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I’m sorry a new joiner dropped in your kingdom this was not an attempt to get vision we already had it | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
He lies I'm a spy birches!! Now you will fall >:D | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Im gunna sword spam the sh1t out of you!! *baby lion cub rawr* | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I thought Albatross didn't Terrain walk lol | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Everyone seems to do it on Valhalla. But weird for a newer player world. Fight fair and square on the "blockers" if you want to make it newbie friendly | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
they probably saw HnS beat them to it :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well I didnt by pass Albatross core, and just cw-ed them, like it is intended. Bit dissapointing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Share the word. Biggest terrain abusers of VU! 1. I Am Psyduck 2. Crazy gem  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well I expected nothing less from Ducks but Alba claimed many times they don't terrain walk. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Huh? Wait I'm trying to figure out if this is a coordinated joke or not. Because... Your kingdom literally did it first? Like, we just followed suit? No silly excuses like "no that's not us that's someone else in our kingdom" because you're generalizing our two kingdoms exactly the same way. You did it first. But you're quiet when you do it and start crying when the same thing gets done back to you? You did it first. (Sorry if it really is a joke it's hard to tell sometimes <3) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
None of the VU players should abuse terrain bugs. Hns, alba, ducks. I don't care. You may spread his name of HnS too. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I agree with Marquees with the terrain walk, but I already knew what to expect with Ducks. Alba on the other hand eras ago claiming not to terrain walk and it was always mutually agreed not to do it to each other if the blocker blocked. I'm not upset about legend or jasper doing it because I knew the expectation. So unusually I'm not upset with jasper this time lol ❤️ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
helps to know what to expect from people, right? :D like when you betrayed and backstabbed alba a few eras ago truly sets the mood :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
NO ONE BACKSTABBED ALBA HAHA NICE TRY | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Whoop would have an argument if he didn't ignore how his own kingdom did it first, and would be possible to talk to, Jarl is just king of untruths at this point lol Remember your first era back on VU, when you were in MAD? First thing you did was accuse me of cheating because you didn't believe I could fairly get my zerkers numbers. Anyone who paid any attention the era before my current kingdom was made knows you betrayed Alba I guess trusting you was their biggest mistake that era :( | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What are the details of the betrayel?? You don't have it. Blind accusations. People in your kd was in Raven that area and there was no betrayal. ASK Moff | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think everyone has become a bit lax on terrain walking and other abuses that seem to occur on Valhalla. I have called in the Discord for a return to them. Unfortunately, it's extremely hard to be competitive when others are doing it. I took the decision to not constantly lambast my kingdom members when they made a decision to do terrain walk (also, some of the terrain is badly mapped, meaning you actually have to do it in order to use a bridge) because all they see is others doing it too throughout the eras. I am hoping to get back to a point of agreement with other KDs for next era, particularly HnS who historically have sided with us when it came to bugs/abuses and trying to fight fair. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Well gem is stalking walking to target Ive wrote a msg to ducks back than about Hangu pass , they after that didnt pass thrue gap of there. Later crazy gem still passed thrue that gap, and later again in hns core. Found it a bit dishonerable. As when I was fighting Alba , I came in walking the fair way, by cw-ing your blockers as it was intended. For me as a new player the way of gap "abuse" wasn't fair and really honerable for a newbie map. And cause a gap was abused you have to shift focus to somewhere else, while your fighting in a different front in a fair battle, just to be fucked by wrong game mechanics in a noob world were you as new player arent even aware of such things. Not very welcoming. Hope you call all armies back albatross that would be the fairest option. Hope ducks do the same with armies that came thrue gap. Only fair army was the elf up north. Let's be honerable about this. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
As mentioned above, I think all kingdoms have become lax in this area because of the issues with the game. I'm happy for another accord to be agreed upon, but I can't keep nagging my kingdom members to not take opportunities they see others using (and sometimes winning with). I agree with you Asrock, which is why no one has seen me do it - and your campaign in our core was honourably fought. I'd like that to always be the case. Nevertheless, my kingdom members will always have my support until it's untenable and for Gem to be singled out by a kingdom/player who's been caught doing much worse terrain walking is not acceptable. I will not be punishing Gem for the move. Should HnS require such actions be taken then I look forward to hearing how their 'bug abusers' will be punished as a model to the rest of us. Enough of this now. Let's move forward and agree an accord to begin next era, if people don't want to have one then the above is merely hot air. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ur problem with HnS isnt my problem really. I'm not HnS and just a single player in a kingdom. I'm now caught up in a fight against you guys in a dishonerable position. I've thought that Crazy Gem was going to prep Hangu Pass and move really. Instead he by passed it, making me have to shift strategy and doing other things. While I'm also fighting on another front. He could have walked past the other way would had taken him 10 more turns maybe but than it was a honerable way. He decides to take short cut, pass the blocker in it's gap. Which nulifies my usage of that blocker. So a newbie need to pay the price of dishoner? The same way as Ashcroft is for example feeding Crazy Gem? I'm not sure how the agreement on feeding is on this world? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I'm not in a position to comment on other issues currently. As for issues regarding blockers, I refer you back to my previous comment. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ain't that easy. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I'm open to agreements, not to people onesidedly telling others what they're not allowed to do, all while doing it themselves first. No spare time to deal with blatant hypocrisy. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Not sure who you aiming the onesidedly telling. So cause if others play dishonerable, people that play the game honerable, should be punished while they have nothing to do with other peoples dishonor. Weird concept. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I was specifically referring to Whoop and Jarl :) The thing you're skipping over is that you're working with your own definition of what is honourable, while other people may have a different definition. Without discussing these differences first, there's a good chance both sides have valid arguments behind why they think the way they do. To then only use your own definition of honourable to put others down, isn't that one-sidedly telling others how to play? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well it seems that blockers don't really block, cause of the map layout. The honerable thing is just to consider them as blockers and prep or cw it and move. Instead of walking over water or mountains. That's the dishonerable concept in general right? That's a pretty general view. Look I don't know if it's accepted in the higher world or not. But this is a newbie world, where new players come and try to learn and gain experience. But if you put dishonerable movements into a newbie world. You take away the fun of the game and discourage them from playing further. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I don't agree with terrain walking either way. All I can do is voice my opinion. I also can't have control over other members. I wouldn't have called out alba if I had seen someone from hns do it previously. I know some are against it and attempt to have a moral agreement but when some do it any way it forces others to have to make the decision to go against their morales in order to counter the terrain walking. Sorry got to sleep sometimes 😴 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I appreciate you saying that Jarl, terrain walking is a bit like a snowball rolling out of control as it continues to happen. Certainly, earlier on in the era seeing someone jump a mountain made me firmly decide not to stop Gem from doing something (IMO: less obvious) around a city on the beach side of a river. Do let us know what you guys decide as a KD, if you're all against it - then perhaps a punishment or tabled discussions for moving forward would be welcomed. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
He moved over the mountain, not sure what beach side you talking about. He passed on the left. Ah well. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lord Caedus: My apologies kind sir 🙏 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
well as a reminder for all of you if you don't like terrain walking take it up with the admin and tell him to plot the fucking map correctly. Until that happens this is a feature of the game regardless of if you like it or not. so deal with it or get enough people to complain so that he will fix it. this shouldn't be an issue all of you know the terrain mapping is trash so figure it out or just stay on the offensive then you wont need to have blockers. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
02:15:38 Nov 4th 22 - Ms. Asrock: I came in walking the fair way, by cw-ing your blockers as it was intended. this is a bug http://visual-utopia.com/forum.asp?f=Bugs+and+Errors&t=Known%20bugs&page=1 5th bullet down so that being said admin plotting the terrain like trash is something yall can figure out how to deal with OR bitch to the admin until he fixes it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jack Daniels The drunk: Lol cause code of honor, is hard to imply. That something doesnt work as it supposed to be means we all should abuse it ? Right. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
so what terrain walking is a bug and so is cwing and pathing over the city does that mean we all have to sit at the blocker and take it? because that is no one abusing bugs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
lol Cw-ing is magic intended to destroy walls. Pass / Walk past a blocker, how you compared mountain/lake walking , with magic cast with the intend to do that is beyond me. Ur making all kind of bullshit excuses and comparing bullshit reasons, which isn't even related. Like CW and Mountain walking, right exactly the same. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
like i said you want it fixed ask the admin here is his email and his in game name so you can message him.
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I was mentioned multiple times in this thread and many disrespectful words were used to define me and my way of playing. I am going to reply to your accusations politely despite most of the people that intervened were not so. Topic 1 - Blockers First of all, I would like to point out that positioning a blocker in the right place has always been very complicated since the first time I played this game, I am not sure but I guess it was in 2007 or the beginning of 2008. There are two types of blockers: the ones that prevent enemies’ armies from passing and the others that just do not do their job. I am not saying that building a blocker is an easy task, I am not saying that I can teach other people to do so. Personally I don’t use plugins to check the terrains, I am an old school dude without discord, this kind of modern technology despite being useful is not for me. Even if the maps were perfect and everybody would use plugins, we would still have blockers that block and others that don’t because there will always be people that drop blockers in the wrong position. Period. I don’t personally accept to be insulted only because I take advantage of other players mistakes, this is the base of a game. When I say mistakes I really mean that. Take a look at Whoops’ image and just spend 10 seconds looking at it. It is clear that building a level 2 city in the middle of the bridge would have stopped every incoming army, on the contrary the blocker as it is now built simply doesn’t block, end of the line. There are also blockers that work because the actual size of the city is way bigger than the outline of the image displayed on the map. So basically there are cities that are distant from a terrain but they still block: what shall we do in those cases? Shall we force the defender to open the gates just because there is a passage on the side of the city that is blocked due to a “bug”? I think this is absurd and I am sure that the vast majority of the people in here will agree with me. If a blocker blocks it works, if there is a way around it it doesn’t, it is pretty straight forward. Topic 2 - Feeding I’ve read in this thread that is crystal clear that Ashcroft feeded me during the current era. Ducks privately and politely accused me to do so and I denied. At least they spent time and patience to explain me their reasons and I thank them for this. Unfortunately I see that everybody decided that I was fed without even calling me out in public. Well done, a just trial, even the Spanish Inquisition would consider this procedure quite abusive. Show me some evidence, no one should prove his innocence if the accusations are based on nothing, or at best on screenshots of stone prices that mean nothing. I’ve been looking at the market the whole era quite carefully since STG and nativing are my main source of income and I noticed tons of weird prices in every resource sold by basically all KDs: Ducks, HS and Elysium. I haven’t noticed anyone in Alba to be honest. As a general rule Elysium won the prize of more illogical prices during the whole era. I consider myself a grown up man and I said nothing because I have no evidence. Since some of the people here brought in the topic I would like to say one more thing: I’ve noticed dubious “new players” that ”by chance” drop every era in Elysium core, then they raise their economies with perfectly built cities using land dropping techniques to eventually abandon the game and leave their cities at the disposal of the nearest attacker. All these players fresh from Tutorial after building 70k or 80k buildings just get tired and leave. Forgive me if I consider all that weird and please correct me if I am wrong. Once again I cannot prove those cases are multi even if they look like multi to anyone that looks from outside. I think my reasons are quite well explained, at least at my very best considering it is late here, it is Friday and I am writing on a smartphone. I really like this game and all of you even if sometimes it seems we all react like a bunch of toddlers in kindergarten. Peace Gem / Eddano | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
For topic 1, I've had the same experience as you with blockers, started in era 30, so around the same time. I think you're completely fair in saying so, and that's exactly what I meant earlier when saying that different people have different definitions of honourable; You have fair arguments in thinking the way you do, and it's only natural that you don't take shit from people who one-sidedly tell you what to do. Topic 2: Market feeding will always be complicated to discuss and accusations very rarely lead to anything. From Ducks' perspective, any market price at 1 stone each or more from any player who can reasonably be assumed to know StG exists cannot be explained in an easily understandable way, as there is no chance anyone needing stone buys it above 1 each. As a former Elysium member myself, Konstant has always done his best to try to get as many new players in as possible. This has resulted in some currently active players still playing, thanks to his efforts, and has also resulted in them having (Ivanho's) multis fuck shit up before. All facts considered though, it's true that there have been a reasonable amount of players (~5? rough estimation) who do not fall under one of those two categories, and which I do not have an answer to. Public accusations without strong evidence and hypocrisy are a lot more damaging than some people realize =/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Hmm weird , than you might explain things. You said alba didnt do such thingd, but loved the accuse others right. Than why was ashcroft buying stones at .98 prices, and got caught selling 300 mil stonee at .7 ? Konstant had msg-ed ur king about it when I asked about why that same ashcroft bought mu stones at .98 before sold so many stones for such a low price. Just this alone, were you claim alba not to do such things, destroys ur entire post. Atleast when I claim the accusation I've got proof of what happend, called konstant on it and he msg-ed ur king. Now were is ur claim and proof of that feeding you talked about? For some weird reasons ur stones for 1.23 was being bought up aswell. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The best thing you can do is just play around the fact that a good number of blockers don't block. Relying on blockers completely is a bad idea. Have good magic. Strike the army as it passes by the small area that it can go through. Make another blocker behind it. Have armies in good positions to punish someone walking right into your core. If there is a world where there's going to be some kind of agreement like this, it would be Valhalla, but terrain walking or walking over a blocker that doesn't block isn't cheating. Feeding and multi accounting is cheating. Walking over terrain or a blocker is just an abuse of mechanics. I hope that if this agreement goes through on Valhalla, players do not expect it to apply to the other two worlds. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
personally i hope people take this problem up with zeta and have him fix his shit terrain plotting. no amount of agreements is going to solve this problem. it'll work for an era or a few and be right back to "that guy has no honor" because imo its not a bug if its been brought to his attention and he has refused to fix it it is a legal game mechanic at that point. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I messaged the admin and he said he made some update to the map | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
HnS has shit honor. We’re fighting this out. Sorry you didn’t do anything earlier in the era. If you played even a tiny bit offensively we would have rolled long ago. But now that you are playing defense… HNS realizes inertia is against them so they removed a weaker player to bring in a strong player so they can secure number 1 spot as a kingdom then attempted to rush an arma cast in. Eat a bag of phalic body parts. I voted no. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Can we also talk about the resource faucets that HnS/Ely core has conveniently installed? At least 3 different players built a nice dwarf city and went inactive. That’s at least 3 faucets that I’ve observed drive by plunders of. Talk about dishonorable when y’all getting into terrain walking meltdowns. One of those is a crummy mechanic breakdown, the other is knowingly supporting/endorsing multi set ups. I’m not saying you planned this, but the “honorable” play would be to capture these cities or BnD them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
There was Moozle & rio. They were both in ely and moozle was active till 10 days ago. Nobody had touched them not from ely or hns. They are untagged now cause nobody was at ely anymore havent seen konstant in ages. I moved to hns cause of los and ofc that they had more people was left alone in ely. Ive not seen misconduct this era in that kind of dirty play. Till now ive seen hns prep some of moozle towns. Not sure if they hit or not, but than again they inactive really, do you let others hit them? Ive joined ely cause when I signed up I had join kd as new player snd randomly put me here, think alot of people do that. I dont like dirty or dishonerable play not from others and defenitly not from people I play with. If I would see faul play I would leave that kd straight away. Like I said so far i have seen fault play, but saw yesterday and today people prep moozle, but what can I say you attack an inactive or lets the enemy attack? Also about arma, I saw that there was a kd winning part , and thats why people didnt vote no. I personally see ducks as the winners this era. They had a good balanced team. Hns & Ely lacked magic power, magic is pretty much what saved ducks from an earlier invasion. Ely had only jarl,acada,smaug and for a while konstant but he's gone for a long while. Not sure about the other kd's didnt pay much attention to them. To be fair the most dissapointing kd in my eyes was either xeta kd or albatross. No hate. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
We expect it to be fought out. I don't understand any hostility on honor, though. Bidi announced he was leaving weeks ago and I told the discord as much.
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I didn't lock Bidi, either, he left on his own accord. Thanks for the good run
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Bidi was our only orc. Whenever I took Rios crappy cities they would revolt the next few tick. I wouldn't call those any kind of resource faucet. I've only been able to attack it recently as I had three times his land and no hostilities. Phat: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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