new players have always been killed by Fant players who decide to nub bash.
Don't try blaming the connecting worlds.
Umm, yes, it is the connected worlds fault. Last era Heaven was the only kingdom that started on Valhalla(died on Fant, went to Valhalla) that survived the era. Legacy, PKS, Dark, and Prosapia owned the rest of the world. If you are stupid enough to say that that isn't because of connected worlds then you really should consider not posting in here anymore, kthxbai.
Well legacy had been killed off of Fant. PKS i have no idea if they even started on fant. Dark got killed on fant also and ended up on starta if im correct. No idea about prosapia. Ruby you dont know much about the history or politics that your trying to deal with. Stop just spitting things out to try and help your side especially when they are incorrect. Most of the kingdoms that "invaded" had previously died on fant. And it's not like Fant doesnt have to deal with their own invasions. Last era kingdoms flooded into Fant. We have to deal with our own fights on Fant and with invasions too but we dont complain. The simple fact is there will always be people that are going to bash *beep*s whether the worlds are seperate or not.
Dark and PKS were on Starta, both very much alive. Prosapia was on Fant I believe and was also very much alive. Dark quit from Fant as soon as possible and lost only a few days worth of building time. They were settled on Starta before Valhalla opened. We(Heaven) were still alive and fighting on Fant a few days after Dark had moved to Starta. Legacy didn't do a lot and I can understand their situation, they weren't intentionally *beep* bashing.
thanks for proving my point those kingdoms didnt come from Fant Legacy died just as heaven did and your complaining about them starting on a new world? Dark never wanted to be on Fant and PKS was on Starta and invaded from there so why are you complaining the only fant kingdom that maybe "invaded" from Fant was Pro and you've gotta figure they had more pressing matters. I'll say it again complaining will get you absolutely nowhere it just shows your willing to give up as soon as things get tough. Grow some and do a little bit of fighting like this game was intended.
Are you kidding me!! We did fight. And where in *any* of my posts did I say specifically Fant players were doing it. Mantrax, Starta, and Zeta players all can start at the same time. Valhalla and all the other lower worlds start later and generally consist of newer players. Anyone from the above four worlds that invades the lower worlds can be considered a newb basher. Fant isn't the problem, they have Starta, Zeta, and Mant to worry about and don't have time to newb bash.
Read through carefully and figure out what's going on before opening your mouth.
I fail to see how Heaven last era has anything to do with it. They got killed and restarted, thus they are Fant level players on a lesser world nub bashing. This would of happened connecting worlds, or not.
Heaven restarted because we got killed. Nuf said, no issue there, don't even try to call us *beep* bashers. Thats just plain stupidity. And its got nothing to do with the topic. Legacy headed there to escape from whatever issues they had on Fant. I can understand that, Nuf said, end of story. PKS, Dark, and Prosapia are all guilty of newb bashing, although Dark and Prosapia didn't do a lot of of it. PKS is a Fant class kd forced to start on Starta and then attacked with big armies(Nazzies, the whole works) to take as much of Valhalla as they could. Heaven was the only kingdom strong enough to be able to put up a fight against them but the era ended with PKS at our blockers before anything serious happened. They *beep* bashed, thats the porblem, anyone wants to argue that go right ahead. Thats your problem.
Mr. G@y Boner, I'm going to just start ignoring your stupid comments, they are a waste of space and if I keep arguing with you I'm going to say something that will get me in trouble. Arguing with stupidity is pointless.
Where to start? Okay, Heaven may have restarted there, but once they had a base theres always the option of moving to better worlds, unlike what would of happened if you couldn't move across to other worlds. Legacy died on Fant, they retreated onto zeta and got killed there too. If they were on Valhalla, they had more reason than Heaven to be there. Once again, Prosapia did not bring large forces, or even medium sized forces onto Valhalla. PKS a Fant class KD? Lol.
Ruby Knight, I have no idea who you are, nor do I care. But please, stop trying to be the forum hardman and go do something in VU so people would actually care who you are.
Also, I still fail to see how Heaven last era, has anything to do with this topic at all. Your just trying to make the thread about you aren't you? Okay then, wow everyone look at RVL! Look how many awesome players we have! Yeah, see I can be off-topic too.
"Also, I still fail to see how Heaven last era, has anything to do with this topic at all."
It doesn't and it never has. I never used Heaven in anything but minor comments and examples.
If we had decided to try moving to a higher world we would have been slaughtered that long after Oop. That wasn't an option.
PKS has started on Fant to many eras to count. I remember fighting them on Fant back in Era 37 when I was in Music(I think it was era 37, may be off by a few eras). So I consider them a Fant Class kd.
Prosapia sent armies deep into the center of Valhalla. Small armies, not many armies, but still armies. PKS was the main culprit but I'm not playing the blame game. Ppl did newb bash and its because of the connected worlds. Thats all I care about in this topic.
"Ruby Knight, I have no idea who you are, nor do I care. But please, stop trying to be the forum hardman and go do something in VU so people would actually care who you are."
Quit giving me an easy target. You want to make fun of my skills come find me ingame before you ever say anything about them. I'm not the greatest and I never will be, but if you want to prove your superiority, come get me.
Now, explain why you don't like my idea or keep your mouth shut. Back on topic. Your making me flame you over and over and I honestly don't want to continue.
however Ford, Ruby is a very capable player and if i had to bet on who would win in a 1v1 fight you vs him i would bet all my money on Ruby. no reservations
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but moving onto other worlds is a two way thing, not just one way. Also, correct me if I'm wrong again, alot of KDs move up worlds every era. So I assume Heaven was just scared of the bigger boys. Not that I have anything against Heaven, I love Argyle and I also enjoy watching them getting killed every era, but coming right back again the era after.
In my opinion, PKS isn't a fant class KD. Its never been successful on Fant, only managing to survive through NAPs and CFs.
Like I said, Prosapia didn't bring large or medium sized forces onto valhalla. We had our majority on Mant + Fant.
An easy target? Hmm, okay if you think that. Unfortunately, I'm fighting someone who can actually be successful on Fant (RET) and I don't have time for nobodys.
I also checked out your history, you've played on lesser worlds for the majority of your eras and you've never had a good finish. Well done.
It was aimed at everyone in general and no one in particular. If you don't think you fit the criteria, than you probably do. If you think you're just going tit-for-tat with the other guy, it was meant for you.
just chipping in that this era we couldn't choose world like we use to, we were forced to start on starta and thats a pity for all small kds that also starts there, it's not our fault.
Will it be a future tactic to deliberatly get low score one era, to start safe and grow, to win with superpowers the next era?
some responses on here are quite horrible. this man has a point. i didnt play this era but i will say that even though PKS came in a top position last era and i was in there, it didnt feel right being able to go into another world and kill *beep*s (not like i could because of the damn 50% rule). if you feel good because you knocked out a zet/arma/starta/val/ex team and you are on a higher world you SHOULD feel ashamed. good for you, you killed somebody (not always but mosttimes) that just started the game on a low level thinking they could possibly start a new game. that is just wrong. this = big kingdom domination (clause: a few good players are also needed). Also naps/maps/allies are even more cheap with the map how its set up. PLUS my last statment, you should be able to see into another world BUT only the normal amount you could if it was on the map. any futher scroll would be canceled and it could say "you can not look any further" so it would be normal distance you can see.
btw, it should be fant vs. mantrax, starta vs zeta this way "stronger" kingdoms only have two maps they can go to and not all 9. or just make it just one hu-mon-go map instead of the tranfers. the transfer just takes an exta half day to cross. that would also make anyone able to see everything and they wouldnt be flanked if they have a "premium" corner spot. OR scale the size p of everymap so fant isnt packed or just fant and make it one world no "hopping". that would be fine too. and when it comes down to 2 kds they must attack eachother or both kingdoms "blow up by zeta" and the news say "you have been killed by zeta... along with your kingdom and the other you were naped with"
however
Ford, Ruby is a very capable player and if i had to bet on who would
win in a 1v1 fight you vs him i would bet all my money on Ruby. no
reservations
although heaven have some good members they as a whole are not this great KD you claim them to be.
N.o4
you keep saying he should come to your world and prove his strength but then wouldnt he be doing what your complaning bout? crossing into smaller worlds?
are you kidding me? PKS is very well capable of being a FANT team if not everyone left every era. the same thing happens to all kingdoms but just less often. this is usally because they think a better kingdom will accept them or they can just start their own kingdom.
@ Caradoc, yes PKS are good but they never have a strong core of players from what I have seen.
@ Hirgon, I personally don't think it should be aimed at me, I'm just fighting back here.
@ Lew + Sep, thanks I think this guy is getting to big for his boots now that hes finally come to Fant :)
Finally, @Ruby. Unfortunately boy, as I have said before. I am busy fighting someone successful and much more skilled at VU than you. But your not really reading my posts properly at all are you? I've had to repeat myself several times already.
yeah so because of the reason you stated youve never been in my eyes a fant kd. but the only times i cam across you were on starta and lower worlds so :P they were probz your low points.
@ Hirgon, I personally don't think it should be aimed at me, I'm just fighting back here.
Your not fighting back, your continually trying to bring up new topics and continue it. You think because your a regular on Fant that your better than me? I've been right from the very beginning but because I've been on Fant less than you, you think your superior than me. Get back on the dam topic and give the reasons for my idea being bad, and give the reason why there isn't newb bashing going on. Quit changing the topic!!!
Heaven restarting on Valhalla has nothing to do with it, Legacy running to Valhalla has nothing to do with it, you being "better" than me has nothing to do with it so quit bringing them up!
Anybody else who said he can beat me, oh well. Your entitled to your opinions but there's only one way to find out and saying he's better than me isn't it.
People like this one are the ones that make good kingdoms invade new player worlds.
Mr. Nidhoeggr [GOTF] (2/21/2009 9:35:17 PM) do you want to nap the guild? You (2/21/2009 9:37:58 PM) heh, I'd need some info first :) Mr. Nidhoeggr [GOTF] (2/21/2009 10:20:14 PM) the info is if you dont give a yes or no answer within 12ticks it is war you shall get.
HOH nirvana. I dont know all th epeople from the list but i cant
tell you the strongest city and army owner are from other worlds.+ they
are orcs.. for alll we know Wlaock has a *beep*load of Nazzy's 10x stronger then HOH. shame(/flame) on you Rev. Not fantasia not Mantrax not Zetamenia Not Starta BUT Nirvana ffs how low can u go???
Warlock is on there to defend our market cities and GOTF and that Rom.. something imp..something KD started attacking us. Its not exactly a *beep* load of naz, a few times stronger than the rest of the HoH but what do you expect? Hes the only one defending our market cities.
Ruby, I brought up new topics?. What new topics did I bring up? You brought up Heaven, your the one whos looking for a fight, you brought up Prosapia + PKS, you brought up Legacy. So this: Heaven restarting on Valhalla has nothing to do with it, Legacy running to Valhalla has nothing to do with it, = FAIL! Your damn right I'm superior to you, even lew + sep said that less than 24 hours ago and me and lew are sworn enemies.
lol this reminds me of RL politics. markets/capitalism might be a good excuse for war where u come from but here it is not.also your market actions are preventing our growth. How can us third world countries develop while your actions wont allow us to grow.. thank god u cant sell us weapons. :P
[17:03] <Deallus> "Maybe if you played as much as you whined you would be the best playing in VU. I cannot be bothered to waste my time actually posting to tell you to shut up for the love of all that is good."
You still managed to avoid my question.-.- You would make a great lawyer if you weren't so stupid.
As long as you "l33t" players all look down on me here, my thoughts will be ignored. I guess I'll have to express my thoughts ingame where you can't ignore it or change the subject =)
I haven't changed subject in this thread, you brought up Heaven, your the one whos looking for a fight, you brought up Prosapia + PKS, you brought up Legacy bla bla bla.
I'm in a battle already with a superior force, it wouldn't be a fair fight now would it? Or is that your style, run in for spoils and claim the victory over an opponent?
Maybe I'll take the lawyer thing as a compliment, but then again...
1. I said Heaven was the only kingdom left that could have put up any kind of fight against PKS. Thats it.... You turned it into something about Heaven newb bashing and that Heaven should have tried moving up worlds. I brought up PKS, Dark, Prosapia, and Legacy(which I was wrong about) as examples of newb bashing as an arguement against connected worlds. Nothing less, nothing more than examples.
2. I'm just a lower world newb, what do you have to be scared of right? My coment didn't mean I'm coming for you, because you'll be dead long before I reach you. It was a warning to watch out for me because the first chance I get I'm going to destroy you and anybody who tries to stand in my way, whether its this era or 5 eras from now doesn't matter to me.
You still refuse to explain my idea. If it isn't in your next post, I'm done explaining anything to you.
Rusty Blade, why can't markets be good reasons for war in this game?
The connected worlds kind of changed the way markets can be played.... A kingdom can have vested interests in markets in multiple worlds, so why not go to war with kingdoms that threaten those interests?
Ruby, no one looks down on you 'cause you're not leet. They look down on you because of the way you present your ideas, and the way you respond to other people's thoughts. They look down on you because keep suggesting that Wilber & Co. are disagreeing with you merely because they're more experience players than you, and the way that suggestion has become the premise of the majority of your posts since the first page.
I'm not suggesting anything but Wilber, with no Co. I have no problem with anyone else. I didn't even have to much of a problem until he said something about me just trying to be the forum hardcase or something like that and started making comments about my lack of experience and ignoring the original question I asked.
He is looking down on me and completely ignoring everything I say and is instead expecting me to answer every little whim he gets. I can understand people flaming me for it if I was the one bringing up new topics and stuff, but the fact that he refuses to explain why my idea was a bad one while putting me down and acting superior pisses me off.
Sorry if I'm offending other people but I have a habit of going to the extreme when people unfairly flame me or look down on me(I've done it numerous times before and I usually end up wishing I hadn't but I'm usually right as well).
As you wish. I disagree that he's looking down on and ignoring you, but admitting that you have a habit of going to the extreme is more than I expected, so my time here is done.
Rusty Blade, hurry up and reply so I can stop reading this thread already!
"Ruby Knight, I have no idea who you are, nor do I care. But please,
stop trying to be the forum hardman and go do something in VU so people
would actually care who you are."
"Your damn right I'm superior to you, even lew + sep said that less than 24 hours ago and me and lew are sworn enemies."
"@Ruby. Unfortunately boy, as I have said before."
"I also checked out your history, you've played on lesser worlds for the
majority of your eras and you've never had a good finish. Well done."
I'm pretty sure that qualifies as looking down on me and acting superior :-/
