel has a lot of it?

USA is running out of it's oil?

How about, 'no'?

And actually, the guy does state his source, right at the beginning of the article, did you read it?
" According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrae"

23:47:13 Sep 8th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

Yes, but that's some radio station I know nothing about, which I can't listen to since it's in jewish even If I managed to get a reception of it, which I can't anyway.

Until you can get me some verifiable sources I'm not taking that article seriously.

22:35:32 Sep 9th 08 - Mr. Roheran:

USA is running out compared to its intake. its foil of biofuels is a ruse to acquire extra wealth for ex senators who own grain farms. global warming is a myth to try and drive the world to use less fossil fuels. pre industrial age there were 1 billion people on this planet. the industrial revolution was driven by one thing... oil. there are currently 6 billion people on our planet..  so that means when the oil runs out 5 bill have to die... this is fact. global warming myth.. peak oil past... we are doomed. learn to grow a veggie patch.. seriously!   rant over

13:25:06 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

And your retard moment of the day brought to you by Roheran.

13:30:40 Sep 10th 08 - Lord Incognito:

Global Warming is no myth. No offence man, but people who cant look around and see the improvements need to get their eyes, and heads, checked. Seriously.

15:54:41 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Roheran:

do your research. Global warming is the biggest propaganda stunt in our history.. 100x more CO2 etc is produced my algae than any other source and that is a natural phenomenon. read vernon cole, oil apocolyse..

16:03:16 Sep 10th 08 - Lord Incognito:

Oh? Any links I can read up on...? Credible ones, because Americans are the only people who I ever hear coming up with this -.-

16:18:41 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Roheran:

i am from surrey, uk and work for the 4th largest oil company in the world..

17:30:02 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Captain Planet:

search for: george carlin global warming,  on youtube,click on first one with 130k views, skip to 2 minutes if you want to, that's when he starts talking about our "threat to the planet".

17:39:30 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

"i am from surrey, uk and work for the 4th largest oil company in the world.."

Need I say more?

17:44:59 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

PS: Considering oil demand fell hard the second half of this year it's quite clear we're not at peak oil at all. Just yesterday OPEC decided to cut supply by 500k so as to keep the price over 100 dollars and even if the cut there is still excess oil on the market.

I'm not going to lose any sleep tonight because oil apocalypse will start tomorrow just like I didn't lose any over the powering up of the LHC today.

17:49:20 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Roheran:

fell hard? it fell by around $40 dollors a barrel and considering it rose by around $80's that isn't a hard fall. many of the major reserves are over estimated by a significant portion and many contries have passed peak all. UK passed it a few years ago and are using up the rest at an unhealthy rate. this is duplicated across most of the developed countries that have reserves.

19:12:04 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Josef Fritzl:

You're confusing falling oil prices with falling oil demand, something quite strange for somebody that says he's working in the field.

All the studies I've seen indicate that we have another oil reserve right now to last until around 2050, and that's without the probable oil fields at the north pole, which with the melting ice from global warming it will be quite possible to get.

So like I said, I'm not losing sleep over it anytime soon.

19:35:27 Sep 10th 08 - Mr. Roheran:

the cost derision of oil is intrinsically linked with supply and demand as well as speculative sentiment.. you seem bright enough to understand that...

i wasn't predicting this would occur next year as that is ludicrous. 2050-80 is when oil prices are predicted to reach astronomical levels that will drive a global recession. the oil source in the pole isn't your normal oil that is found in subterrean voids, it is believed to be terraferma soaked with oil (as found in parts of america) and the energy required to extract in most cases is higher than the energy derived from the fuel itself. fair point though

00:44:55 Sep 11th 08 - Mr. Captain Planet:

Need I say more?


well apparently you're going to anyways. :P

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