|17:04:30 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:|
I've played quite a few eras on fant and mant. I took a little break from v-u and when I came back I found that things had changed. Now the difference between fant and mant isn't quite as extreme. Who thinks that kd scores on mant are not even comparable to fant ones, and who thinks they are quite comparable?
This era I fought using major fractions of my income oop. I think that any kd who fights hard straight oop and never stops is comparable to any fant kd. Also, often times on either world there is no fighting at all oop, what with naps. How is it then that the scores are not comparable?
note: that a few eras ago I would agree that fant was a whole other ballgame for scores. note also that I still think it is in terms of individual skill levels, which is not what scores reflect, so ya.
|17:13:20 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Kassius The Kookie Bandit:|
I think that any kd who fights hard straight oop and never stops is comparable to any fant kd. Also, often times on either world there is no fighting at all oop, what with naps. How is it then that the scores are not comparable?
this doesnt mean anything, yeh its great to see kds fighting oop and showing spirit but that doesnt necissarily mean anything else.
|17:20:27 Jan 9th 08 - Lord Seloc:|
I find in general that both worlds kingdoms boast simular amounts of power, (except for a few exceptional people.) but the fighting style is hugely different between the worlds. Man tends to find individually and blockers are easly past with the right amount of mu's. On Fant there are huge merge wars where kingdoms would wage war upon a blocker for weeks, then its all over for the defending side if their blocker's captured.
Fant still maintains their superiority, but if Man can manage to coordinate their efforts more they wouldn't be so far behind, and after a few eras experience maybe could equal a lesser Fant player.
But as it stands if a Man kingdom went against a Fant, the Fant kingdom would own.
|17:45:36 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Vengence:|
Seloc, I agree with what you say there. I have not played a large amount of time on fantasia, so have no real experience of it, but from what I have seen it is more organised in fant, all the kingdom fighting for the common good so to speak
|18:21:47 Jan 9th 08 - Sir Revenge:|
Vengence, your a newb just like me, its not really someone like you could really give this a fair point, in fact I'd imagine a few people would laugh at you for your last post
|18:37:01 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Vengence:|
not a nooob , but i see your point. I have played on fantasia however, though not for a large amount of time, and while there the fighitng was way more organised, something that a mantrax kingdom would not be able to cope with
|19:02:02 Jan 9th 08 - Dark Lord Finwe:|
you can see the difference by the fact that most kds that win mantrax come to fant and last less then a week
|19:39:09 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Sloth:|
Mantrax players should not be afraid to try Fantasia. The gameplay is much more interesting. However, it is difficult for an entire Kingdom to move to Fantasia, and I cannot recall the last time a Mantrax kingdom survived more than a few weeks..
|20:49:18 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:|
|21:16:32 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Vengence:|
especially since there are only 11 kingdoms in fantasia, lol
|22:57:22 Jan 9th 08 - Sir Iwasfrozen VI:|
Acually i agree with him, after being a vice in Pred in fant for 5 eras i decided to join aby and what Vengance said was basically true..
Fant players are better, full stop.
Not to say stronger or smarter but a lot more active, and each member of the kd works for a common goal, even though the fighing in fant is slower (Your lucky if you kill one kd of equal strenght in one era.), you get a better sense of teamwork and that for me is what this game is about. :)
|00:26:32 Jan 10th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:|
each member of the kd works for a common goal.... you get a better sense of teamwork and that for me is what this game is about. :)
|06:05:47 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Killstone The Exploiter:|
ya preds is a good example pwned in mant but when they came to fant they kept losing sometimes lasting a bit or they might have aslted but were not very good holding onto some citys to stay in fant with a bit of a score etc
fant is way more active id say than mant and more orginized and such wich makes fant KDs better than mant overall
|06:13:54 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:|
OMG OMG NO WHEY!
|06:26:18 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:|
Well I'm glad to see that talking without knowing is still strong on this forum. Mantrax kingdoms just don't have what it takes for the most part, the best current example is Preds, they pwned Mantrax big time and every time they got on Fantasia they got smashed and no, I don't really care who they warred and how outnumbered they are.
|06:44:18 Jan 12th 08 - Lord Protector Nimic:|
I'm suggesting that it means many mant kd's undergo the same strain on
income and development that many fant kd's do. If that is true, then kd
power (and power alone) are comparable. So, if a guy on one server goes
oop with 70% income into army and so does a guy on another server, and
in the end both have the same power level, what difference does the
server make? Their achievement is similar.
|06:47:48 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Sloth:|
There are crappy kingdoms that survive on Fantasia. The difference between a crappy Fantasia kingdom that survives, and an ambitious Mantrax kingdom that gets smashed, has everything to do with diplomacy and not gameplay.
|06:55:46 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:|
Some crappy kingdoms to survive but if even a few Mantrax kingdoms are even somewhat good they should be able to cope and they don't so they're not.
|16:29:05 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:|
I completely agree with Sloth. But I understand Nimic's point as well. Just know, Nimic, that although a fant guy can do more with less troops, that the same troops on mant will result in a similar response (eg, oh crap, 1500 men coming at me oop... better have 20k ready for him, etc). Based on that, if the guy under attack goes on to score high, he still pulled it off against an equal drain on his machine if you get what I mean. The fant guy will always beat the mant guy, but their scores are similar achievements. Also:
|17:22:57 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:|
"Then why post in this thread, because you are by your own admission not
looking at all the factors involved, and we're trying to get like a
real fair comparison. This is by some accounts the premier most
important factor in survival in this game. Name any kd, send the rest
of the server after them, and you get a bloodbath."
|17:34:47 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Clone V:|
hmm it has everything to do with luck
|18:46:19 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:|
Excuses like these won't cut it.
|18:58:06 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:|
"You give no reasons. Does this mean that if all kds gang up on yours
that your kd are a bunch of *beep*s for losing? If you say so....I say
again, any fant kd would be on the fast track to mant if everyone hit
them at once."
|18:58:26 Jan 12th 08 - Duke Luta Mor:|
What about the orc situation? A nazgul is the strongest troop in the game, yet scores do not reflect it as anything more powerful than say an adventurer. Score just goes by numbers, and again, numbers aren't always what count.
|19:02:50 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:|
Yeah orc's dilema etc. Also cavers are stupidly overrepresented in score, and possibly even advents really. The thing is we're all aware of those things and can take them into consideration. It is a really good point though.
|00:28:09 Jan 13th 08 - Mr. Hanky Panky:|
i didnt read the last 7 posts approx :P
Not to say stronger or smarter but a lot more active, and each
member of the kd works for a common goal, "
do i come under a fant player or mant player catorgory ? i do plan to go back to fant i have reasons for not being there
i havent played in fant for 5 era and when i was on fant i wasnt more active i know lots of mant players equally as active and more active than fant players :P
its more down to skill/practice/organisation etc mant/fant players are still the same as each they are both human beings some people talk like fant players are like some unbeatable robot lol
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