No honor on Nirvana

No honor on Nirvana

19:40:31 Sep 27th 08 - Mr. Death Proof:

I just don't understand some that play this game. There is a way to play and a way not to. Why people feel they need to break AGREEMENTS between KD's is beyond me. This is the way NOT to play. The game is WAY more fun and exciting when you learn to play the correct way. This includes:

1. Not Breaking CF/NAP/MAP

2. Assisting teammates when needed

3. Flaming only to a certain extent...excessive flaming is unneccessary and makes you look stoopid.

4. Not taking cities from teammates when they are already prepping on them...some say strategy, i say selfishness.

5. Training nubs the right way to play...

if there is anything i am missing please feel free to post.

19:42:27 Sep 27th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

well kds that nap break never make it anywhere near the top. and all good kds train newbs so i guess you just got unlucky :D play on fant or mant and your less likley to find scum

19:49:36 Sep 27th 08 - Mr. Humanoid Invader:

Good call mod to call people on nirvana scum, real positive tribute to this game

19:52:48 Sep 27th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

i said nap breakers and the people he described are scum. if you are a nap breaker or a traitor then yes you are scum

20:00:39 Sep 27th 08 - Mr. Humanoid Invader:

I am not but Slade is

20:01:47 Sep 27th 08 - Duke Arzun:

then why are you complaining?

20:15:48 Sep 27th 08 - Mr. Lucefor:

I agree with this whole honorable thing. Why play if your not going to play the right way. I mean if you have a nap/map or w/e you have why do you need to break that. I mean i had a nap once and overnight they took me out and you know what the reason was. "its strategy" STRATEGY MY A** i mean no one is perfect and yea you have to make some tought decisions but you dont play dishonorable. There is a big difference between dishonor and making a tough choice. If you want to break a nap or what ever obide by the 48 hours termination law. Just dont go ahead and attack w/out warining.

20:18:42 Sep 27th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

osi, honor should be apparent in all worlds. nuubs entering the game that run into this horrible way of playing can not enjoy it for anything. this 'scum' is apparent in all worlds, and needs to be dealt with. honor should be regarded as a positive attribute. just simply ignoring and going to play on fant or mant (where i actually have played for the last many eras) doesn't make it any better. Nirvana is a good place to pick up recruits for a new kd and i would hope to find honor here as well. it simply isn't the case, which is very sad indeed.

20:29:01 Sep 27th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

yes soccer the "scum" are on all worlds but you find more "scum" in the lower worlds if not for the simple reason they are kicked out of the higher worlds. If you stay on nirvana era after era you will find out it happens more. the moral is kill anyone who betrays DO NOT accept any known nap breakers or traitors into your kd and strive to play on higher worlds

20:46:21 Sep 27th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

i don't want to strive to play on higher worlds! i like it here! :P

osi, i agree with you. it's not a problem for me, my kingdom will be on a higher world next era, no problem.

i am simply thinking of the masses, especially new players. i would hate for THEM to be in my position. and that's where my problem lies.

since it IS me, it's not a problem at all. i'll handle it and go about my era. i just want it to cease happening for other people's sake.

21:14:51 Sep 27th 08 - General Manna:

well when the name of a kd is *beep* Em, eh that's all i have to say.

01:10:46 Sep 28th 08 - Ms. Psykee:

The thing is...if you really want to role play...breaking a NAP is normal. There are traitors in this world...I think THAT makes it more interesting...Not playing nicely. If anything, wouldn't NAP breaking make you more fired up and into the game?

01:19:08 Sep 28th 08 - General Manna:

yes it would, if not you could simply hace nap or cf with most and just farm, uh no that is not the point. it is called a strategy war game.

01:21:51 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Lucefor:

Thats the most foolish thing you can say. Yea it makes it people fired up and what not but then what happens when you try to join better kingdoms or try to nap up with a kingdom your screwing yourself. The POINT is play by the rules and have fun. Dont get me wrong yes its just a game, but like soccer said it really doesn't affect experienced players but the new ones are the ones that have to suffer.

01:58:19 Sep 28th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

lucefor speaks the truth.

i guess if you want to go pick on nuubs and make a kd called *beep* em..........then i pretty much just look down on u.

02:03:34 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Otto of Alzey:

well personally.I think if there were no traitors the game would be pretty dry and routine.all though i flame the traitors secretly im always pleased when one pops up for me to deal with.

02:24:34 Sep 28th 08 - Lord Charley Deallus:

I think that a few traitors makes it exciting...but entire KDs is rediculous...they don't usually make it to the higher worlds because their reputation stays with them and the honorable KDs kill them off to keep things good...then they have themselves a nice war and the true winner ends up on top. I personally wouldn't make a NAP with anyone unless I knew of their reputation...I would also need to keep in mind that some members of KDs take out their personal battles with other people despite NAPs...if you have a personal problem with someone...you gotta prepare for them getting revenge or something...

02:26:53 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Haldir:

i'm hearing a lot of people dissing my Kd, sarafan knights. i joined just lately, and im kind of a *beep*, but i agree with most of this. if i had a choice, once i was in a nap, i would not break it no matter what. of course, its never like that. people betray each other(why, i dont know) and some people are just overly powerhungry. it's good to be ambitious but not to be so ambitious that you desert your allegiances. thats my two pence

02:28:38 Sep 28th 08 - General Manna:

well this "evil" kd is making it to the top and will make it to the top on fant one day trust me. ;)

03:00:09 Sep 28th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

Haldir, if that's what you believe you may be in the wrong kingdom...

03:09:41 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

"3. Flaming only to a certain extent...excessive flaming is unneccessary and makes you look stoopid."

Hehe, its spelled stupid.... A bit of irony there.

But the whole honor thing is actually a maturity thing;-) If a player is over 18(exception to this is the people who live in moms basement), he is more likely to play honorably, in my experience anyway.... Its the kiddies who don't know how to spell and like to cuss to show off that usually end up being dishonorable. All the immature people out there that do show honor only do it to roleplay and gain power ;-) Makes them feel like some superhero on TV. The fact is, the majority of people who play VU are under the age of 16(I believe anyway) and thus they will refuse to hear because they are perfect and won't believe anybody who tells them otherwise. Posting a topic like this is pointless and is not going to change anything. Guess you'll just have to get some skills if you want to get revenge on dishonor;-) Personally I think it was immature and stupid to post a pointless topic like this.

03:37:17 Sep 28th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

you must be a youngen then kind sir....

04:18:57 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

Its my 18th birthday tomorrow;-) But I'm not going to use that as an excuse.....

I'm not trying to flame anybody in specific in my last post(and I'm not targeting you in the last sentence Death, there have been many topics like this before). I'm just being honest :-/ All these topics do is vent the frustration people have towards dishonorable activities. And I can almost garentee you that some of the people who post on these topics have performed some dishonorable deed/s in their VU life.

04:22:35 Sep 28th 08 - Lord Charley Deallus:

...actually these topics kind of let everyone know who to mark as a heretic :p and also gives new people a nice perspective on what NOT to do...or be the center of our wrath :p

04:34:46 Sep 28th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

also is a discussion on how to prevent this.

04:43:38 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

Charley, there are plenty of shocking flamefest topics about traitors and such that I love flaming on as much as anyone else, but this is more of a broad topic posted out of frustration, just like the many other untargetted anti-dishonor topics.

04:50:43 Sep 28th 08 - Lord Charley Deallus:

This topic was posted pretty much directed at SK and F*ck Em since they are the only 2 KDs I have heard that are dishonorable on Nirvana...this is pretty a public announcement of their disgrace and how everyone should know this...

04:54:29 Sep 28th 08 - General Manna:

i think everyone knows about me :), they all have something to say. what can i say besides i like to kill.

also everyone knows about slade, so why even make this topic?

08:35:35 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Otto of Alzey:

Mr. Rubyian

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9/28/2008 3:09:41 AM"3. Flaming only to a certain extent...excessive flaming is unneccessary and makes you look stoopid."

Hehe, its spelled stupid.... A bit of irony there.

But the whole honor thing is actually a maturity thing;-) If a player is over 18(exception to this is the people who live in moms basement), he is more likely to play honorably, in my experience anyway.... Its the kiddies who don't know how to spell and like to cuss to show off that usually end up being dishonorable. All the immature people out there that do show honor only do it to roleplay and gain power ;-) Makes them feel like some superhero on TV. The fact is, the majority of people who play VU are under the age of 16(I believe anyway) and thus they will refuse to hear because they are perfect and won't believe anybody who tells them otherwise. Posting a topic like this is pointless and is not going to change anything. Guess you'll just have to get some skills if you want to get revenge on dishonor;-) Personally I think it was immature and stupid to post a pointless topic like this.

Ive played for quite a while.im 13 and ive NEVEER EVER betrayed anyones.never cussed peoples on forums.You mean SOME younger people do that.not all of them.

23:00:20 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Vapor:

no honor left anywhere even mantrax top kd cant honor anything either

23:32:50 Sep 28th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

Mr. Rubyian

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9/27/2008 8:43:38 PM

there is no frustration involved at all. we have not lost anything since the disgrace, and in fact have doubled our land size. these topics are about a broader concept, one you must not understand. that is the flaw we brought to the surface by creating these topics.

23:36:39 Sep 28th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

"Its the kiddies who don't know how to spell and like to cuss to show off that usually end up being dishonorable."

That is directed at the ppl who do cuss and don't know how to spell, not at everybody younger than 16. And Vapor, your kingdom has no more right to talk again*beep*zzy ;-) I guess that goes for you as well Kath...I mean Otto.... Sorry, your name is a little hard to pronounce....

11:03:43 Sep 30th 08 - Mr. Trainreq:

There's this guy leading some kd that i'm in sending some large army in the direction of my cities. There's absolutly no reason for him to send it my way either and i'm near 100% sure that he's going to attack and considering he's on the hoh and i only come oop yesturday, i'm gonna piss myself laughing when i kill his nubish army and take his cities LoL

11:23:12 Sep 30th 08 - Mr. Spiderman:

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what you call politics.

12:18:59 Sep 30th 08 - Mr. Pimp:

do NAP breaking scum pee standing up or sitting down....Pimp walks off, pondering another important life question

12:23:54 Sep 30th 08 - Mr. Spiderman:

No Bling. They fart standing on their hands.

22:59:58 Sep 30th 08 - Mr. Haldir:

i'm only 13, but in my opinion(of course) i'm honorable. i've never betrayed anyone EXCEPT when, in this era, i left my KD, Sarafan knights, bcuz i heard horrible things about them. some people may think i left just bcuz they were losing, but i would have stuck with them through the end if i hadn't heard about how dishonorable they are all over the forums. according to some people, i guess i'm a kiddie, but i don't really care. i live for honor, cuz without it, the game would stink. if everybody betrayed and backstabbed and lied, this game would be horrible. on the other hand, if everything was perfect, there would be no excitement. i guess theres a happy medium. maybe mostly honorable with a few players who betray...i will consider this life question

23:10:16 Sep 30th 08 - Mr. Pimp:

looks like its spread to Zeta with Military and their traitors and multi's...

03:03:21 Oct 3rd 08 - Mr. Kegstand Mcfarland II:

Well let us set the record straight shall we. Everyone on both sides is semi wrong in this whole situation between Chompers and SK.

First:
Supposedly there was a tiff between 2 members of the KD's and from what conversations I have seen between Slade and Soccer, Kakanas and I think Sorra were supposed to fight it out. Sorra got mad because Kakanas attacked first and won; from what I have seen. The whole details are far to sketchy to believe either side but one thing is perfectly clear...it should have never been allowed to go that far anyway.

Second:
If in fact the nap was broken by Kakanas,and I stress that point, then the leadership of said KD's should have been working to hash things out versus just letting things blow out of proportion, but as I see it both sides leaders Ego's got in the way of that. Yes Kakanas should have been punished and or kicked for breaking a nap to uphold the honor of the KD and Soccer well ill get to that in a moment....

Third:
You chirp so much about honor yet you yourself never gave the agreed apon 48 hours of prep before attacking. If you are truly all that you say then you should have waited to declare war versus sneaking in the backdoor during off times with abnormally large forces that had "obviously" been building for some time...hmmm this incedentally brings me to my next point.

Fourth:
I had been watching your KD from the start of the nap as I was busy and most likely one of the very very few of 16 who was actually doing anything. Anyhoo rant off, I saw that you folks were just simmering away for quite some time and had a funny feeling about it. I had an funny feeling that told me you guys were up to something. Now I can't prove this in any way but the fact that you had barely even fought anyone beforehand and all of a sudden you had forces streaming from your half of the core to our half tells me more then enough. In fact I even talked to you to try and sort things out but you had no interest in anything to do with working anything out which just solidifies my suspiscions.

Don't let this guy fool anyone that he has the high road in any of this messed up crap...Hell noone involved in that whole mess up to the invasion has any ground to stand on as far as I am concerned.

Von

04:58:02 Oct 3rd 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

von, as i told you at the time we talked, you haven't a clue.

First: Kakanas and Sorra were supposed to fight. I guess that's what they agreed to. I was not part of it, and when Kakanas plundered Sorra, I took up talks with Slade. After Kakanas plundered again, I moved my army in to attack.

Second: Kakanas was not kicked, and he attacked under the SK flag (which he is still under). therefore, by the terms of our NAP, it was over. He did not wait 48 hours to end, he simply attacked. That is violation of a term, and stains the honor of SK.

Third: I am expected to wait 48 hours while SK attacks us? You have got to be kidding. Kakanas attacked, NAP over. So, what do I do? wait for another of his armies? nope, I usually attack people I don't have agreements with.

Fourth: You have got to be kidding me. I was number 5 HOH at that point, and only had 3 or 4 cities. Want to know who I was fighting? You should already know, since you were "watching me" the whole time. Feel free to ask DA, ToF, or Leaf or even Dtp and FU. wonder why some of those kingdom are now gone? right.....

ToF was giving a hard fight, and taking up most of my troops.

again, you know nothing. We have the proof kakanas attacked before anything, and now SK knows what it's like to be dishonorable.

05:08:16 Oct 3rd 08 - Duke Slade:

Von dont bother Soccer is right, As a leader i SHOULD of kicked Kak but i did not
i will accept the consequences

06:29:34 Oct 3rd 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

spoken like a truly learned man..............

09:25:54 Oct 3rd 08 - Mr. Kegstand Mcfarland II:

Whatever you want to say soccer I already posted the truth....

As for Clueless....

First and foremost, you talked of honor yet you never showed any.

Fact: You lied to me when I tried to talk with you about that whole mess, you just wanted more time to make all the hits you could before people started waking up, anyone who believes your line of BS is full it themselves.

Let me say that again, you lied to my face not once but twice..your story changed about that whole mess 4 different times before you stuck to it.

I won't allow you to drag me down into endless drama games over this, I know the truth and I know who is "clueless" you go right ahead and try to justify your actions all you want but you acted like a coward and a 12 year old, the whole bunch of you did tbh.

Fact: It should have never been allowed to get blown that far out of proportion.

12:15:40 Oct 3rd 08 - General Manna:

yes you were fighting FU for maybe a day.

13:50:12 Oct 3rd 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

kegstand. if both sides seem to have admitted kak attacked first why are you moaning?

15:55:41 Oct 3rd 08 - Mr. Kexler:

I agree with this topic about the honour...there�s no honour in the game...people insult each other that�s so stupid...
I usually say when I attack for example...
no one says that to me :S

16:30:52 Oct 3rd 08 - Duke Elliott:

Guy above talked about rules. If not breaking a NAP was a rule then wudnt these players have been kicked. There is no "rule" stating that you must stick to NAPs or MAPs. It is just the honourable thing to do and i personally believe it indeed should be done.

As for CF, as discussed at start, CFs are only meant to be temporary. Cease Fire is only meant to occur for a short period of time...

17:02:22 Oct 3rd 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

Manna, when I have I not been fighting FU? oh right, back when we had the CF that u guys broke. since then, its been war :)

17:18:20 Oct 3rd 08 - Duke Elliott:

It's called a Cease Fire u *beep*. It isn't meant to last forever, it's meant to be TEMPORARY. Jeez ur dumb

17:36:25 Oct 3rd 08 - Mr. Death Proof:

but the Cease Fire that you speak of was supposed to last until a certain day....they jumped 52 ticks and took a miner before the cease fire was up. To me that's breaking a CF.

I was doing my best to move out of "their" core...

You (9/27/2008 9:12:32 AM)
breaking the CF a little early aren't we...WTF? why would you kill an army that had nothing to do with you...?
General Manna [FU] (9/27/2008 9:24:43 AM)
well i'll go ahead and tell you the truth ok and even give you a chance of something if you want to listen?
General Manna [FU] (9/27/2008 9:52:00 AM)
so do you or not? i think you will like it.
You (9/27/2008 11:04:57 AM)
ok go ahead... and then my miner was taken....

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