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18:57:35 May 22nd 09 scores dont matter anyway guys! its the fun of playing.


Hehe, I 100% agree, that's also why I don't worry about the end of era win and think that should be comletely revised, the numbers down in the middle clearly are random (lol, I noticed you too Bongs...2mil kills and you're below someone that died on Armageddon lol), I wonder how much credence it gives to #1 vs. #2?  Not to say Dvs isn't deserving, and I have no particular love for LPD so let's not get into THAT debate, just saying in general this seems to make it appear end of era scores are about as good as a roll of dice :)

Mr. Famous of The Native People
	Total land: 0			Batles won: 27			Cities captured: 5
	Total killed: 66486			Science lvls: 19			Total troops: 0
	F: 0%	M: 0%	Z: 0%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 0%	A: 1%	T: 0%	M: 0%

Orc144.Mr. Overcome of Rebirth
	Total land: 599001			Batles won: 60			Cities captured: 26
	Total killed: 1.7 Million			Science lvls: 30			Total troops: 710736
	F: 1%	M: 40%	Z: 23%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 0%	A: 31%	T: 0%	M: 0%
Orc145.Mr. Middle Earth of Rebirth
	Total land: 594179			Batles won: 57			Cities captured: 28
	Total killed: 460546			Science lvls: 34			Total troops: 189322
	F: 1%	M: 57%	Z: 32%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 0%	A: 0%	T: 0%	M: 0%
Troll146.Mr. Gahikagmama of Revelation
	Total land: 133303			Batles won: 37			Cities captured: 21
	Total killed: 35672			Science lvls: 8			Total troops: 83281
	F: 10%	M: 0%	Z: 0%	S: 50%	N: 32%	V: 0%	A: 0%	T: 0%	M: 0%
Elf147.Mr. Bongs of Rebirth
	Total land: 630164			Batles won: 52			Cities captured: 31
	Total killed: 2 Million			Science lvls: 27			Total troops: 393653
	F: 0%	M: 23%	Z: 38%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 0%	A: 34%	T: 0%	M: 0%

It has nothing to do with number of troops killed, just attacking wins and the normal things points are based on,  troops/land/science/gold on hand  ect.

i dont gett this one santaclausas should be 1 above me :P

about me I had a bit more troops and buildings when I had that score, but I lost about 420k ams and 60k land just before era end.
P.S. it might count also what you lost or I can't explain why I was so high on hoh

This might help

Well Penguin, Skyer whooped both our butts...

Troll24.Mr. Skyer of Dorian Empire
	Total land: 54073			Batles won: 94			Cities captured: 34
	Total killed: 191876			Science lvls: 21			Total troops: 11717
	F: 0%	M: 0%	Z: 0%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 36%	A: 58%	T: 0%	M: 0%

Troll27.Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber of Fruits and Vegetables
	Total land: 974742			Batles won: 103			Cities captured: 59
	Total killed: 1.5 Million			Science lvls: 29			Total troops: 918451
	F: 62%	M: 8%	Z: 1%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 0%	A: 17%	T: 0%	M: 0%

Elf37.Lady Quiet Tone of JUICY
	Total land: 808857			Batles won: 99			Cities captured: 46
	Total killed: 1.5 Million			Science lvls: 35			Total troops: 1.2 Million
	F: 32%	M: 27%	Z: 21%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 13%	A: 0%	T: 0%	M: 0%

I had only a scout in fantasia but i had cities that were taken away

Agrreed, make it official

i recon he should win because he has 3 mil building
and turnip does have 6.6mil troops (but most are hobgoblins atleast the once i so)

he had almost 900k zerks. with last eras rankings he might have won, but rules are different now. true the scoring needs to be patched but we all have to accept zeta doesnt correct things retroactivly. either way GG Scotty, maybe you will win era of Dvsmasta, who knows? you sure are deserving of an era win and I'm sure you will get one sooner or later.

with regard to land, something happened just before era end (which i am not going to explain here but involved breaking a particular nap) which resulted in me losing a certain amount of land. combined with the what 6 million ish buildings i lot the other day means i should have been top of land too.

my income before deductions was 21 million so yeah...

Troll1.Overlord Dvsmasta of JUICY
	Total land: 1.5 Million			Batles won: 537			Cities captured: 379
	Total killed: 4 Million			Science lvls: 30			Total troops: 1.5 Million
	F: 32%	M: 11%	Z: 17%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 16%	A: 14%	T: 7%	M: 0%

Troll5.Mr. Turnip of Fruits and Vegetables
	Total land: 2.9 Million			Batles won: 365			Cities captured: 243
	Total killed: 4.3 Million			Science lvls: 35			Total troops: 6.6 Million
	F: 48%	M: 47%	Z: 1%	S: 0%	N: 0%	V: 1%	A: 0%	T: 0%	M: 0%

He made attacking powerful, evidently DVS had more armies/cities kills with over 5000 DP to get exp. Lets say 450 of his attacks were like that whereas yours were more like 300.

His 450 are worth 91mil+ points, thereby drowing the points you made fromhaving land and more troops than him and your 27mil from exp.

@ Ali - this may be a technical explanation - but in practical terms the winner is the one who has 2x land and 4x army power.

I could  capture 1,000 towns in an era without cheating. Tell you how - I only need 4-5 towns with morale below 10% and take them, leave them, recapture them every 2-3 ticks - would it be enough for me to be the winner?

Land, Army Power & Units Killed should be the main contributors to the formula. And I'd say Land plus Army Power should make at least 50% of the total.

Any race can win by scoring non-important victories. However it would be very hard for a weak race, as Dwarf & Halfer is now, to keep and hold that much land (3mil).
If you thinking about farming, no chance to get even closer - farming is very hard even for a Dwarf once you go over 300k buildings. A Dwarf, at about 250k buildings with full cavers - and using almost all income can only build about 30-40k per day (without training). But then, who's protecting the cities? The cavers?

@Primate Death - I was just answering to Ali - didn't mean you were farming - how could you farm for so much land?

Probably comming to the basics is the solution. There is another basic, too - total army, as you cant compare 6mil troll troops with 1.5mil troll troops (immagine the fight each other - who is the winner)

The same subjectivity which exists with regards to the number of units killed (strong or weak) is applicable to the number of units owned.

I wonder why VU admin cannot base both units killed and total army held on real OP/DP. This would solve the problem and no-one will say ever a Dwarf won without deserving it.

By adding troops numbers, it becomes distorted again. If you can kill a 500k army, does it matter what troops you had, what its OP/DP was or what race it was.
And if you try manipulate it by using lvl 1's, you will never capture any cities.
Base 50% of the scores total on total land, and 50% on kills, so that you need both to factor into the equation.

Glad read this

i also agree that with cross worlds fant shouldnt be the be all the end all.

from looking at the hoh etc i believed that wasnt the case and stupidly left well over half of my total zerks on mant which i could have easily have brought back to fant for the era win possibly

its also nice to see that the revolt-take-revolt-take scenario has been proven just as i expected and can significantly boost your score and rank

@ Venomz - Knish played a mage only role.
His RoF's alone must have been 300k troops.

Death, if Zeta allows all worlds to count equally, then he should just make one big Fantasia / whatever name map for all kingdoms who want to compete for the crown to start on.

If the old map format is followed, and all worlds were to count equally for scoring, then Fantasia level' kingdoms starting on the lower maps will have a signifcant geographic advantage compared to the kingdoms that start on Fantasia for the following reasons:

i) easier kingdoms to fight against on the lower world. More gains, less losses, more time to get buffed and fat on a lower map, whereas in Fantasia, Fantasian kingdoms face tough fights from other Fantasia kingdoms, and the actual gains are very litte (everyone razes in Fantasia, LOL!);

ii) Fantasia is a wonderful invasion point from 360 degrees. It can be invaded from the north, the south, the east, the west.... where as all other maps can only be invaded from 2 directions (until the newer maps open, but too late then). Fantasia based kingdoms and players are gonna be overstretched, overtaxed and overstressed having to defend all four corners 24 hours a day, LOL! (and thus, it encourages mass NAPs ^_^).

My proposal has always been to bring back the old big Fantasia map. Every kingdom that intends to compete for the era winner starts on equal playing ground. If there is a worry of the lack of players, then either:

a) combine Fantasia, Mantrax and Zetamania into one map and put all kingdoms on those maps into the same map, or

b) link together only Fantasia, Mantrax and Zetamania, but spread out all kingdoms strong and weak equally between the 3 and count scores from all maps there.

Dead kingdoms should restart 2 - 3 weeks later in Starta or Nirvana, etc.

At least conditions would then be fairer for everyone, and there is less avenue for complaints ^_^

To base score on "Land Owned and Victories in battle" and  "easier kingdoms to fight against on the lower world" makes it necessary to evenly distribute the kd's at game start.  Wouldn't this mean the 'Fant' kd's would dominate each map (50% rule would play a significant role) thus making it harder for smaller kd's to survive?

So look at this. Lets say for arguments sake, Fate start on Fant and RVL on Starta. Fate get a head start on building on fant, whilest RVL must first spend 2-3 weeks fighting off Starta kd's, then make inroads into fant, before beginning their Fant build strategy.
Both KD's have the potential to win, except Fate gets a head start of 2 weeks. Not very fair is it.

Zeta currently distributes Fant worthy KD's on lower world already. F&V started in Zeta, Juicy in Mantrax, Rebirth on Zeta, RVL on Starta.

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11:15:00 May 24th 09 So look at this. Lets say for arguments sake, Fate start on Fant and RVL on Starta. Fate get a head start on building on fant, whilest RVL must first spend 2-3 weeks fighting off Starta kd's, then make inroads into fant, before beginning their Fant build strategy.
Both KD's have the potential to win, except Fate gets a head start of 2 weeks. Not very fair is it.

Zeta currently distributes Fant worthy KD's on lower world already. F&V started in Zeta, Juicy in Mantrax, Rebirth on Zeta, RVL on Starta.


2 things:
1) Fant is at a disadvantage, all 4 main worlds touch it, whereas the other 4 only have Fant + 1 other
2) I guess it assumes the big KDs on the other 4 actually war each other at the beginning...