Thunder

Thunder

14:54:06 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Dakarius:

You sir are a grade A hole. Overall Carnage was split with an NAP with Eternity so instead we opted for personal Nap's with individual members. This worked quite well with Stormy, Soc, and many other Carnage members.Thunder came in and also requested the personal NAP which we gave since we slaughtered those that were hostile to us. This morning (or late last night) Thunder started taking undefended core production cities from us. I know there are those with little to no honor who play to win in what ever way they can, I was just not expecting this from a Carnage member. I hope that Thunder's actions are his own and not the will of Carnage.

As a recap: Thunder you are a top notch Dick head.

14:58:02 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

Thunder made a Ceasefire that lasted until talks between both Kingdoms were done. Talks are now over, resulting in no relations, so his Ceasefire ended and he can attack whatever he wants.

16:46:00 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

well lets just say now he's on my hit list and many other people*beep* lists to die

16:53:18 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Grim Darkhammer:

OMG Thunder, run and hide or better yet you want to quit the game altogether. You're on Von Dood'*beep* list. {shudders to think what life would be like}

16:55:08 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Cobra:

It's hilarious that PKS players are making fun of others.

16:59:09 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Grim Darkhammer:

Yes, thats when you know you're at the bottom of the food chain.

17:04:04 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Bidi:

On Behalf of my kingdom I extend our honor to Help a loyal friend and confidant. And PKS may have been a push over Cobra but your bite doesn't worry or even scare us. Can you say snake skin boots, I will have a few new pairs before this error is done my friend.

Thunder - we are here for you God speed my brother

Bidi Hakgem

17:26:34 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Cobra:

Talk about being overdramatic... who are you anyway? Your name doesn't even seem remotely familiar.

17:37:46 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Abydonian Napbreaking Scum:

At least he's clean.

17:39:47 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Twamao:

lol PKS. The forever *beep*boys of Fantasia. Carnage's pet.

17:47:33 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Dnega Toenut:

Lord Marche

2/23/2008 2:58:02 PMThunder made a Ceasefire that lasted until talks between both Kingdoms were done. Talks are now over, resulting in no relations, so his Ceasefire ended and he can attack whatever he wants.

No, Lord M, he offered a personal cf beyond that. In his own words, these current attacks are because...

Mr. Thunder [Havoc] (2/23/2008 12:20:17 PM)
You guys are over run, Why give them to the enemy and not friends. This way your cities still help to fight Abydos.

he then has the cheek to say....,

I was actually going to suggest that you guys join Carnage. many here really Like you and Lady G. This way you can keep your cities, and of course anything I take from you, you could have back. It may seem like I am hitting you, but I am actually trying to save your cities, the more I take the more you can have back if you join...If PK or Legacy takes them, they are simply lost...

Well, regardless of the fact that it's not his place to offer positions in carnage, would we really want to play in a Kingdom wiuth this dishonourable, opportunistic backstabber? i really think not.

17:48:31 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

Nope. Its pretty much the other way around. We even do tricks when Grim asks it.

17:51:37 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

Eternity rock!
Abydos double rock!
Carnage.... just suck!

17:51:42 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

@Dnega: I see no proof of anything that would confirm the cf was extended beyond that. Its your word against Thunder's and, sadly for you, I take Thunder's word above yours.

As for how he plays: Stormcrow already explained that very well.

17:56:00 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Dakarius:

It makes perfect sense that we would let someone who had no cf with us roam around our cities doesn't it? On behalf of Thunder, good tactics atacking when we were all asleep, normally I'd applaud such foresight, but for you I frown upon such foul play using a cf to get into atack position.

17:57:38 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Twamao:

dakarius sucks!

17:57:52 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Dnega Toenut:

Sadly, Lord M, there is proof. The following message was also copied by me to Stormcrow when I received them so they're also on record elsewhere. I'm not going to copy the messages I received from members of Carnage warning me that they thought he'd do this because I don't wish to involve the players concerned unless they choose to step forward.

But clearly you don't see anything wrong with what he's done so no point arguing it.

Mr. Thunder [Havoc] (2/18/2008 7:28:33 PM)
I sent this to your leader (Selkirka), look it over, point out any mistakes and let me know. If it looks good, just confirm it with your boss... In my eyes CF is effective immediately... ____________________________________________________________________ I cannot speak for Carnage, but only for myself. I just discovered that Toenut & I were former allies... Using that past relationship We have established a CF between myself and Eternity, and yes that would include Lonely... This way You and Stormie can figure things out without my stepping on any toes and making conditions worse. We have agreed that I will keep the Cities of Dead & Little Owl and Lady G can take back Arheim (but tell her to wait a click and she will get some extra farms that come in next click) :)

17:58:33 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

For as far as I've figured things, Eternity misinterpreted Thunder's words. You can't blame Thunder for that.

18:06:56 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Dnega Toenut:

Lord M, that is bs and you know it. By trying to defend him you simply show that you're no better. He offered a cf then decided that he was going to, in his words, "grab a few cities" when he decided that we had no chance. Obviously we have no chance with wnackers like that playing.

If that's the standard of "honourable play" on Fantasia nowadays then it's not too surprising that peopple are leaving to play on other worlds, or leaving the game completely.

18:14:44 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

No. I ain't. Again, there is clear misunderstanding here. I don't have all messages, so I can't really tell where that misunderstanding now lies.

Thunder's own words:

I told them I personally would CF until Stormie figures what is what, but that does not mean I cannot heavily prepare for when we get the official green light. :)

And please stop the insulting. If you need insults to work this out, then clearly your twisting something. Lets stop that, shall we?

18:19:42 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Dnega Toenut:

"Misunderstanding"? This seems pretty clear to me. If you wish to continue defending someone with no honour, who cancelled a cf with no warning simply because he considered we were over-run and would grab some easy towns then go right ahead.

You (2/20/2008 3:03:19 PM)
Mr T, Please don't break our cf Thanks, D
Mr. Thunder [Havoc] (2/20/2008 3:07:06 PM)
Wizardus asked me to take that 1 city...I don't plan on breaking it

You (2/20/2008 3:11:05 PM) Okays. It'd be nice if he'd told us first ffs - does he think we're bloody mind readers?????

Soz about the fire and slow - standard action to a prep round here. Hope you can forgive the troops in return for Ftw Land :(

D

Mr. Thunder [Havoc] (2/20/2008 3:13:34 PM)
I'll overlook it, but you should know me by now...If I were to break it, it would not be a shock... We would talk first... In my case at least...ALWAYS give me the benefit of the doubt first...my intention is NEVER a bad one when I have made pacts...

18:26:16 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Ftw:

lmao.

How u gonna defend him now?

18:27:01 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

This also seems pretty clear to me. Thunder tells you he would inform you when he intends to cancel it and would never do something against a pact. Yet now you claim he broke it. Thats because Thunder thinks the CF has ended due that the talks have ended and Eternity thinking that the CF also lasts till after those talks. There lies the misunderstanding and its either because Thunder didn't make things clear enough or you misinterpreting his words. I'm already working on this.

18:34:23 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Soccerrogue:

I am another carnage member that has a personal CF with Eternity. Thunder, i am very dissapointed in your actions. i am also sad we can't talk this out personally, as u won't return my PMs.

This is a terrible thing indeed, and i hope that it is corrected. there is nothing like fighting on your knees, only to have someone break an agreement, and continue to break ur legs and leave u lying in the dust.

18:44:58 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

Soccerrogue has spoken!!!!!!

18:52:22 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Ftw:

This also seems pretty clear to me.

This shud be good

Thunder tells you he would inform you when he intends to cancel it and would never do something against a pact.

Which he didnt cancel...so therein lies problem #1

Yet now you claim he broke it.

Break/cancel whats the difference?

Thats because Thunder thinks the CF has ended due that the talks have ended

He doesnt communicate with any carnage or E people to confirm this?

and Eternity thinking that the CF also lasts till after those talks.

Yes, because they have been told he will inform them

There lies the misunderstanding and its either because Thunder didn't make things clear enough or you misinterpreting his words. I'm already working on this.

No its because Thunder deliberately led E along untill he cud get set up to hit them.

He saw an opportunity to further himself over PKS. *PKS shud so be pissed off here*

18:52:41 Feb 23rd 08 - Prince Mielo:

18:58:07 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

Which he didnt cancel...so therein lies problem #1

According to Thunder the CF ended.

He doesn't communicate with any carnage or E people to confirm this?

It has been confirmed the talks have ended.

Yes, because they have been told he will inform them

You miss the point. If he was planning on cancelling it, he would tell them. However nothing has been canceled. The CF ended per agreement (According to Thunder)

19:03:27 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Cobra:

Marche you're just looking more and more pathetic, really.

19:07:39 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Ftw:

Well then the mistake is on Thunder.

It was a personal agreement, so he should have communicated that he saw the CF as *ended*.

Where in the message have they set aside:

The CF will end once talks break down

????

He just said this:

This way You and Stormie can figure things out without my stepping on any toes and making conditions worse.

That there is the miscommunication. That to me doesnt say....once you and stormie stop talking im going to consider the CF ended.

19:08:48 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

Okay. With DB and Cobra joining in just to make things worse, I'm not going to continue this on the Forums.

Eternity, you can contact me through PM's and we will solve this. If Thunder indeed misinformed you (But not on purpose) there will be compensation.

19:11:16 Feb 23rd 08 - Lord Marche:

@Ftw: Okay: Final reaction: Yes. I assume thats where the miscommunication lies. Doesn't mean he did this on purpose and is wanking *beep*head without honour.

19:26:58 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Ftw:

i didnt call him one...but u cannot rule out he may have done it on purpose. Afterall, u posted his exact words that he planned to build up in their core to hit them

Thunder's own words:

I told them I personally would CF until Stormie figures what is what, but that does not mean I cannot heavily prepare for when we get the official green light. :)

To me that sounds like he knows already that Storm is not going to give the NAP to E. But as im not in carnage i cannot be sure that is what happened

19:59:15 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Soccerrogue:

ali, back off. it's now an internal problem, and will be solved that way. plus, shouldn't u be preparing troops for us to desecrate? ;)

20:22:49 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Thunder:

Wow, this got a lot of attention...And a lot of out of context quotes... As best I can post, here is what occurred...

1. We were discussing warring E

2. One guy "Mr. Lonely" & I got into a conflict and attacked one another.

3. Lonely joined E for protection

4. Some shots were fired back and forth.

5. Toenut & I worked out a temporary CF until we got the official word whether Carnage was free to hit E or not. It was clearly temporary and Toe nut acknowledges it here...

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You (2/18/2008 1:54:23 PM)
Still you must know me as Hercules or Yellow Jacket... Big PK ally....

Because of our past relationship is why I am offering the cf until we get further orders, I just need to know if this is worth pursuing, I would not offer that to anyone else...

Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/18/2008 2:01:47 PM) GOOD BAD
Hercules? Damn, how long since I saw THAT name on here?? :)

Certainly, I'd prefer to be concentrating on DB - especially now Ftw has given up and Fordius has taken over. Possible problems are that Lady G really needs Arheim - she's not bothered about Dead, so you're welcome to that. Also, Dak is annoyed about a scout that died, but I think I can talk him round.

So, if you're ok with Lady G reclaiming Arheim while I try to get sense through Dak's skull then a temp CF is good for me and I'll post it. Obviously, any other Carnage that attack us will be defended against but we won't go on the offensive.

D
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7. I gave up Arheim to keep the Peace until Stormie issued attack orders.

8. Toenut felt I was canceling the CF as HE KNEW it was temp, and started freezing my armies and casting RoF on them. Because he knew we had no relations and again the cf was temp until we established there were no relations which we did. In reality One of theirs, Wizardus, asked me to burn a city...
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Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/20/2008 10:03:19 AM)
Mr T, Please don't break our cf Thanks, D
You (2/20/2008 10:07:06 AM)
Wizardus asked me to take that 1 city...I don't plan on breaking it
You (2/20/2008 10:08:12 AM)
Message From Mr. Wizardus Hiemdal � Back to message list Mr. Wizardus [E] (2/20/2008 9:39:25 AM) GOOD BAD Could you burn down Abc? You (2/20/2008 9:42:49 AM) Sure, Actually I will just take it then, so I can build in it...
You (2/20/2008 10:11:29 AM)
Although someone jumped the gun and froze my army and RoF on it...not happy about that... You guys have to communicate, 1 guy cannot ask for help and 2 others jump on me for doing so... That is just wrong...
Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/20/2008 10:11:05 AM)
Okays. It'd be nice if he'd told us first ffs - does he think we're bloody mind readers????? Soz about the fire and slow - standard action to a prep round here. Hope you can forgive the troops in return for Ftw Land :( D
Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/20/2008 10:13:44 AM)
See my last - just got online to see a couple of our towns gone to some of yours, you prepping and your 1X headed this way. Damn right Wiz should have posted & he'll get an on-forum bollocking for it. D
You (2/20/2008 10:13:34 AM)
I'll overlook it, but you should know me by now...If I were to break it, it would not be a shock... We would talk first... In my case at least...ALWAYS give me the benefit of the doubt first...my intention is NEVER a bad one when I have made pacts...
Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/20/2008 10:19:12 AM)
Aye, fair enough. Like I said, was a little twitchy seeing towns falling plus Grim from PKS trying to get round the top where we're less defended. There's about 4 or 5 trouble spots for us overnight & just went through and acted on all of them before starting to message and wait for replies. D ____________________________________________________________

9. This is when i told him he would be notified if the CF were over in advance so that he "did not get itchy" again...

10. Here I asked in advance when they are overrun, if he minded I take some cities, not only did he okay it, but he said he would point me in the right direction...
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You (2/21/2008 7:12:41 PM)
Well if you think you are going to lose something is there a good money maker or tree city I can have?
Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/21/2008 7:14:58 PM)
Bugger all for tree, and need the money for now to try and fight them off. If we do collapse I'll point you in the right direction ;) D
You (2/21/2008 7:15:56 PM)
That is what I meant...when push comes to shove, not this second...

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11. As promised, I give him the heads up I will be attacking in this exchange...
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You (2/22/2008 9:08:26 AM)
I am going to move into these cities, because Legacy is just going to take them.
Sir Dnega Toenut [E] (2/22/2008 9:09:48 AM)
I need both of thos. D
You (2/22/2008 9:10:54 AM)
Ya i know but you are going to lose them to legacy...You are paying attention up there? ___________________________________________________________ 12. The next morning I began hitting and here we are...

21:06:30 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Ftw:

ali, back off. it's now an internal problem, and will be solved that way. plus, shouldn't u be preparing troops for us to desecrate? ;)

Always the comedian =D

What other jokes you got? Carnage going to win the era? You crack me up haha

21:10:12 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Dnega Toenut:

No, thunder, that last message was about two specific cities to stop Cobra from Legacy gedeliberately tting them.

I accept that you didn't offer the cf in order to do this. What I see instead is that you clearly saw a chance to "justify" stealing off someone you had previously called a friend, and you took it. Do you do that in RL too? Taking something without asking because you decide the owner won't need it any more is stealing btw

In my book, stealing off people you call friends just because you see a chance to is worse than planning this in the first place - because it means that no-one should trust you, not even your "friends".

21:28:41 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Kensai:

Dang you guys curse alot.

Eternity, stop being sore losers, your downfall was sealed once you attacked Carnage and PKS.

And this CF crap is peanuts compared to last era when Holy Cows member Cato June deserted and Joined PKS DURING heavy combat with PKS then proceeded to take Naarkeena's towns (because Naark broke the conditions cato set up for a 36 tick CF between himself only and Holy Cows) and Then Holy Cows was wiped out. Sure Holy cows would have lost it anyways, but they didnt need cato to leave. Cato is extremely honorable tho because he gave conditions and did not break them himself. But he was a top player in HC so kinda sucked, but HC was doomed anyways because of lack of good veteran players etc etc.

What Im trying to say is dont blame your defeat one 1 person, Stop using thunder as a scape goat, sure he might have done some un-ethical things, but the misunderstandings Eternity has made is clear.

So Eternity didnt face a deserter while undersiege so SUCK IT UP HOES!
If you didnt have the defense to stop 1 guy what makes you think you could stop Carnage? Cut the excuses and live up to what your kingdom page says. Keep Talking the talk, so you betta walk the walk. Talk is cheap!

</no whining zone>

21:39:46 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Cobra:

I don't normally get into a he says she says argument but Thunder is full of *beep* here. He didn't take cities to keep them away from me, he actually sent me messages about some cities he wanted to take and some which I can take.

Mr. Thunder [Havoc] (2/22/2008 11:02:01 PM)
Please leave the 2 down here for me

That's about Farmer Heaven and Lumber town.

Mr. Thunder [Havoc] (2/22/2008 11:15:03 PM)
Seriously...you cannot got take Zeonic temple and Isengaad? I asked as a favor to leave these 2 for me...I am a friend of Sun's that helped out as I could last era...

There are the ones he told me I can take.

22:07:24 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

kill this thread!!!!!!!!!!!

22:11:44 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Kensai:

Yea please do.

22:23:20 Feb 23rd 08 - Sir Soccerrogue:

Mr. Ftw

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2/23/2008 1:06:30 PM

ali, back off. it's now an internal problem, and will be solved that way. plus, shouldn't u be preparing troops for us to desecrate? ;)

Always the comedian =D

What other jokes you got? Carnage going to win the era? You crack me up haha

hey, i'm a Jester! u want more ali? um, here's one..................I will single-handedly destroy all of abydos, db, and bow! :p

22:25:00 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Durza The Multihaxor:

Ye gl with that mate. I think you slightly to ambitious. Maby just settle at Abydos, leave BoW and Db alone lol.

23:19:31 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Ftw:

Haha now all can see why you lead Jesters.

Let me try it...Dark Blood are going to anniahlate Carnage....oh, thats not a joke? Damn i suck at this.

Ill leave the jokes to you Soc

<3 Soc

^^ *so u dont think i hate u this time lol*

23:24:55 Feb 23rd 08 - Lady Selkirka:

I understand that Eternity must seem like a bunch of fools for accepting such risky treaty and misinterpreting it, since that is what it seems. Also, Thunder, if you had just told my vices and me when you were going to strike, even if it was 1 minute before you were going to send your armies, then you would not have had such mud thrown at you. I know that this my sound like I am lecturing, but observing etiquette makes people so much happier.

Sadly, this set back has made the fight between Eternity and Peacekeepers so much lamer. Sorry PKS for that let down.

23:50:35 Feb 23rd 08 - Mr. Diomedes:

Come on guys lets all get a long but please stay away from Dak and Soc as I hear they have crabs :-)

00:21:50 Feb 24th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

So Carnage fear us so much they need to Form a mega alliance AND nap break. im honoured really i am :)

00:48:57 Feb 24th 08 - Mr. Slightlyhornieroldbastard:

Osiris i'm pretty confident they did all this in fear of being overwhelmed by DB actually. Analdos isn't really much of an obstacle on the map :->

01:01:42 Feb 24th 08 - Mr. Thunder:

Np..Selkirka... what I thought was understood needed to be clearer...

However it is noteworthy that to allow you to fight PK fairly, and after seeing this thread I decided it was not worth the headache so I offered you an age long cf that could not be broken even if Carnage and E went to war...I would personally not become involved...

Not only did you decline, but the entire time we were exchanging messages you guys were attacking me throughout the process. Despite messaging me back that you were interested...apparently to keep me talking...

E is not so innocent here, and apparently wants the engagement to continue...

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You (2/23/2008 6:40:33 PM)
Let me know if you decide to accept or not. Until I hear otherwise I must assume that you have no interest...
Lady Selkirka [E] (2/23/2008 6:45:26 PM)
I do have an interest. I am just waiting for Dnega to send me his reply before I make a final comment. I do not wish to confuse you with differing opinions. Sincerely, Selkirka

01:10:26 Feb 24th 08 - Lady Selkirka:

I do not think that my opinion matters if my kingdom is against your cf, wouldn't you agree. If you wish to call my comments as keeping you talking, then so be it. I apologize for confusing you.

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