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Barack VS McCain
10:07:20 Sep 25th 08 - Mr. Ares of The Guka Klan:

How do you think will win the election as USA president McCain or Barack . And why you think so. 


13:47:49 Sep 25th 08 - Mr. Roxbury:

Barack Obama. Hes younger and better looking. History has shown that US voters care little about the issues, but rather who is the prettier candidate.

"In September and October, Kennedy debated Republican candidate and Vice President Richard Nixon in the first televised U.S. presidential debates in U.S. history. During these programs, Nixon, nursing an injured leg and sporting "five o'clock shadow", looked tense and uncomfortable, while Kennedy appeared relaxed, leading the huge television audience to deem Kennedy the winner. Radio listeners, however, either thought Nixon had won or that the debates were a draw.[18]" - from wiki.


14:25:29 Sep 25th 08 - Duke Elliott:

I personally think it will be Obama, but not because i think that voters would seriously choose a prettier candidate. If Americans actually decide the running of their country on looks they must be rather unintelligent and stupid.

I think that Obama will win because he has a much fresher and realistic look upon the current issues undermining the American system. One example is the American market on Wall Street which was deemed to crash, but which Bush did nothing about. The Wall Street crash would not have even occured if it were not for his selfish and greedy attack on Irag for its oil. Everybody knows it wasn't to stop terrorists or because they had nuclear weapons, as there was NONE there.

Obama would not have been so stupid, and he will hopefully make constructive and positive improvements to the American system, especially the health system. I think most people hope to god McCain doesnt win as he isn't mentally fit to be president, due to being tortured during the Vietnam War and that he is 72. Also adding the fact that he plans on drilling for oil in national parks, which won't be completed for 10 years, 2 years after his presidency finishes!


Basically, if America isnt dumb, they will elect Obama


15:08:02 Sep 25th 08 - Prince Tiber Septim IV:

Let's elect Zeta!


15:13:35 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

Rox take a look at the portraits of U.S. Presidents starting with Washington and work your way up to today and you will find they are mostly old and ugly people.


15:22:34 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Lelouch VI Brittania:


15:59:59 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

For the financial situation in the U.S., there were very concerned Republicans who saw the impending financial problems facing the lending institutions back in 2001. President Bush called for new regulations to help avoid the potential melt down in Fannie May and Freddie Mac. Allan Greenspan also spoke of the need for new and stronger regulations. A bill was passed in the House of Represantatives to correct the problems but when it was sent to the Senate, every Republican voted for it, every Democrat voted AGAINST it. Since the Democrats hold the majority in the Senate, of course the bill was defeated in 2005. The Democrats by defeating this important legislation have helped to perpetrate the financial meltdown in America. Bush and the Republicans were on top of the situation years ago, but the Democrats will never let pass an opportunity to *beep* over their opponents. The Democrats did nothing to help avoid this problem, they did more to help create it.

If Americans are smart they will vote away EVERY Democrat in the Congress.

As for the energy problems, the Democrats have voted down every new drilling legislation for the past 20 years. The also tie up construction of new refineries with all kinds of legal and environmental red tape.

The preident does not make law in the U.S., only the Congress can write new law. The President does not control the budget in the U.S., only the Senate can spend the money.

So, please Duke Elliot, pull your head out of Obama's ass and try to get closer to the truth of what is going on in the U.S.


16:05:02 Sep 25th 08 - Prince Tiber Septim IV:

I don't get caught up with the political parties, I vote for who I think would make a good president...half the people I know vote for somebody just because they're a member of a specific party...


16:07:15 Sep 25th 08 - Mr. Bell:

uh ya how about you look at the main reason why all of our money is gone. The war caused a huge econimc boom at the beginning but now because of over manufacturing and no place to send it over anymore we are now facing a depression. It happens all the time no matter whos in presidency. So really its just a race on who can lie the most. Obama For The Prez


16:14:52 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

Yes, of course you vote your party. That's why you join it.

Are there a bunch of teenagers here? Where are all the adults who actually understand the issues?

 


16:23:55 Sep 25th 08 - Prince Tiber Septim IV:

As he neared his resignation, Geroge Washington wrote a letter to the nation. He warned of the danger of political parties, and how they would turn the government from a group of people interested in their nation's future to a rabbling mob of power hungry professional politicians. In short, he opposed political parties. However, near the beginning of the election of the second presdient, two parties, the Democrats and the Federalists emerged. They declined in popularity, however, and faded from the political mainstream of the time. When the seventh presidency (don't quote me, it was close to then, i'm pretty sure) began, two new parties gained prominence. The National Republicans, or Whigs, and the Democrats. These two political parties are still the most popular today.

 

Stupid parties...Washington for President!

;-)


16:31:43 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

The Wall Street crash, as you put it, is becuase of a monsterous debt to equity problem in mortgage back securities, not the war against terror. There is a LOT of bad debt right now. You are comparing a few billion on war costs to about half a TRILLION in bad securities.


16:40:33 Sep 25th 08 - Mr. Spoon:

I think McCain will win. The republicans have a crapload of tricks to get people to vote for them.
I hope Obama will win.


16:47:19 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Frederick:

@Mingan:

One of the main reasons the financial crisis is there, is because of the policy of president Bush that every family, even the poor ones, should be able to buy their own home. Which in itself is a noble goal. The people couldnt loan the money at first, because it was too risky for the banks, so president Bush fixed that by letting Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae take on the debt if the loans would go bad.

Too bad they're going bad by truckloads atm, which is the main reason why there is a financial crisis. Of course there are other problems, but theyre all colliding as we speak. The housing bubble however, is one created by the Bush administration.

About the energy problems, extra drilling wont solve that, since it would add very very little extra oil to the amount of oil you need. Its not like you will add another 50% to the oil supply, but more like 0.1% extra oil. It does little for the price of petrol at the pump. What needs to happen is simply using less energy, which should be easy for US citizens. Europeans can do it, so US citizens can do it aswell. The US uses 25% of _ALL_ the energy on the planet with only 5% of the population.

Oh btw, the Democrats only have had a majority in the senate for like a year or so now. Before that it was like 12 years of Republicans having the majority, so dont delude yourself. So the bill wasnt defeated by solely Democrats, but also by Republicans.

So, please Sir Mingan, pull your ass out of McCain's ass and get closer to what is really going on in the U.S. ;-)


17:16:51 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

Good lord, you are only repeating what the New York Times has told you. You too have swallowed the poison pill.

 


17:18:35 Sep 25th 08 - Mr. Ares of The Guka Klan:

haha


17:27:33 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

The President does not write loans for people. Banks do that and they did it poorly from years ago leading to what we now see is a big problem. The Government's position  is to insure the debt which helps potect the banking industry. The bad loans were not demanded by the Bush adminstration, geez, kid, you need to wake up. Regulations were needed and demanded by Bush, and defeated in Congress by a Democratic majority. That is what the truth is. Check it out instead of gulping down the leftist media kool-aide.


17:30:24 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Soccermunches:

Duke Elliott

Report


9/25/2008 6:25:29 AM

I personally think it will be Obama, but not because i think that voters would seriously choose a prettier candidate. If Americans actually decide the running of their country on looks they must be rather unintelligent and stupid.

I think that Obama will win because he has a much fresher and realistic look upon the current issues undermining the American system. One example is the American market on Wall Street which was deemed to crash, but which Bush did nothing about. The Wall Street crash would not have even occured if it were not for his selfish and greedy attack on Irag for its oil. Everybody knows it wasn't to stop terrorists or because they had nuclear weapons, as there was NONE there.

Obama would not have been so stupid, and he will hopefully make constructive and positive improvements to the American system, especially the health system. I think most people hope to god McCain doesnt win as he isn't mentally fit to be president, due to being tortured during the Vietnam War and that he is 72. Also adding the fact that he plans on drilling for oil in national parks, which won't be completed for 10 years, 2 years after his presidency finishes!


Basically, if America isnt dumb, they will elect Obama

 

You have no idea about American economy.

Frederick, you are much smarter. YAY! the housing bubble, in essence (what you said is rather correct as well), actually resides with the Fed. Not sure how much economics you know, but they basically dropped the interest rate far below where it should have been. This allowed people to take out mortgages and not worry about paying them back. It is basically a sale on mortgages, a really good one at that! so, being able to find good deals, Americans unable to pay back the loans took them out anyway, for the sake of saving money that they didn't have.

now the real problem with Bush is giving money to the lenders. That will do nothing the solve this, and in fact make it worse by teaching the lenders the government will aide their stupidity. laisez faire should have been the practice in this case.


17:46:53 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

Once again, the President does not write the checks, the Senate does that. Bush can only ask and make suggestions, the actual law and the costs to go with it are the function of the Senate.

Low interest rates made mortgages more attractive, but still, the banks wrote up all those bad loans to people who were not very well qualified to pay them back.


18:10:10 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

The republicans have a crapload of tricks to get people to vote for them.
I hope Obama will win.

You remember the "hanging chads" debaucle perpetrated by Al Gore and the Democrats to try to *beep*-over the Republicans? You must be drinking the same stuff Frederick drinks...


20:13:20 Sep 25th 08 - Mr. Brain:


20:31:00 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

The fact is, Franklin Raines became CEO of FNMA in 1999. He is a big-time Liberal and worked as Clinton's budget director prior to that. He has been in charge of FNMA for years and is now under investigation for improper accounting practices at FNMA. He has contributed 100"s of thousands of dollars to Obama and Clinton campaigns. He quit a few years ago when the FBI showed up to figure out what the problems in FNMA really are. The system was *beep*ed up by America-hating Liberals, NOT President Bush. You will be hearing more about this in the next few months. Now Franklin Raines is one of Obama's financial advisors and may be in line for a Cabinet post if (God forbid) Obama gets elected.

This you will never hear from your leftist media providers. You need to be smarter than what you think, believe me. There is much more going on than what you are allowed to read in the newspapers.


20:47:39 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

There is enough oil in offshore areas, in Alakan wilderness, and in Colorado shale to supply the U.S. with fuels for 60 years. What are you guys smoking? Of course you can help yourself with more domestic oil production. A lot of it can be had much sooner than 10 years.


20:51:29 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

Take a look at the records. There is no 12 year reign of Republican majority. It's in the public record. You are just way misinformed.


20:59:05 Sep 25th 08 - Sir Mingan:

Ther is no further point in arguing. You have been brainwashed by leftist media far too long. Yet, there is still hope for you. You will begin to figure things out when you are watching the nightly news programs and you ask yourself "Why are they giving me this information? What are they trying to make me believe? And what is the rest of the information they did NOT tell me?"

When you do this, you are on the path to freedom.


01:04:25 Sep 26th 08 - General Ezatious:

Brainwashed? seems you are the one drilling stuff into peoples heads here :) maybe open your mind a lil' ey ;)


01:40:22 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Wicked Witch of The West:

Ther is no further point in arguing. You have been brainwashed by leftist media far too long. Yet, there is still hope for you. You will begin to figure things out when you are watching the nightly news programs and you ask yourself "Why are they giving me this information? What are they trying to make me believe? And what is the rest of the information they did NOT tell me?"

When you do this, you are on the path to freedom.

 

Mass Media all together is bull*beep* but since you only said Leftist I imagine you watch Fox, maybe you should considering putting those questions to Fox. Lol If you want proof of this, watch Fox until you eventually see something about Ossetia. I guarantee that you'll be waiting for a few days, why? They were wrong.


02:02:05 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Ghost:

ACtually Mingan is explaining everything correctly. The oil we plan on drilling is a perfect idea since McCains running mate has a plan to make it less hazerdous to the enviroment. Second Democrats are dumbasses. They are for wellfare. They think that the hard working US citizens should have to pay for those to fuking lazy to work. They are also for the government to run EVERYTHING like health care,schools, etc. Thats to much power to the national government. Democrats are FOR taxes. With how expensive everything is todays especially gas, i dont want a Democrat running this country especially since majority of congress is Democrat and will skyrocket taxes to pay for programs that they think are necessary. They arent for cracking down on major issues but think talking is going to get sh*t done. For example i believe JFK was president at the time. The russians were on Cuba setting up Nukes to fire at us. JFK is the only democrat that has ever cracked down on a major issue like this. He told them either get off Cuba or i whipe it off the map. Russians didnt shoot one single nuke and left. Since then no other democrat has resorted to violence. In todays fuked up world talking gets you no where. You have to blow teh door down.

Republicans are for cracking down on crime. Democrats believe that if you teach people about things that it will mkae them not do it. WRONG!!!!! Republicans know that you have to crack down on these ppl who break teh laws. Also Republicans are for guns rights over democrats. Also they believe that the individual state governments should run all the schools. Also they believe that ppl should be allowed to buy their own health insurance which is exactly how it should be.

Now terrorism is a good issue. Obama gets in to office we might as well have nuked our own guys in Iraq. Obama will pull our troops out of Iraq. Big mistake. We do and that LZ will be a terrorists christmas party. And those of you who think there are no terrorists need an education BADLY. It was terrorists who flew those planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. NOt a fuking ghost. Second those terrorists were hired by Saddam cuz saddam didnt want to start a war he couldnt finish but he ended up doing that anyways when we found out that Saddam and Osama were in cahots.

Ok now Obama is always talking about "change." Take a gander on wat that means. C.H.A.N.G.E. and send it to me in a PM cuz i dont want to get flamed for wat it means if i were to say it in here


02:22:16 Sep 26th 08 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

simple as this, Barrak will give us change but will take our dollars, and that is just what we dont need during times like these


03:52:32 Sep 26th 08 - Sir Epyon:

this is an interesting website that you can mess around with and see who could possibly win which state etc..

http://www.270towin.com/


04:22:18 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Holokauzt:

man i didnt realize how many liberals their were...its god awefull..im sorry but all ofu retards will kill this nation if u vote for obama..*beep*in socialist bastads u bunch all are..

nana change we can believe in, *beep* if we take out our troops from the front we will be open to attack..Obama wants this...and for ur goddam information, we need that goddam oil that u blame bush of greedily getting for all you americans to critisice him and talk bad about him yet you buy his gas and fix ur cars with new oil.. YOUR ALL BASTADS!
UR liberal thinking ways KILL ME!  99% liberals play in here..1% republicans

AND as for saying mcain wants to drill oil and risk our environment for the greater of our future energy is a LIBERAL preference.. AND OPINION AND ITS JUST A MORALE Disturbance to all..YOU COMPLAIN about energy, YOU Complain about oil, YOU COMPLAIN about our soldiers dying for YOUUUUUU!   People Grab ur Fing balls, and proteect this nation...YOU say u want safety and protect our economy...GO MCAIN..U MUST VOTE FOR HIM!!



04:54:44 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

The Oil crisis is not Bush's fault *beep*s-.- The oil shortage has been a long time coming and we've just ignored it. Bush just ended up the unlucky president who finally has to deal with it. And he has to deal with it with a democratic Congress who are obeying their leaders and fighting every single plan Bush has.

Obama is saying everything people want to hear. He's saying the war is hopeless and so everyone wants the war to end. So then he promises to end the war. And voila, he instantly blinds everyone to the fact that he has no balls and is faking everything he says. ex. He was once asked to name a time where he has gone against his party to do what he thought was right. He named a time where he worked with McCain to work out a deal. The truth is, he ended up dumping McCain and the plan and running back to the safety of his party.

The war represents what America has stood for. We are the world police, we stick our necks into harm because noone else will. But so far, since it hasn't cost us a whole lot of problems we can say, go USA go and be all patriotic. But now that we are feeling a little hardship we want to just up and quit on Iraq and say screw our policy, I want my money.

McCain all the way!

P.S. I think its hilarious that you people would vote for a man named Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Its not my main focus but it is a little funny.


05:02:23 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Ghost:

Besides we are teh richest country on the planet. If we were to call in all our loans that we gave to rebuild countries then we would have more money then anyone on earth


06:45:13 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Belial:

NO MORE DRAMA VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


06:45:33 Sep 26th 08 - Prince Tiber Septim IV:

Vote Zeta!!!!!!!!!!!! :D!!!


06:48:48 Sep 26th 08 - Lord Charley Deallus:

Rubyian has some of the same ideas that I have...Bush got shafted by the bad timing of world events...right now he is probably one of the most hated people in world history...not many people may know that Abraham Lincoln was hated at his time and look at him now? Most Americans think he was one of the best US presidents...not sayin that the same will happen for Bush


08:38:51 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Opportunity:

I just have a question. Why are the biggest a-holes in the country the only ones who make it far in the presidential race?


09:09:19 Sep 26th 08 - The Farchitect:

It's all about money...  Whoever has control of the most gets to run the country...


10:22:00 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Arkanos II:

    Well, After the president is elected i smell a big Racial War ahead... I personally think Obama is the best, McCain is another George Bush... And it is obvious that they only care about money, not the people or anything else.

But see Now what I'm about too say will probably be deemed offensive but most likely the truth, IF Obama does win, Like Abe Lincoln, will probably be assassinated, This will begin a big thing between the darks and the whites about us being racist and things and yada yada. However if Obama loses the lighter people will be considered racist for not voting for him... Either way if you ask me... Whoever wins will spill alot of trouble.


11:12:34 Sep 26th 08 - Sir Frederick:

@Mingan:
Just because you're saying I am misinformed, does not make me misinformed. Lets assess your statement about the United States Senate, who according to you writes the checks and has been a Democrat majority for decades.

Just check the results in the following pages of the elections in (about) the past decade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2000 (Break even here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1998
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1994

You can see the results on the right side of the page. In 1994 was the last time the senate majority was Democrat. In 2006 is the next time the Democrats have a majority. In between, that is from 1996 to 2006, that is 10 years (so not 12 years, my bad here), the majority was Republican. Even nowadays, there is no Democrat majority per se, but only because there's 2 independents voting with the Democrats most of the time. In other words, it were the Republicans that were also part of blocking the oil drilling, not just Democrats, simply because there were not enough Democrats around to block legislation and checks.

This also explains why Bush was able to write checks so easily, the Senate majority was from his party, the Republicans. So you can either blame Bush or the Republicans, but certainly not solely Democrats.

So, its not what I have put in my drink, but what news channel you've been watching. You are the guy who've been way out of touch with reality and i just proved it. So, like i said, just saying im wrong doesnt make me wrong. In contrary, you are wrong and misinformed not me.

And this is coming from a European who apparantly knows more about the US system's history than an US citizen. Tssss...

Oh btw, yes, Europeans are getting brainwashed a bit, but not necessarily by the leftish media. Most news agencies that the European news agencies get their US news from is located in the North-East of the US, what is a major Democrat area. So yes, we get a lot of pro-Democrat news.

@Ghost:
Yeah, blowing down door in Iraq and Afghanistan sure helped now didnt it? I believe Realpolitik is a very powerful instrument, but only if used with moderateness. While economical embargoes can be given out without much back firing. Blowing down doors does not come for free, it costs a lot of money. And guess what the US is running out of? Exactly, money...


11:18:14 Sep 26th 08 - Sir Frederick:

About the tax cut plan of either party, i will just post this graph:



So, Republicans cut tax on the whole line, but mostly on the rich people. Democrat tax cut is less than that of Republicans, but it lands where it is most needed. So, think of it what you will. I think more people will want the Democrat plan, cause it cuts most tax on the average Joe. That being the lower 3 scales, which contains 60% of the population. So unless you earn more than 111K dollars a year, youre better off voting for Democrats taxwise.


12:22:36 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

Did you know that America already has the second highest taxes on the rich in the world? Why do we need to keep stealing their money? I don't care how rich they are, that doesn't mean we should be taking of all their money to cover for everyone else. McCain's plan is built to balance the economy and make it healthier all around, from the top down. Its not just about the middle class immediately getting money, its about balancing the economy as it is. Then everything else will fix itself. Obama's plan is a feel-good plan directed at getting him votes, just like every other plan he has. He is all talk. And that is the reason I will not vote for him. Its all about votes to him, his plan is to win the election first then worry about the problems later. McCain, as the more experienced person, knows what he has to do and has the balls to do it. He is known to go against his party and do what is right, not what the politicians want to happen. Obama on the other hand has done just about nothing in the Senate. A list of key votes on the most important bills shows that he always votes democratic. The only time he actually voted against the democrats was a time when the democrats and republicans agreed and voted the same. He has no balls, he's a little puppet who doesn't know what he's getting himself into.

You want the truth about taxes, check out this page: http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes


14:41:50 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Brain:

@Ghost,
"Besides we are teh richest country on the planet. If we were to call in all our loans that we gave to rebuild countries then we would have more money then anyone on earth"

Actually it's the other way around. In terms of loans, the USA are the poorest country on earth. Over 13 trillion US$ are owed to other countries...

How about you actually talk about things you know? Economy is clrearly not your field.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt


14:44:34 Sep 26th 08 - Prince Tiber Septim IV:

Sorta what I was thinking when he posted that...XD


15:35:30 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Ghost:

@Ghost:
Yeah, blowing down door in Iraq and Afghanistan sure helped now didnt it? I believe Realpolitik is a very powerful instrument, but only if used with moderateness. While economical embargoes can be given out without much back firing. Blowing down doors does not come for free, it costs a lot of money. And guess what the US is running out of? Exactly, money...

Lol your a dumbass seriously. If we were to call in all our loans that we loaned to countries to rebuild their societies we would be the richest country in the world and if Congress would stop being DBs they would finally call them in and we could supply our troops with more money for the next 100 yrs to fight the iraq war. And yes blowing the door down helped. Open your fuking eyes up. Have there been any Terrorist attacks since we entered?NO!!!!!! I say we shoulda nuked the place. If civilians wanna help these suckers out then they die with them. Let god sort them out as they come!!!!


19:32:32 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Brain:

@Ghost
Did you even read what I said?
USA has very given out very few loans, but in fact received many many more. Thus it's balance would be not nil, but negative.

So please, stop talking in discussions you have no idea about...
Read books instead.


20:13:28 Sep 26th 08 - Mr. Rubyian:

He is halfways right though in a way;-) The reason we can get such big loans without paying it back is because we police the world and protect many countries. Japan for example depends on our protection and instead focuses on technology and economy. In return, they loan a lot of money to us. America is basically getting paid for policing and aiding just about every other country in the world. Loaning money to America is basically and unofficial payment for America's aid. Or to look at it differently, they are investing in us so that we will be able to help them;-)

Our debt is larger than what the world should owe us however so we are nowhere near the richest nation in the world by any standard.


02:07:40 Sep 27th 08 - Mr. Ghost:

Brain you dumbass. We rebuild other countries after wars that we were involved in and if we were in that country. We dont just rebuild them and call it even. THose countries are indebted to us right now. None of them have payed us back yet. So we call in their loans which is ALOT such as Iraq, Afganistan, Kuwait etc. owe us a sh*t load of money


02:23:58 Sep 27th 08 - Sir Doomsday:

Sir Frederick

Report


9/26/2008 4:18:14 AM
About the tax cut plan of either party, i will just post this graph:

 

yeah but barack want to tax people that earn more money by a compley fait way and make it so people that dont make as much money be able to continue feeding off the goverment. thats rediculios. they need to be taxed more at the bottom and less at the top. well in some cercumstances that is. some people just get to the top of bussiness because their buddy is their and says oh hey come join me. thats *beep*. and share holders get *beep*ed over by these kinds of people who take 51% of the shares so share holders dont get any way. they should but a cap on that... like owners can only take 25.00000000000000000000000001%


02:36:10 Sep 27th 08 - Lord Charley Deallus:

I think people who are not old enough to vote should not be in here :)
Probably voting for McCain, but will read up on both so that I make the decision that is best for me ;p


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