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Refugees in Britain
03:33:53 Feb 22nd 16 - Mr. Torroth:

I got a newsfeed on facebook off of the Templars. They're daily spreading news about how muslims are having bad turnouts in the EU. Britain, france, Sweden mostly.
I'm curious if anyone on here lives in any of those countries and could give me another perspective of whether it's really as bad as they're saying its' getting or if its just some strong anti-muslim group who's trying to stir up some people into closing the borders before the beatings and territory claiming in cities gets worse.


04:28:54 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

live in london , have never actually seen problems in real life , online in media sources occasionally 


04:57:27 Feb 22nd 16 - Woody (Mr. Knight of Misfortune):

Live about 20 miles south, and work in Rotherham. About 3 months ago riot by Muslims trashed the high street. 


Slovakia gypsies, Muslims and white kids all fighting in schools,  1 white kid got stabbed by a gypsy outside the school gates.

Obv there is the grooming scandal that was unearthed in Rotherham, and then pretty much every major city a similar thing was going on.


06:46:07 Feb 22nd 16 - King BurningLegion (King Burninglegion The Blood Mage):

AMERIKA!!!


08:16:17 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

Would just like to point out though that white british are the largest offenders in every type of crime in this country. Also the rotheram scandal and a few others of similar type where commited by BRITISH BORN people of a different colour and a very small number of economic migrants ergo not refugees. There has not been one sex scandal in the UK involving refugees.


08:16:32 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

Refugee = People fleeing wars. 


12:04:24 Feb 22nd 16 - Bran (Mr. Bran The Toucan):

Torreth has wrongfully used the word refugee here to explain something else. What woody posted is to do with the original post but not to do with refugees.

Theres a clear problem with 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants becoming less English than their parents, who moved here to make a better life fr themselves.

I personally think we dont impress our cultural values enough in this country. We tend to keep it to ourselves and so many ppl dont really understand how great English culture is so they start acting like a bloody Ottoman or soemthing silly

theres that, and theres simply too many ppl moving here too quickly, which makes it harder to integrate them.

and i live near oxford and the grooming scandel happened here too. Although where i live doesnt have many mulsim immigrants, we have alot from East Europe and from Portugal


15:06:55 Feb 22nd 16 - Woody (Mr. Knight of Misfortune):

Sesughter, he said Muslims in his post, I took it as a Muslim post not refugee,  didn't even link refugee to the post.


Check the new reports ext from all the grooming scandal, there all Muslim,  and we will commit more crimes,  being 90% of the population?


18:04:18 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

Actually white british is around 80% of the population. And even when searched proportionally white british still commit most of the crime here. The news reports and the police statistics never really seem to tally do they? funny that. If its not blatantly left wing channels like bbc trying to convince you every immigrant is a teddy bear , its right wing media trying to convince you they are all rapists. Neither are true reflections. what they are is humans , and of course some will cause problems and some will not. just like how some british people cause problems and some do not. 


I do however agree with the comment about english , and british in general (although most migrants come to england ) needing to express there values anymore. The English seem to have an attitude of 'british culture' as opposed to english culture.


19:23:46 Feb 22nd 16 - Bran (Mr. Bran The Toucan):

i dont think it helps to bring race into this, there are plenty of white people who have anti  english values. jsut look at the ones stationed in the Calais camp as part of  No Borders groups.

There are also plenty of ethnic people who are very English and who love this country and are law abiding people.

The crime appears to be coming from  sub-communities within england who dont intend on integrating. If theyre muslim, then theyre probably pushing to change to Sharia Law. Some  are carrying out jihad on  english people. Look at how the groomers behaved in court when being tried for the Rotherham attacks. They think theyre coming here and taking over the place.

if only we were more forceful when applying the law of the land, we wouldnt have sharia courts, we wouldnt have would-be apostates  fearful of their lives. And  the grooming  scandels wouldve been cracke ddown on way  sooner and we wouldnt have thousands of raped girls. We need to start being more proud of our country and start expecting immigrants to be english


20:53:38 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

The sharia courts thing is actually not new. We have had jewish courts for ages and it is the equivalent to judge judy , they can not make decisions on anything criminal , only in civil matters and both the person who is suing and the person getting sued must agree. ANYONE can set up a civil court in this country 


21:26:02 Feb 22nd 16 - Bran (Mr. Bran The Toucan):

whether the courts are english law or not is besides the point. the point is that theyre doing it, and arent using english courts or calling on english police. they create a sub-community within the english community and alot of ppl arent happy about it

their sense of justice is far removed from what we would consider justice. their system is unfair to women. they should integrate with english people if they are to live here.

its also concerning to think what they will do in the future when theyre are more numerous, since they do have far more children than we do. will england become like lebanon in a few decades??


21:36:01 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

Lebanons problem is politic instability and poverty , neither of which are linked to islam. My question is , before the northumbria even became part of england , england allowed jewish laws. So what is the difference with a muslim civil law? It is for FINANCIAL disputes and marital disputes only , and the woman has to agree to abide by the ruling , no one can force her to go to it and she has the right to have it heard in a civil court. 


So in answer to your question , these are ENGLISH sharia law courts. Emphasis on the ENGLISH because there are alot of parts of sharia they CAN NOT enforce as it goes against ENGLISH LAW. 

The ENGLISH LAW OF THE LAND is that different groups legally in the country should be allowed to dispute there civil matters amongst themselves. English law of the land also emodies the idea that any british citizen can settle a civil matter between two other citizens if a contract is signed accepting him as the arbitrator(believe that is the word). 

So Sharia courts in england have to abide by the english law of the land and are english courts. I think the problem is more people being 'scared' of being labelled islamaphobics if they critique the courts that is more of an issue. 


21:38:30 Feb 22nd 16 - Duke Sesughter Kumasson of The Hunt:

ironically england has BARELY any immigrants compared to most Western and central eu nation but we tend to complain as if we had the most. and interesting fact is the amount of British people migrating over seas is nearly the same as the amount of refugees succesfully coming here.  


21:48:18 Feb 22nd 16 - Bran (Mr. Bran The Toucan):

youre trying to make an argument of lawfulness when i was talking about  culture and integration


06:43:38 Feb 23rd 16 - Mr. Torroth:

Ah..not so bad as the right wing articles I'm reading then. They're concentrated on France/Calais recently. Thought they have some in Britain who keep track of muslims in their country as well as a few others.

I'm under the impression that muslims are moving with the refugees into distant lands  to integrate/have a boom in children in foreign countries that would in a future generation cause their population to be large enough in number to have their say in foreign cultures and in so doing, inbed muslim laws into foreign countries.

Something similar to this was done when the "black/slaves" of north America decided to mass populate in the past 20 years or so. Now they have such a high populace in America that we can't kick the president out of office no matter what he does wrong. Or we'd have a huge riot/mob problem.

There having border problems beyond turkey..which is the key country that they pass through into Europe. They've been migrating for the past year I think throughout Europe. They're supposed to do things the right way and get paperwork for identity purposes etc so they can get work easier but there are those who don't...and cause all those problems that can be caused. 

The "grooming" scandal isn't even something I recognized by its' name. But the idea of it has been mentioned here and there. But I hear it's been going on in Sweden and other countries as well to certain extents. 

It's good to hear its barely making itself known compared to how these right wing article writers are making it sound. I'm surprised this thread got so much attention, thanks for the Input =D


07:00:52 Feb 23rd 16 - Mr. Pestilence:

Well, the things are simple.

The Estate made this problem. 

Bran was saying about Britain becoming Lebanon in 100 years and he sounds pretty logical for me.

The Estate is a total lie for standard people to understand what is society.

Society made the Estate. And the Estate needs a society to empower it (they will want muslim votes too).

Democracy is a total lie in a agreement with millions os people. It may work well for 3 people, not for millions. Your opinions and points of view are disolved in a giant mass of ignorance.

It went out of control. Binary stupid decisions.

We need more individual responsability. That is the only true path for me. Not having 326 babies per family and choosing to adopt instead would show a great advance in my point of view. Taxes rape your dreams, create years and years of distance of your big achievement in life, it slows your life.

As there is no single unanimous conclusion of why we are here on Earth, I can conlude that we are fragmented in what we believe.

But we can all believe in such basic matters, overseeing our entire past history of suffering and countless wars, I think that peace is the first one we all need to believe in. Or using Bran's logical we will cease to exist, in a giant spiral of revenge and competition.

The obvious results will be city regions crowded by muslim in some years. All you have to do is to say why do you love the land that you were born and make them understand the english culture without revanchism.

As they dont know the language, it may be complicated. Thats why they close theirselves into their small worlds. Ignorance of language repels the income of culture absorved. So they will keep more and more closed (except for people that have a free mind, some of them will learn the language and have english families), but most of them wont.

So, the Estate will mostly turn this guys into criminals (not having perspective) and will sell security a hundred percent of the times for society.

I see so much effort, brainwork, cooperation here in VU. Im not even from England. There are people from all the world playing this game (this is something rare), and we created a community.

We do not need Estate, They make the wars. These refugees are just the results of Estate War Acts. Like wise Isaac said, for every action, there is a reaction. It not just physics, it is life.

Europe, the rich wing of it, will have to deal with this. It is a reality.








08:18:26 Feb 23rd 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

I think the idea that blacks purposely have more children , or that muslims purposely have more children to 'outpopulate white people' is some of the stupidest stuff I have ever heard. Especially when Eastern european and poorer euro countries have the same issue with a lack of birth control and high birth rates. It simply comes from a lack of education and different cultural perspectives. I thought that was a well known fact?


15:10:36 Feb 23rd 16 - Mr. Torroth:

Hatred comes a lot from lack of being educated and understanding opposing perspectives. As long as hatred is a part of the human emotion there won't be any universal peace.

I think Sweden has a birth cap for it's citizens. but aye, quite a few EU countries are too poor to really offer a great deal of support for this ideal. Thus why they're trying to invite in a certain number at a time to integrate into their population. The rush of refugees on the other hand are too fearful of being shot for merely listening to music as a teenager for example..to stick around long enough for the EUs integration process to continue.


15:27:55 Feb 23rd 16 - Bran (Mr. Bran The Toucan):

hatred also comes from being wronged by someone or a gorup or people. we wouldnt last long as a species if we were unable to respond with hatred to those who are wronging us
sometimes people are in fact acting against your best interests and you need to speak out about it and act

noone said blacks or muslims are purposely outbreeding white people, they dont have to be doing it on purpose for it to be a thing. and besides, they may well be  doing it on purpose as ive seen videos of imams preaching that theyre taking over via the womb. whether that idea reflects the views of the wider muslim community im not sure.


15:41:50 Feb 23rd 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

I'm not sure how you think it even plausible that it would...


16:08:23 Feb 23rd 16 - Woody (Mr. Knight of Misfortune):

I too have seen it bran, we have a lot of vocal radical Muslims in the UK that like to preach on social media. Ardem chaudany, if that's spelled right, is one such deplorable human being that's said about out breeding us.


16:29:21 Feb 23rd 16 - Lord Jellybean (Mr. Jellybean):

University of Sheffield and no issues as far as I know.



18:12:11 Feb 23rd 16 - Woody (Mr. Knight of Misfortune):

Wow, about 15 miles north of me, where's you digs, near brammal lane?


19:31:12 Feb 23rd 16 - Bran (Mr. Bran The Toucan):

how can he live 15miles north of you and not know about the grooming gangs in rotherham or the riots in your town?


09:23:30 Feb 24th 16 - Woody (Lord Woody):

I don't know, I love about 15 miles south from Sheffield and Rotherham,  and Rotherham is next to Sheffield, so he should know about it haha


12:24:14 Feb 24th 16 - Lord Jellybean (Mr. Jellybean):

I'm a student, I live about 15 minutes from our student union. I would know if something happened in Sheffield, but I'm only here as a student, I originally come from Leicestershire.

I've not seen anything about these riots, but I tend to get most of my news from /r/worldnews, so that could explain why, I don't keep up with local news very much.


12:48:56 Feb 24th 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

well 300 people is hardly a riot , probably why he didnt hear about it lol


14:02:47 Feb 24th 16 - Woody (Lord Woody):

If 300 people is hardly a riot, what is it? 300 people throwing bricks and bottles charging police lines trying to breach them to get through to an EDL March is a ???


16:11:25 Feb 24th 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

thats suggesting EVERY SINGLE activist was involved , which they clearly wasn't. I don't know what it was but , not a riot i assure you lol 


16:11:25 Feb 24th 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

thats suggesting EVERY SINGLE activist was involved , which they clearly wasn't. I don't know what it was but , not a riot i assure you lol 


16:11:37 Feb 24th 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

A disturbance of the peace maybe 


16:12:22 Feb 24th 16 - Mr. Elelijahsesugh The Flamebringe:

Also that was UAF (a British group) vs EDL ( A british group). It was ABOUT Muslims but it was also a largely british riot. 


23:27:18 Sep 25th 16 - Mr. Coolcat:

i much prefer 'The Fugees' 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIXyKmElvv8


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