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Barack Obama. Hes younger and better looking. History has shown that US voters care little about the issues, but rather who is the prettier candidate.

"In September and October, Kennedy debated Republican candidate and Vice President Richard Nixon in the first televised U.S. presidential debates in U.S. history. During these programs, Nixon, nursing an injured leg and sporting "five o'clock shadow", looked tense and uncomfortable, while Kennedy appeared relaxed, leading the huge television audience to deem Kennedy the winner. Radio listeners, however, either thought Nixon had won or that the debates were a draw.^[18]" - from wiki.

Let's elect Zeta!

I don't get caught up with the political parties, I vote for who I think would make a good president...half the people I know vote for somebody just because they're a member of a specific party...

Yes, of course you vote your party. That's why you join it.

Are there a bunch of teenagers here? Where are all the adults who actually understand the issues?

The Wall Street crash, as you put it, is becuase of a monsterous debt to equity problem in mortgage back securities, not the war against terror. There is a LOT of bad debt right now. You are comparing a few billion on war costs to about half a TRILLION in bad securities.

@Mingan:

One of the main reasons the financial crisis is there, is because of the policy of president Bush that every family, even the poor ones, should be able to buy their own home. Which in itself is a noble goal. The people couldnt loan the money at first, because it was too risky for the banks, so president Bush fixed that by letting Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae take on the debt if the loans would go bad.

Too bad they're going bad by truckloads atm, which is the main reason why there is a financial crisis. Of course there are other problems, but theyre all colliding as we speak. The housing bubble however, is one created by the Bush administration.

About the energy problems, extra drilling wont solve that, since it would add very very little extra oil to the amount of oil you need. Its not like you will add another 50% to the oil supply, but more like 0.1% extra oil. It does little for the price of petrol at the pump. What needs to happen is simply using less energy, which should be easy for US citizens. Europeans can do it, so US citizens can do it aswell. The US uses 25% of _ALL_ the energy on the planet with only 5% of the population.

Oh btw, the Democrats only have had a majority in the senate for like a year or so now. Before that it was like 12 years of Republicans having the majority, so dont delude yourself. So the bill wasnt defeated by solely Democrats, but also by Republicans.

So, please Sir Mingan, pull your ass out of McCain's ass and get closer to what is really going on in the U.S. ;-)

haha

Duke Elliott Report 9/25/2008 6:25:29 AM

I personally think it will be Obama, but not because i think that voters would seriously choose a prettier candidate. If Americans actually decide the running of their country on looks they must be rather unintelligent and stupid. I think that Obama will win because he has a much fresher and realistic look upon the current issues undermining the American system. One example is the American market on Wall Street which was deemed to crash, but which Bush did nothing about. The Wall Street crash would not have even occured if it were not for his selfish and greedy attack on Irag for its oil. Everybody knows it wasn't to stop terrorists or because they had nuclear weapons, as there was NONE there. Obama would not have been so stupid, and he will hopefully make constructive and positive improvements to the American system, especially the health system. I think most people hope to god McCain doesnt win as he isn't mentally fit to be president, due to being tortured during the Vietnam War and that he is 72. Also adding the fact that he plans on drilling for oil in national parks, which won't be completed for 10 years, 2 years after his presidency finishes! Basically, if America isnt dumb, they will elect Obama

You have no idea about American economy.

Frederick, you are much smarter. YAY! the housing bubble, in essence (what you said is rather correct as well), actually resides with the Fed. Not sure how much economics you know, but they basically dropped the interest rate far below where it should have been. This allowed people to take out mortgages and not worry about paying them back. It is basically a sale on mortgages, a really good one at that! so, being able to find good deals, Americans unable to pay back the loans took them out anyway, for the sake of saving money that they didn't have.

now the real problem with Bush is giving money to the lenders. That will do nothing the solve this, and in fact make it worse by teaching the lenders the government will aide their stupidity. laisez faire should have been the practice in this case.

The republicans have a crapload of tricks to get people to vote for them.
I hope Obama will win.

You remember the "hanging chads" debaucle perpetrated by Al Gore and the Democrats to try to *beep*-over the Republicans? You must be drinking the same stuff Frederick drinks...

The fact is, Franklin Raines became CEO of FNMA in 1999. He is a big-time Liberal and worked as Clinton's budget director prior to that. He has been in charge of FNMA for years and is now under investigation for improper accounting practices at FNMA. He has contributed 100"s of thousands of dollars to Obama and Clinton campaigns. He quit a few years ago when the FBI showed up to figure out what the problems in FNMA really are. The system was *beep*ed up by America-hating Liberals, NOT President Bush. You will be hearing more about this in the next few months. Now Franklin Raines is one of Obama's financial advisors and may be in line for a Cabinet post if (God forbid) Obama gets elected.

This you will never hear from your leftist media providers. You need to be smarter than what you think, believe me. There is much more going on than what you are allowed to read in the newspapers.

Take a look at the records. There is no 12 year reign of Republican majority. It's in the public record. You are just way misinformed.

Brainwashed? seems you are the one drilling stuff into peoples heads here :) maybe open your mind a lil' ey ;)

ACtually Mingan is explaining everything correctly. The oil we plan on drilling is a perfect idea since McCains running mate has a plan to make it less hazerdous to the enviroment. Second Democrats are dumbasses. They are for wellfare. They think that the hard working US citizens should have to pay for those to fuking lazy to work. They are also for the government to run EVERYTHING like health care,schools, etc. Thats to much power to the national government. Democrats are FOR taxes. With how expensive everything is todays especially gas, i dont want a Democrat running this country especially since majority of congress is Democrat and will skyrocket taxes to pay for programs that they think are necessary. They arent for cracking down on major issues but think talking is going to get sh*t done. For example i believe JFK was president at the time. The russians were on Cuba setting up Nukes to fire at us. JFK is the only democrat that has ever cracked down on a major issue like this. He told them either get off Cuba or i whipe it off the map. Russians didnt shoot one single nuke and left. Since then no other democrat has resorted to violence. In todays fuked up world talking gets you no where. You have to blow teh door down.

Republicans are for cracking down on crime. Democrats believe that if you teach people about things that it will mkae them not do it. WRONG!!!!! Republicans know that you have to crack down on these ppl who break teh laws. Also Republicans are for guns rights over democrats. Also they believe that the individual state governments should run all the schools. Also they believe that ppl should be allowed to buy their own health insurance which is exactly how it should be.

Now terrorism is a good issue. Obama gets in to office we might as well have nuked our own guys in Iraq. Obama will pull our troops out of Iraq. Big mistake. We do and that LZ will be a terrorists christmas party. And those of you who think there are no terrorists need an education BADLY. It was terrorists who flew those planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. NOt a fuking ghost. Second those terrorists were hired by Saddam cuz saddam didnt want to start a war he couldnt finish but he ended up doing that anyways when we found out that Saddam and Osama were in cahots.

Ok now Obama is always talking about "change." Take a gander on wat that means. C.H.A.N.G.E. and send it to me in a PM cuz i dont want to get flamed for wat it means if i were to say it in here

this is an interesting website that you can mess around with and see who could possibly win which state etc..

http://www.270towin.com/

The Oil crisis is not Bush's fault *beep*s-.- The oil shortage has been a long time coming and we've just ignored it. Bush just ended up the unlucky president who finally has to deal with it. And he has to deal with it with a democratic Congress who are obeying their leaders and fighting every single plan Bush has.

Obama is saying everything people want to hear. He's saying the war is hopeless and so everyone wants the war to end. So then he promises to end the war. And voila, he instantly blinds everyone to the fact that he has no balls and is faking everything he says. ex. He was once asked to name a time where he has gone against his party to do what he thought was right. He named a time where he worked with McCain to work out a deal. The truth is, he ended up dumping McCain and the plan and running back to the safety of his party.

The war represents what America has stood for. We are the world police, we stick our necks into harm because noone else will. But so far, since it hasn't cost us a whole lot of problems we can say, go USA go and be all patriotic. But now that we are feeling a little hardship we want to just up and quit on Iraq and say screw our policy, I want my money.

McCain all the way!

P.S. I think its hilarious that you people would vote for a man named Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Its not my main focus but it is a little funny.

NO MORE DRAMA VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rubyian has some of the same ideas that I have...Bush got shafted by the bad timing of world events...right now he is probably one of the most hated people in world history...not many people may know that Abraham Lincoln was hated at his time and look at him now? Most Americans think he was one of the best US presidents...not sayin that the same will happen for Bush

It's all about money...  Whoever has control of the most gets to run the country...

@Mingan:
Just because you're saying I am misinformed, does not make me misinformed. Lets assess your statement about the United States Senate, who according to you writes the checks and has been a Democrat majority for decades.

Just check the results in the following pages of the elections in (about) the past decade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2000 (Break even here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1998
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1994

You can see the results on the right side of the page. In 1994 was the last time the senate majority was Democrat. In 2006 is the next time the Democrats have a majority. In between, that is from 1996 to 2006, that is 10 years (so not 12 years, my bad here), the majority was Republican. Even nowadays, there is no Democrat majority per se, but only because there's 2 independents voting with the Democrats most of the time. In other words, it were the Republicans that were also part of blocking the oil drilling, not just Democrats, simply because there were not enough Democrats around to block legislation and checks.

This also explains why Bush was able to write checks so easily, the Senate majority was from his party, the Republicans. So you can either blame Bush or the Republicans, but certainly not solely Democrats.

So, its not what I have put in my drink, but what news channel you've been watching. You are the guy who've been way out of touch with reality and i just proved it. So, like i said, just saying im wrong doesnt make me wrong. In contrary, you are wrong and misinformed not me.

And this is coming from a European who apparantly knows more about the US system's history than an US citizen. Tssss...

Oh btw, yes, Europeans are getting brainwashed a bit, but not necessarily by the leftish media. Most news agencies that the European news agencies get their US news from is located in the North-East of the US, what is a major Democrat area. So yes, we get a lot of pro-Democrat news.

@Ghost:
Yeah, blowing down door in Iraq and Afghanistan sure helped now didnt it? I believe Realpolitik is a very powerful instrument, but only if used with moderateness. While economical embargoes can be given out without much back firing. Blowing down doors does not come for free, it costs a lot of money. And guess what the US is running out of? Exactly, money...

Did you know that America already has the second highest taxes on the rich in the world? Why do we need to keep stealing their money? I don't care how rich they are, that doesn't mean we should be taking of all their money to cover for everyone else. McCain's plan is built to balance the economy and make it healthier all around, from the top down. Its not just about the middle class immediately getting money, its about balancing the economy as it is. Then everything else will fix itself. Obama's plan is a feel-good plan directed at getting him votes, just like every other plan he has. He is all talk. And that is the reason I will not vote for him. Its all about votes to him, his plan is to win the election first then worry about the problems later. McCain, as the more experienced person, knows what he has to do and has the balls to do it. He is known to go against his party and do what is right, not what the politicians want to happen. Obama on the other hand has done just about nothing in the Senate. A list of key votes on the most important bills shows that he always votes democratic. The only time he actually voted against the democrats was a time when the democrats and republicans agreed and voted the same. He has no balls, he's a little puppet who doesn't know what he's getting himself into.

You want the truth about taxes, check out this page: http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

Sorta what I was thinking when he posted that...XD

@Ghost
Did you even read what I said?
USA has very given out very few loans, but in fact received many many more. Thus it's balance would be not nil, but negative.

So please, stop talking in discussions you have no idea about...
Read books instead.

Brain you dumbass. We rebuild other countries after wars that we were involved in and if we were in that country. We dont just rebuild them and call it even. THose countries are indebted to us right now. None of them have payed us back yet. So we call in their loans which is ALOT such as Iraq, Afganistan, Kuwait etc. owe us a sh*t load of money

I think people who are not old enough to vote should not be in here :)
Probably voting for McCain, but will read up on both so that I make the decision that is best for me ;p