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Stirring Trouble
17:04:30 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

I've played quite a few eras on fant and mant. I took a little break from v-u and when I came back I found that things had changed. Now the difference between fant and mant isn't quite as extreme. Who thinks that kd scores on mant are not even comparable to fant ones, and who thinks they are quite comparable?

This era I fought using major fractions of my income oop. I think that any kd who fights hard straight oop and never stops is comparable to any fant kd. Also, often times on either world there is no fighting at all oop, what with naps. How is it then that the scores are not comparable?

note: that a few eras ago I would agree that fant was a whole other ballgame for scores. note also that I still think it is in terms of individual skill levels, which is not what scores reflect, so ya.


17:13:20 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

I think that any kd who fights hard straight oop and never stops is comparable to any fant kd. Also, often times on either world there is no fighting at all oop, what with naps. How is it then that the scores are not comparable?

this doesnt mean anything, yeh its great to see kds fighting oop and showing spirit but that doesnt necissarily mean anything else.


17:20:27 Jan 9th 08 - Lord Seloc:

I find in general that both worlds kingdoms boast simular amounts of power, (except for a few exceptional people.) but the fighting style is hugely different between the worlds. Man tends to find individually and blockers are easly past with the right amount of mu's. On Fant there are huge merge wars where kingdoms would wage war upon a blocker for weeks, then its all over for the defending side if their blocker's captured.

Fant still maintains their superiority, but if Man can manage to coordinate their efforts more they wouldn't be so far behind, and after a few eras experience maybe could equal a lesser Fant player.

But as it stands if a Man kingdom went against a Fant, the Fant kingdom would own.


17:45:36 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Vengence:

Seloc, I agree with what you say there. I have not played a large amount of time on fantasia, so have no real experience of it, but from what I have seen it is more organised in fant, all the kingdom fighting for the common good so to speak


18:21:47 Jan 9th 08 - Sir Revenge:

Vengence, your a newb just like me, its not really someone like you could really give this a fair point, in fact I'd imagine a few people would laugh at you for your last post
I on the other hand would stay out of this sort of topic, I have no idea what im talking about basically


18:37:01 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Vengence:

not a nooob , but i see your point. I have played on fantasia however, though not for a large amount of time, and while there the fighitng was way more organised, something that a mantrax kingdom would not be able to cope with


19:02:02 Jan 9th 08 - Dark Lord Finwe:

you can see the difference by the fact that most kds that win mantrax come to fant and last less then a week


19:39:09 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Sloth:

Mantrax players should not be afraid to try Fantasia. The gameplay is much more interesting. However, it is difficult for an entire Kingdom to move to Fantasia, and I cannot recall the last time a Mantrax kingdom survived more than a few weeks..

But if you are a good player, then it is not hard to thrive. Just about every kingdom accepts new players every era, turnover is very high (20-30%). Abydos is 50% composed of members new to the Kingdom. If you are active and have played on a lesser world, it is not hard to get a trial run with a top 10 kingdom.


20:49:18 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

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1/9/2008 12:13:20 PM

I think that any kd who fights hard straight oop and never stops is comparable to any fant kd. Also, often times on either world there is no fighting at all oop, what with naps. How is it then that the scores are not comparable?

this doesnt mean anything, yeh its great to see kds fighting oop and showing spirit but that doesnt necissarily mean anything else.

I'm suggesting that it means many mant kd's undergo the same strain on income and development that many fant kd's do. If that is true, then kd power (and power alone) are comparable. So, if a guy on one server goes oop with 70% income into army and so does a guy on another server, and in the end both have the same power level, what difference does the server make? Their achievement is similar.


21:16:32 Jan 9th 08 - Mr. Vengence:

 

 

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1/9/2008 6:39:09 PM
Mantrax players should not be afraid to try Fantasia. The gameplay is much more interesting. However, it is difficult for an entire Kingdom to move to Fantasia, and I cannot recall the last time a Mantrax kingdom survived more than a few weeks..

But if you are a good player, then it is not hard to thrive. Just about every kingdom accepts new players every era, turnover is very high (20-30%). Abydos is 50% composed of members new to the Kingdom. If you are active and have played on a lesser world, it is not hard to get a trial run with a top 10 kingdom

 

 

 

Kingdoms in Fantasia

Abydos Abydos 23 Dark Lord Finwe 1133
Zeon Zeon 33 Mr. Messiah 834
LGC Legacy 22 Mr. Roxbury 815
Havoc Carnage 34 Mr. Clone XXX 724
DB Dark Blood 24 Ms. Quietone 663
PHI Phi Factor 22 Mr. Mavich The Hypocrite 595
PKS Peacekeepers 20 Sir Grim Darkhammer 358
FF Freedom Fighter 8 Lord Scientist 175
BoW Brotherhood of the Wolf 15 Duke Drakos 169
SiN Safty In neighbors 3 Prince Sprout 0
HC Holy Cows 4 Mr. Naarkenea Tlithareth 0

 

especially since there are only 11 kingdoms in fantasia, lol


22:57:22 Jan 9th 08 - Sir Iwasfrozen VI:

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1/9/2008 5:21:47 PM

Vengence, your a newb just like me, its not really someone like you could really give this a fair point, in fact I'd imagine a few people would laugh at you for your last post
I on the other hand would stay out of this sort of topic, I have no idea what im talking about basically

 

Acually i agree with him, after being a vice in Pred in fant for 5 eras i decided to join aby and what Vengance said was basically true..

Fant players are better, full stop.

Not to say stronger or smarter but a lot more active, and each member of the kd works for a common goal, even though the fighing in fant is slower (Your lucky if you kill one kd of equal strenght in one era.), you get a better sense of teamwork and that for me is what this game is about. :)


00:26:32 Jan 10th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

each member of the kd works for a common goal.... you get a better sense of teamwork and that for me is what this game is about. :)

Here here. And the sooner the mant et al. kd's figure that out the sooner they'll make it on fant.


06:05:47 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Killstone The Exploiter:

ya preds is a good example pwned in mant but when they came to fant they kept losing sometimes lasting a bit or they might have aslted but were not very good holding onto some citys to stay in fant with a bit of a score etc

fant is way more active id say than mant and more orginized and such wich makes fant KDs better than mant overall


06:13:54 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

HC Holy Cows 4 Mr. Naarkenea Tlithareth 0

OMG OMG NO WHEY!


06:26:18 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:

Well I'm glad to see that talking without knowing is still strong on this forum. Mantrax kingdoms just don't have what it takes for the most part, the best current example is Preds, they pwned Mantrax big time and every time they got on Fantasia they got smashed and no, I don't really care who they warred and how outnumbered they are.

If people on Mantrax feel they are good enough, do please come to Fantasia and we'll find out.


06:44:18 Jan 12th 08 - Lord Protector Nimic:

I'm suggesting that it means many mant kd's undergo the same strain on income and development that many fant kd's do. If that is true, then kd power (and power alone) are comparable. So, if a guy on one server goes oop with 70% income into army and so does a guy on another server, and in the end both have the same power level, what difference does the server make? Their achievement is similar.

This would only work if one could assume that the skill levels of all the kingdoms were the same from Fantasia to Mantrax. A Fant has a harder fight on to survive. It's a simple as that.


06:47:48 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Sloth:

There are crappy kingdoms that survive on Fantasia. The difference between a crappy Fantasia kingdom that survives, and an ambitious Mantrax kingdom that gets smashed, has everything to do with diplomacy and not gameplay.


06:55:46 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:

Some crappy kingdoms to survive but if even a few Mantrax kingdoms are even somewhat good they should be able to cope and they don't so they're not.

There is only so much you can blame on diplomacy and not abilities. I'm the opinion that even weak kingdoms on Fantasia are so used to the gameplay and tactics used that they know what to do to defend themselves.


16:29:05 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

I completely agree with Sloth. But I understand Nimic's point as well. Just know, Nimic, that although a fant guy can do more with less troops, that the same troops on mant will result in a similar response (eg, oh crap, 1500 men coming at me oop... better have 20k ready for him, etc). Based on that, if the guy under attack goes on to score high, he still pulled it off against an equal drain on his machine if you get what I mean. The fant guy will always beat the mant guy, but their scores are similar achievements. Also:

they pwned Mantrax big time and every time they got on Fantasia they got smashed and no, I don't really care who they warred and how outnumbered they are.

Then why post in this thread, because you are by your own admission not looking at all the factors involved, and we're trying to get like a real fair comparison. This is by some accounts the premier most important factor in survival in this game. Name any kd, send the rest of the server after them, and you get a bloodbath.


17:22:57 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:

"Then why post in this thread, because you are by your own admission not looking at all the factors involved, and we're trying to get like a real fair comparison. This is by some accounts the premier most important factor in survival in this game. Name any kd, send the rest of the server after them, and you get a bloodbath."

Because everybody on Fant wars the same odds, I've already heard it before from Preds, "Carnage this Carnage that" or  "We lost people and everybody else GBed on us!" and so on and so forth. Excuses like these won't cut it.

Just because they think it's not "fair" that they get blasted, means nothing. Part of the reason people attack new kingdoms oop is because they know it means free cities, it's just the way it is and nothing until now has showed otherwise.

"The fant guy will always beat the mant guy, but their scores are similar achievements."

And since when is score anything runs by? Score at the best of times shows you can whore, nothing more nothing less. That you even think score means anything to anyone says a lot.


17:34:47 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Clone V:

hmm it has everything to do with luck


18:46:19 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

Excuses like these won't cut it.

You give no reasons. Does this mean that if all kds gang up on yours that your kd are a bunch of *beep*s for losing? If you say so....I say again, any fant kd would be on the fast track to mant if everyone hit them at once.

Score at the best of times shows you can whore, nothing more nothing less. That you even think score means anything to anyone says a lot.

Wrong; it CAN mean much more. Score means that the troops you trained are still alive now. That happens by winning your battles.  It can also happen by capturing other players' land and holding it, rather than building your own. Are you saying that all the people who ever won eras did it by farming? Given the number of eras you've been around I wonder if you weren't paying attention to what was happening or if you just weren't thinking before you wrote this. Maybe you've been hiding under a rock, only popping out to spout the same regurgitated slogans, taken out of context, that you hear others say. The fact that you repeat what real players say without thinking about it says volumes too, likely more. Score means nothing for farmers, but it means tons for someone who everyone saw fighting hard all era. I can see how you'd confuse the two situations since trench war has made the two one and the same lately.


18:58:06 Jan 12th 08 - Ms. Fellatio:

"You give no reasons. Does this mean that if all kds gang up on yours that your kd are a bunch of *beep*s for losing? If you say so....I say again, any fant kd would be on the fast track to mant if everyone hit them at once."

Are you retarded or dyslexic?

"bull*beep*"

Ok, that pretty much clears up the confusing from the about, you're just retarded. Thanks for joining the wonderful and select group of clueless mediocre mantrax players that wouldn't know fact from fiction if it slapped you in the face.

"Score means nothing for farmers, but it means tons for someone who everyone saw fighting hard all era"

Wow, you mean to tell me that all these eras I thought all the whores that whored for score and to have their name up on the Hoh page didn't care about score? Are you just *beep*ing kidding me?

Out of the last 10 eras that I just looked up only in 1 of it did a guy that actually attacked and warred for his position win. If you think that by warring you'll get your name up there you're delusional.


18:58:26 Jan 12th 08 - Duke Luta Mor:

What about the orc situation?  A nazgul is the strongest troop in the game, yet scores do not reflect it as anything more powerful than say an adventurer.  Score just goes by numbers, and again, numbers aren't always what count.


19:02:50 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

Yeah orc's dilema etc. Also cavers are stupidly overrepresented in score, and possibly even advents really. The thing is we're all aware of those things and can take them into consideration. It is a really good point though.


00:28:09 Jan 13th 08 - Mr. Hanky Panky:

i didnt read the last 7 posts approx :P
but i dont like this lol

"Fant players are better, full stop.

Not to say stronger or smarter but a lot more active, and each member of the kd works for a common goal, "

why are players in catagorys lol

do i come under a fant player or mant player catorgory ? i do plan to go back to fant i have reasons for not being there

i havent played in fant for 5 era and when i was on fant i wasnt more active i know lots of mant players equally as active and more active than fant players :P

its more down to skill/practice/organisation etc mant/fant players are still the same as each they are both human beings some people talk like fant players are like some unbeatable robot lol


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