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There are so many selfish people in the world. Im thinking of those who get aggrevated by increased taxation. I thought having a fairly high tax rate, was something everyone liked. I mean, you spend a few percentages of your income, to aid those in need. Here in Norway, we've probably got the highest taxes in the world, of the welfare Countries. And all that money, you know what that gives us? High tech health facilities, 100% reliable doctors, which to all they can to save peoples lives. They don't have to worry about if they do or do not have the money to treat the pasient, or if he has an insurance or not.
Another thing all that money goes to, is helping immigrants, kids from poor families, and so many many other less fortuante people.  Isn't this just pure logic? I just can't see how things can be better, in Norway anyways. I mean, apart from the financial crisis we all have on our hand, our biggest problems is our roads. They suck imo:p

I just have to say that with the House, Senate, and Executive for Democrats this may not end well.

The U.S. will not work with anything Socialists, i saw this interveiw of this woman "rejoicing" because of Obama's win and she started naming off all of the taxes that shes not going to have to pay...

here it can only go two ways, either the ignorant "live off of everyone elses money" people will quickly get a big realization or either the normal hardworking middle class people like myself and my family will end up having to pay for them...

Where is the justice in my Mother working for her entire life and finally getting a house in here name? That is justice, she has gotten a small house on 8 acres of land and it is all she'll ever want or need, but to maintain it she will still need the money from those jobs and on top of that she will now have to contribute towards others welfare support when they are too lazy to get up and work for themselves...

I am sick of people today getting benifits over people who are more experienced, and work harder because of the color of their skin or the ethnicity of their parents...

its just not right, you work for what you get, and the will to work is what makes a free man. You work for your keep to support your family in the hopes that one day your son will surpass you and become better man, in the hope that the way you taught him to live was good enough, but today you work and they take it to give it to those who dont....

GIVE ME YOUR POOR AND GIVE ME YOUR WEAK

now we will become the poor and weak... Mark my words PJ, my furture and hopes and dreams as i know could already be down the drain, and what can i do about it?

hahahaahahaha

Checks and Balances are gone, and now Lady Liberty herself has had her dress lifted and she will soon be raped, and we cannot do anything about it.

Ya, one thing with California is, where I live, the hispanic population in schools has gone from like 25-30% to 75% in 3 years. Most dont make an effort to learn english and instead decide to just fail classes until they are forced to give them incredibly simple classes, which they only get high enough grades to graduate. They are insolent and lazy. I tried to talk to them until they all just laughed and jeered at me in spanish, those ones i avoid. There are, however, the ones that work hard and earn good grades and enter honors classes etc. All of these hispanics are the people that I actually admire because they are both bilingual and intelligent. They try.

The wealthier people have to pay more taxes in order to support the first group who are currently pouring over the borders. They need alot of financial help to keep them going, and they are still complete *beep*s when I try to say hi. I do not want to support them. Most of the hispanics in group B have motivated parents who just want to blend with society and earn an honest living, which I am perfectly fine with because they are good people. I would support them, but they dont need it because they have used their determination to actually make themselves into something.

Now, our corrupt INS runs around deporting illegal immigrants correct? Well, in my town, they deported several type B hispanics who were caught because they applied for citizenship. They owned a business that contributed to the town and everything.What fagets (spelled differently) is all that I can say.

I am not racist unless someone is racist against me, so dont say that to me. This happens everywhere with all different types of people and I know it. I am just stating the current situation in our town and showing why obama is pissing me off.

Has anyone actually defined Socialist for me yet?

Sean Connery for President!

Smart conscience: You do know he can't run...
Dumb conscience: SHUT UP!

Lord Soccerslurper Report 11/6/2008 10:15:01 PM

will someone one post this in The Hangaround/Obama has won.   Duke Maltorv Report 11/6/2008 1:46:18 PM "I am sick of people today getting benifits over people who are more experienced, and work harder because of the color of their skin or the ethnicity of their parents..." And I completely agree.  Like I've said before, I know people who don't do *beep* and just live off of the government.  And my mother, too, started out in a poor family with only one parent.  She saved up money and went to college and worked up to middle class.  And her brother, my uncle, dropped out of high school, got in a motorcycle accident, and said all he wanted to do was smoke pot while he lived off of free welfare--even though he later dug himself a basement. and could clearly hold a job. So yes, both scenarios are very true. The problem is, it doesn't always work out that way.  What happens when you are a plenty hard worker but can't work due to a disability?  What happens when you have a family or relatives to support?  What happens when you don't make enough a month to pay for the necessities of life--a home, utilities, a car, food, and enough to pay taxes?  What if you've worked all your life but your job never offered a retirement fund, or you're a middle class citizen whose company went bankrupt?  Or what happens when you can't get a loan because you don't have a strong credit history? sequentially answered..... 1. There are numerous organisations and agencies to assist with people with disabilities. These people fully deserve our tax dollars, and they get them. There is plenty of money already out there for them, I know from experience. 2. Supporting a family is your choice. If you don't have the desire to work hard to support your family, you may want to think twice about having a family. 3. If you don't have enough money to pay for those things, thne A) get a job. Minimum wage can cover rent, food, and even tuition for college! (yes, this is how I attend a prestigious university. Neither of my parents paid for my college, I worked for it for myself off minimum wage and loans and scholarships. I even lived  on my own, providing my own food. I had enough money left over, I even started my own business! It's not a valid arguement, anybody can survive off minimum wage.) B) Cut down your expenses. A car and a house are not necessities. food and utilities can be extremely cheap. Cook for yourself and don't leave electricity on! 4. a) Working your whole life with a company without a retirement plan was, again, YOUR CHOICE! If you want one, find a job with one. Even Wal-Mart offers retirement plans if you work your way up. If you worked your whole life, I expect you to be higher than a sales clerk. b) A failed business does qualify you for unemployment. Therefore, live off that while you look for another job. It lasts over 3 months (depending on your previous income) which is plenty of time to find another job. 5. A strong credit history is, even more so, your choice. Choosing to not pay your bills does not constitute a need for me to give you money. I pay my bills on time, and I see no reason to reward those with poor credit. In essence, almost all your examples are poor choices. There is absolutely no reason I (or anyone else) should have to pay for your poor decision making. It baffles me how you think otherwise. Sure, there are people who can't support themselves. They number that truely can't help themselves is far lower than the number that receive government handouts. Raising taxes due to the fact I work hard is ridiculous and absurd. It encourages laziness, since you get money for doing nothing.

Toke grow up...

i was saying my Mother barely has enough to make ends meet but she works hard enough to make it happen, she does have health insurance...

BUT all these other PRICKS that dont want to work the extra mile to get it take the money from people like her and the rest of the hard working middle class.

He will continue the wars out there, and try to complete the goals of george w bush. What's better is that he's one of the most loved presidents worldwide and will hopefully make people realise how important fighting terrorism and spreading democracy and allowing basic human rights is!

It's not a bad loss for john Mccain, but i hope he gets elected in the next 4 years

Lol @ Above Bloodspill, do you know anything about the outside world? You should really keep quite about things you don't understand.

Wat so u think the whole world loves obama? Pff, hes done NUTHING, hes nt even in office yet! Where the hell do you get the idea everyone loves him? I think that YOU dont understand the outside world. Anyways im speaking from my countries point of view, no1 here loves or hates him for the reaosn that HES NOT OUR PRESIDENT! We just hope that he'll get the american economy in control so the global market can begin to recover an also try an settle all the stuf goin on in middle east. Besides the world dominatin thin wuz a jk lol.

Bloodspill is clearly clueless about anything he says. If Obama would have ran in Europe he'd have won with 70-80% of the vote, depending on which country you're looking at. Europeans supported Obama by 3 or 4 to 1.

*beep*bra is european to. and he talks 100% better than you. almost everyone was wishing that obama would win in EUROPE.

  First of, yes the whole world was rooting for Obama, especially when you look at the alternative which is Mc Cain and yes, no one wanted for more years of Bush, thats just something the world couldn’t handle.

    Secondly, America doesn’t know how to prioritize enough. It focuses too much on outside issues and situations, to really make any change at home. They have the highe*beep*nded military in the world, and that if you add the countries with the top 9 military spending in the world; you only get HALF of what the US is spending. All that money is going to there war machine while they’ve been leaving there home economy to rot, Not fix a broken healthcare system, not treat an sick economy and not closing there borders and taking control of there immigration problem. But as long as your able to fight terrorism by spending massive amounts of money that could be used way better else where, who cares right?

    So what should the U.S do next. In my opinion, First the US should CUT there military spending by at least half. That will provide a huge sum of money to work with. Next, fix your Immigration problem. Take control of your borders and stop those South of you from entering your country illegally. You need to get some sort of strong barrier up there on your southern border and fast. You also need to re-vamp your immigration system. Make it so those without some sort of papers (weather it be visa or green card ect..) cannot get healthcare. Then you should make it that those without papers are unable to go to public schools. Those may sound cruel, but in these economic times, we will need to make some hard decisions. Anyhow, that will also ease the fiscal tension on the government providing even more money to work with. Then you will have to completely re-vamp your Well-fair system, in the sense that instead of just throwing money at those in well-fair, provide better job training and job placement programs. For those parents who refuse to be part of the economy, take away there children (until they get there act together) because 1, those children will only learn to be lechers of the government and 2, because the government will be better able to provide leadership and skills by actually being able to feed the children every day, keep them in a drug free environment and force them to go to school encourage them to be the best they can be. Then those kids, now adults will go out into the world as positive influences around them and be a working, contributing part of the economy. Your Education system needs to be bulldozed to the floor and needs to be re-built from the ground up. It's pointless fixing something that broken because it will end up taking more effort and money and time to fix it, rather then re-build it. Your healthcare system is in the same hole as your education system, needs to be completely re-structured, however, Obama’s plan is a good (when weighting the social and economic impact of his plan) short term solution and can be used until the financial crisis ends. Because those 2 things education and Healthcare are so messed up in U.S.A, you should wait after the financial crisis to start rebuilding those two sectors.

   Now you have done some very basic nail and plank repairs to your home base. Next is to ease the aggression coming at you from the outside and restor/repair diplomatic ties. The first thing you need to do here is close down that filth Guantanamo, open up a new detention center where you will agree to abide by international law , which consists of giving the press free access to the detention center, stopping the torture, Letting them hear the evidence against them, providing them a lawyer and a fair PUBLIC hearing by a CIVILIAN court not a military one. Also, if convicted, sentencing should be within the guidelines of international law which means no death penalty. You will also have to cool of the Iran issue, increase the ability of the Iraqi law enforcement agencies and defense forces to be self reliant/sufficient. Do this by instead of pouring troops and money alone at Iraq, provide them with free equipment(such as Arms, Tanks, helicopters and Planes), teach them how to use and repair the equipment given such as While doing that prop up there intelligence sector by again giving them training, equipment and knowledge of how to use and repair the equipment. That will ease the pressure on your troops and make the Iraqis more self-sufficient. As for Afghanistan, you need to throw lots of money at Pakistan and help them to avert an economic spiral in which the military takes control over throwing the government (like there former leader prevez musharif did) because that could be deadly, especially with the fact that they have nukes now. Then you’ll need to throw money towards Afghanistan and just wait it out because there isn’t much you could do (or even want to do) other then Throwing money at that region especially with the coming economic crises. There’s no need to get bogged down in another long hard battle (which will cost unbelievably high in dollars and lives) with the Taliban when trying to take the southern and western parts of the country where Taliban are still strong. The Taliban can also be found in notable pockets everywhere outside of Kabul(the capital) and are able to strike anywhere in the country with there car bomb/IED and suicide bombing tactics. That is a major problem for the coalition/US forces. That’s why best thing the US president can do now with the looming economic cries is just try to support Afghanistan fiscally and wait until after this economic crisis to decide on how to move further.

   After taking those steps I assure you that hostility from the outside world going towards you will go down. Now you have to strengthen ties with your allies and have started basic talks with those you don’t have. Stay out of world affairs that don’t involve you(most notably middle eastern issues) stop your extremely hostile stance towards by easing up your embargo on Iran, stop your “we don’t  talk with terrorists and rouge states” philosophy because that isn’t helping anyone. Ease up your embargo on Cuba and North Korea and continue helping countries that are hard hit by devastations such as many African nations and more notably Haiti recently.

 If these steps are followed, I believe that the U.S.A will be in a better place then it currently is economically, socially and safety wise.

You might actually have some sort of point if you weren't acting and writing like a dyslexic *beep*, as it happens I can't read retard.

As it happens I think Europeans wouldn't have had any problems voting for Obama here, European politicians don't have half the charisma and the ability to connect as Obama does.

EDIT: Why the *beep* am I even replying to this retard anyway.