There was no tampering.... that is what the casts showed me.

So you DIDN'T lose all the science levels you were supposed to? Please be honest; this may be a bug in the game.

BTW, ROF is now a lvl 5 spell.

Guys dont be so hard on him.
When you find a city of 10k Arms from a guide in the game...
What can you expect?
If guide is teaching people to build 10k Arms then people will just learn it wrong way.
Kath, just build 7500, that is enough.
Guys rather teach him then make fun of him.

You're right "faith" :)  That was inappropriate.  Yes Kath, 7500 is your lucky number from now on.

Wild Dragon Alert!

Who will be the knight in shining armor to slay the dragon?

Hmmmm.... well you lucked out then I guess....

I dont really know what good reporting the bug would be though... not like zeta can really change anything on it.

As a guide shouldn't you be showing a better example by not posting something like that up?

politics rock. Should have played starta this age

Stormy!! Where the hell is that belly rub you promised?

Just for the info, NBK has no relations with BB

Armageddon has been cast in your world!

Currently 5 people want the age to end, 4 do not, and 31 people have not voted.

Please tell me this is a bad joke >< Not only is there no clear winner, theres not even clear losers at this point o.O Well, except maybe BB for casting and admitting defeat. Still.

We say nothing about you kicking out two players and feeding of their cities (including an important blocker) but you tell the whole world how we feed on a wrecked blocker - bad girl!

  lol 3 eras ago the same thing happened to us, and us with 5 players, 2 of which whom dropped late (14 days and 30 days), managed to overcome those exact same odds (actually worse, we had 4 kingdoms allied against us with none of our own until very later when we cf'd a nearly dead kd when they were eaten from behind while warring us) Anything is possible, and you guys are still very much in it. Defeatism will get you no where except just that: Defeat.   (Although, I cannot say I would expect no better logic from someone who after very little prior communication expected the best to get their nap partners to adhear with insane and tactically unsound demands was insults and general hostility, on top relying on aotd with arguable the worst race for it in tier structure as of the recent change)

You say this about actions, when in reality until very recently, you didnt lose anything except what your own aggression had taken. Had you had built up more instead of taking cities in the infantile stages of the era when aggression is worth much much less, or at least left one person back to farm a decent unbouncable army (its not like you didnt have 10 people)  you may be in a better position then now, which is, completely reversal still with a little creativity. All it would take is coordination for the most part, especially with your new mage there ;)

Summary- Just because you are waving the white flag and cannot take an uphill battle doesnt mean someone who actually prepared to fight the whole map are, and in the same token the would be victors shouldnt selfishly be robbed of their chance to see it actually manifest itself.

@Glad- As for eating their kdmates, Im not sure what happened with Arthur (some of them have been talking about rage quitting for sometime because they feel us as nap partners have not done right by them, I would not be surprised if this was the reason for him) but the other player they "ate" was legitimately not going to be able to play VU for a while. Trust me, I thought they were untagging to war us before it was explained lol



 

I mearly said I would not be surprised if this was the reason. Im sorry, I know he is a good guy, but that was my best guess based on past events(Talents 4) and messages to my kdmates from yours.
 
I never meant for it to be presented as factual in any way hence why I said "Im not sure" and "I would not be surprised"

lol we are not admitting defeat just having fun messing with you guys =-P

is it defeat to be the one to kill everyone? i think not  >=-D

holy rant crap lol, I know I was bored but sheesh

"Oh gee, Tyrin, who was your rant aimed at? Me? Us? And I wonder why you bother to even show your face here all of a sudden. Worried that all your hard work would go to waste if Themyscira capitulates just like that? Hmmm.... you know what, maybe you ARE just encouraging us to capitulate :P I wouldn't really want all your hard work to bear fruit, would I... I much prefer another player to be #1 than you tbh :)" lool, no one here believes that. The only reason I spoke up is because of the premature arma, and my rant was aimed at you because your post supported it. And yes, I wouldnt want to be #1 of a prematurely ended era either, I would consider it healthily unearned. "I always thought the communication was a two way thing. Didn't see much crap from you guys only until recently. Even then, I had to talk to Von Darkmoor to get some things aligned. The young pup in your kingdom should not be allowed to get involved in diplomacy... he could have had the WHOLE MAP against him if he continued his immature ways (well, he does look young and green in his guide picture, so I can understand his lack of tact and control)." Thats the thing, before your seemingly out of no where enraged messages to us, there was little communication, especially non showing such high levels of expectations of us. It was all rather comical, the same way a teenage girl expects the world to be revolved around her. Especially considering half your demands came along the lines of "be a decoy" or "go beyond the bounds of your reinforcements with premature armies" and the like. "And now, it looks like you are able to comment on our strategy as well. How awesome, I am receiving advice from an amateur strategist. One who wasn't aware that all the takings we had done were from hostile kingdoms who were VERY NEAR to us... and to you guys. Hey, our actions allowed you chaps to farm up and you to make the comment you could make right now. Things would have been very different if we had done things your way, or had been politically sensitive and joined the rest of the map to take you down :) I wonder whether any of you could farm up a similar army in the process. Doubt it though... you guys are no Binh or Path. Heck, not even a Gladiatorul :P" lol, we wouldve undergone the same srat had you not been there. Its very easy to say such things since no one was actually attacking us, but you act as if we cant defend ourselfs with little or no proof nor idea of what we had at any given moment. Despite what you think of how long I have been around, i think my track record speaks for itself, I dont have time and sit here and site it and stroke my own ego like some. One thing is you should ask Von who was behind the plan to uproot Binh ;) Despite his brilliant move that landed him in our core (which was well contained after) it seems to have turned out well, even for you guys :P Oh wait, this is all coming from the guy who though me not moving all the way back to the core to smack him (something next to impossible to do and foolhardy considering what was already there) a treacherous move. Also ask Binh about his incredible lucky 6% aotd, the only factor that let him escape our core other then that person allowed to feed in the safety of your core attacking us sort of complicated things. Funny how that works. "Summary: I have actually no qualms about fighting an uphill battle or even a losing battle. Again, you are not familiar with mine and some of our histories... (you are pretty nub after all...) ask Von Darkmoor, and he can tell you that every era he and I have fought together, whether as kingdomates or as allies, we have always fought AGAINST the odds. " You know you are doing well in an argument when you resort to name calling, eh? Its funny, you actually have a far reaching rep on this game, Im afraid most of it is about your character and not about your game play :( "It is whether I CHOOSE to fight NOW, knowing that your kingdom, Tyrin, safe for only 2 (maybe 3) people, have been utterly useless and none contributors to what was essentially a joint cause." Once again, we were not aware to what you refer to as a joint cause until you started you know,berating us about it >< A little counterproductive? I dunno how your logic works. I know when common, who is a really nice guy, asked me to help I indeed did just that, despite your previously displayed belligerence. Also speaking to Binh, I wouldve remained in that area if there was a better plan then going beyond your blocker into enemy territory, a rather foolhardy scheme at best considering I am a dwarf and my army needs to constantly be refreshed. "Like I told Von Darkmoor earlier, I am very prepared to just stop doing anything (and my boys can decide whether they want to join me or not) and let your mighty kingdom take on the whole map yourselves. I will not stop OLC / NBK / BB armies walking through, I will not stop them taking my cities (intact too if I can :P). I however, will stop YOU if you try to do anything to us :) Afterall, Themyscira isn't really necessary to your victory, are we? :) You just need us to be the meatshield against the opposition long enough while you hit their weak spots." lol, if you wan to be defeatist, go for it. We arnt going to attack you, since we of course will honor the terns agreed to. Keep playing the meatshield card, the only reason we napped you guys (since normally we detest diplomacy and are regretting it heavily) is most of us at the start of the era could not be at full activity, especially me spending most the time in the hospital with my father whom I didnt know was not going to make it. On top of that, there was only 3 of you, and we certainly did not expect to swell to what you are now, and we still planned on taking the exact same course of action, ultimately, like we always do, fighting the rest of the map. "P.S. I doubt our new mage can do much anyway.... when I pitched to him, I merely asked him to help us delay our destruction by one more week. Not help us and OC win the era. I knew that with OC's continued mental incompetence, winning the era was always going to be out of the question." Surley you jest, you guys can still win. Its that defeatism in the way. You highly underate the quality of your other members,and I fear that from the way you are going about it, they are underrating them selfs too. "P.S.S. Incognito was going to lose all internet connection in a few days. Arthur had already quit the game 6 days earlier. Rather than allow the enemy to plunder and feed on him, I'd rather kick him and prevent his spoils from going to the enemy. See Tyrin, things are always not so black and white as it seems with feeding." Really? I was told they would be out of it for a month. You really kicked them over a few days? Seems blacker then I thought. "P.S.S.S. It was pretty hard work pushing yourself to #1, wasn't it :P Would be a shame to lose it all you know :)" You with all your cited experience should know what level of farce the hoh really is, especially in terms of halfer or dwarf being highly overinflated. Its amazing to see what really matters to you though. And if this is some sort of subtle hint that you plan on taking me out of it yourself, thats a wonderful testament to your ethical code. "P.S.S.S.S. I would like to thank Von Darkmoor, Korwyn and Pope for all the help they have given. Considering the kind of kingdomates you guys were playing with, I was surprised they even let you guys help us at all :)" Yeah, playing with them is truly a privledge ;) "Final P.S. Tyrin, please shut the fuck up and let Von Darkmoor do the talking for your kingdom. Thank you." rofl, the funny part about that is Von trust our judgment so much, that more often then not his official stance when asked about what to do is "Im down for whatever" Once again you try to dictate what we do. . . .I love how you think "nap" means "boss the other around and tell them to do silly things to get themselfs killed" PS- Im not sure if I mentioned it, we have 40% less membership then you and your mad at us for not saving your possessions that what I see as you own premature aggression put you in line for? LOL Your players are better then that, it sounds to me like they have done a little too much listening to you. PSS- the absolute best thing is if you recall, I left my core to invade the exact same time you did yours, with the same race. Hrmmmm, yeah, really farming up bigtime here ;) Thats while the ultimate oal was to fight Binh. Cmon, you know as well as I he is more dangerous then 50% of any given kds on the map membership :P PSSS "23:11:10 Sep 18th 11 - phoenix (Flame Lord Phoenix Blaze): lol we are not admitting defeat just having fun messing with you guys =-P" Well played

Tyrin, not only was your second rant near impossible to read but the general gist tells me everything I told you , you ultimately chose not to believe. I'm done talking to you if that is your attitude. Spin things whichever way makes you feel good you are already doing a fine job on that  :)

I supported arma myself :) Sure fighting NBK, OLS and BB has been challenging and interesting and fun  but also kinda boring ... but don't bother reposting, I lost interest in anything you had to say after your first rant :)

Are you retarded or just ignorant?  your attempted logic baffles me, why not just be blunt and say what you think instead of emoting and trying to make me say what you want to hear?   If you didn't believe anything I had to say previously why would you now? why would I bother to try and convince you otherwise? am I suppose to care what you think? and they say women aren't logical, say do you wear a skirt? :p

I would disagree

20:32:24 - Armageoon was canceled! There where 11 people who wanted the age to end, 12 didn't, and 17 did not vote.

A mere 30% of players voted "no" and Arma gets cancelled? WTF!?!?!?!?!?! It should be at least 50% or more.

Half of the map voted yes and half voted no BUT it was cancelled? Hell,there were enough people who hadn't voted to tip the odds. It could have looked like 27 yes and 13 no.

BUT now, we'll never know. Casting arma is hard enough, it should be this easy to overturn it.

Wow, Tyrin, were you that angry that you had to post without doing proper paragraphing? I hit a sore point right? :P

I will try to reply to your post to the best of my amusement :)

1. The plan to uproot Binh was pretty standard. Organizing a 2 way farmed up attack on him doesn't take require a genius. Unless that's what you are tryng to potray yourself as :P

2. You guys hardly contained Binh at all. He was just giving you all a chance since you are his kingdomates on Fantasia. Instead, the problem shifted to us, and other than 2 token freezes, you all did nothing to attack or reduce his army. Even with 2 major armies in your core. Yes, you let us deal with the problem of your own creation, rather than deal with it yourselves. This should be a lesson for any would be ally of Optimus... NAP them at your own peril.

BTW, you should ask Binh how he joined us. I disrupted my economy to pump up a secondary army strong enough to deal significant damage to him, and I made it very clear that that was the route I was going to take and he and I could die together early, or we could try to extend the era for awhile more together. He chose that offered card, no thanks to you or your kingdom.

3. Like I said, you are pretty nub at strategic thought. My suggestion to Binh regarding your maneuvers was for you to do a raid attack on the economic cities of certain core enemy players. It was not for you to go in there like an all conquering hero and try to hold territory... while the enemy was facing off against us, there was a crucial opening to exploit that could have seen you taking down vital economic cities. You could have done a hit and run and retreated back to get your refreshments. But of course, you were guilty of two things: 1) you thought only about yourself, and 2) you lacked (and still lack) foresight and vision :)

4. Again, your saying that I jest about not being able to win shows the shallowness and narrowness of your strategic thought. I won't bother to explain here, I have already explained the situation to Von Darkmoor, and he can explain it to you. I am sure that even if we tried our utmost best, and lost, you would still lay the blame on our shoulders anyway, so I can't really be bothered explaining to you or deflecting your blames away.

5. Re Arthur / Incognito - er, they told us were quitting permanently. Butt out of our kingdom affairs if you do not know what is going on. I could have always waited until their stockpiles reached an enormous level due to superior efficiency, and then kicked and plunder them. Unfortunately, I don't stoop to such low levels.

6. I see you are trying to provoke my players into going against me. Go ahead and do so, it has no effect on me :P And they themselves can clearly see what kind of NAP partners you guys are :) As I said previously, actions clearly count louder than words.

7. You have 40% less membership, and only 50% of your members are doing anything of substance and value (not including you too), whereas in my kingdom, practically 100% have put in their efforts until they had to leave.

8. Yes, I did leave my core at the same time with you to invade, etc. etc. etc. You guys focused on Binh, yada yada yada. Again, you seriously lacked foresight. After you guys defeated Binh, what have you guys done next. Almost nothing of substance. Next, look at the races of the opposition. Especially Bomber Brothers. And ponder how many late era races we have to face them if we didn't hit them first (and now, we have already lost tempo). And also, Gladiatorul already has 20K nazguls, and his economy is already outstripping mine. Nazguls are much more cost effective after a certain period of time and not even counting AOTD. But hey, you don't know all these do you? It is our problem right?

Now, how do we deal with our problem, since you seem to hold it is purely our problem. I will probably do nothing about it at all :P My kingdomates are free to do whatever they want, and most of them already do not care since they have noticed nothing much from you guys. Yes, we want to be defeatist. So go ahead and fight the map on your own. If you win.... you get all the glory and credit. We don't really need or care about it ^_^

9. Lastly, about my reputation and ethical code, you don't know me, so you do not know how I really am :) The people you mix with a people who do not like me, and unless you really know me well, you will never know what my ethical code is about. BTW, the people I talk to about you and young pup as well do not really think highly about you, or your skills :P But then you will say: look at our results. I will then say: do you know about my own results.

There are probably many other points I should be replying to, but I have lost interest in doing so.

So anyway, enough ranting and crapping, I think people are getting bored reading all this shit. Just do whatever you want in the future, and we will do whatever we want ourselves. See you later ^_^

Still going on about the age thing? lol I see someone is bored and wanting to troll, or just 'really' has nothing of substance to say. :P

Tyrin, I interjected myself because you used false assumptions I thought I had cleared up again.  Since you're still using them irregardless of whom you're directing them at, it sort of interjects me into the conversation.  But I'm not one to hit my head against the wall over and over again , it may feel good for a bit but ultimately I get bored with it;)

Kingdoms in Starta
	Themyscira	9	Ms. Hippolyta Hall	100
	Optimus Consilium	6	Mr. Corgi	83
	Odins last stand	9	Mr. Dragon III	68
	Bomber Brothers	5	Mr. Dire Wolf	56
	Natural Born Killers	5	Mr. Cptcaveman	54
	Symphony	3	Mr. Heroix	13

  lol Endless, your definition of "win" and mine are much different. Having enemies still alive contesting is not a win in my book.

Dying fighting is more of a win then that. . . . 

Someones whos idea of an valid argument is just randomly insulting people who disagree with over trivial things and trying to use ridicule over logic is not someone Im sure I would be in agreement with anyways. 

Have fun :)