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Jeez you people have some reall funny ideas. Religion is the funniest, I'll start from the begining.

GOD : there was a guy, he was called goddin, his wife, who was called Eden owned a beautiful garden, he had a son whom he called Adam, and he found a wife for his son, she was called Eve.

NOAH's FLOOD : It was a very nice flood, a bit like Amsterdam nowadays, the land which noah lived on was about 20m below sea level,(note he livedwhere the mederteranian is nowdays.) he only had a small boat and when the ocean flooded the mederteranian he grabbed 2 of every animal he owned onto his boat, so 2 chooks and 2 goats, and he sailed off to higher ground.

I am a bit short of time, give me some of the other bible stories and i will tell you the vein of truth in them.
As for how the universe was created, pretty much it is all a figment of my deranged mind. The answer to the Ultimate question of life the universe and everything is 42, and Goddin's last words to his people were "Sorry for the inconveniance"

That is all.
JLE
 

"Well thats a lie.Its a theory.meaning it isnt proven"

So much evidence points toward the big bang that the vast majority of scientists agree it is the most accurate explanation of the origin of the universe so far.  Nothing, and I repeat nothing, can be proven without a doubt.  Not even gravity.  But at some point you say "well it's happened every possible instance  that we've tested without a single contradiction, so we'll accept it as fact."

"We were created to fill the earth and care for the animals living here...not a flaw every religious book states this."

Pardon me, but we are animals.  Smarter, yes, altered the face of the earth more, yes, but naturally evolved inhabitants of the earth nonetheless.

".....These facts all support the bible interpretations also"

Problem.  They support the bible only if you interpret the bible to fit evolution.  And many Christians say that the bible is literal truth, six days was just the six days that we know of now.

"7 OF GOD'S DAYS."

Yet our science tells us that the order in which God made the earth does not reflect natural cosmic evolution.

'and also.for starters i advise you to bring in date theories as in 2007 this theory was proven wrong.Have a nice day."

Please provide evidence for this claim.  And please, don't go and link some bogus site like Answers in Genesis or some other Christian Young Earth Creationist scientist...

"Not proven.all they know is that we have oxygen in our blood.but we have other things in ou blood we dont breath in/"

Might I inquire as to how you believe we acquire oxygen, then?  We breath it--we know this because the food we eat does not provide enough oxygen to survive, and then the lungs would be useless.  We don't absorb it through the skin.  The atmosphere that we do breathe contains around %20 oxygen.  If you don't get enough oxygen in your lungs, you die.  It's not belief that helped the theory of respiration.  It was the evidence, in the same manner evidence supports certain models of respiration.

Any repect i had for Sir Kathandarion The Destroyer, has just gone down the drain.
The Holy Grail : The search for the Holy Grail is simply an Analogy for The search for the Elixar of life. Where is that story in th bible?, i couldn't find it.

Sir Jesus Left Eyebrow

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10/16/2008 9:44:17 PMAny repect i had for Sir Kathandarion The Destroyer, has just gone down the drain.
The Holy Grail : The search for the Holy Grail is simply an Analogy for The search for the Elixar of life. Where is that story in th bible?, i couldn't find it.


lol shows me your lack of knowledge.It at no point says the holy grail should be searched for.quite the oposite it says it SHOULDNT.that is exactly what i wanted to say as that is what everyone believes but it is not true.There is no correspondence between the two....the elixar of life will grant the user immortality and such.The Grail will let the person FEEL closer to jehovah....it has no matirealistic Power and is in fact a plain cup.

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10/17/2008 6:23:37 AM"....The most credited theory is that life forms(one celled) came on meteorites as pre life earth was too hostile."

No.  That is the theory of Panspermia, and most scientists do not believe there is significant proof of that, and it leaves the question open to "where DID life originate?"

"This is a lie and you know it.God created first the marine life.Were did marine life come in evolution.FIRST.then came the land forms.Also came next in evolution.then the animils who fill the sky.then us."

1.  Yeah... sorry, that's just not right.  To take one example, darkness requires no separation from light as it is simply the absence of it.  Nor did birds come before land animals.  God could not have created the stars as stars already existed long before earth had clumped together.

"The bible text of that was written in time indefinite and was read at jesus' christening in bc.......so explain this to me.The healing springs of Jordan.The fall of babylon prophecised 700 years before it occured.everything to how it would fall to when it would fall(on the very day) prophecised in the bible.who would be king at the time was also prophesised in the bible and even one tongue they would speak was yes you guessed prophecised."

You should learn why prophecy is not a good form of evidence.

1. Prophecies are usually vague, leaving an extreme vast range of interpretations.  People who want to believe will be the most likely to jump on even the smallest hint of similarity between similarity and occurance.
2.  Prophecies can take as long as necessary to occur.  You can't ever prove a prophecy false unless there's a specific date or time mentioned.
3.  Many prophecies are created long after the event has occured by those wishing to give it validity.  You can see this in virtually every ancient culture.
4.  Some prophecies are hardly prophesies at all; rather they are evidence-based (or lucky) predictions made by an intelligent individual.

In my next post ill show you the prophecy of The Fall of babylon.Unlike many prophecies most of the bible ones are STRAIGHT forward.the complex ones are the ones dealing with when the end will come and such.It states in clear language what will happen.
also so you know evidence is 19008 people were slaughtered after the prophecy was written by the babylonians.......if it was written after the babylonians would not of been able to do this.the whole old testamant was read as a holy book BEFORE babylon's fall so.It was evident that on a specific day the gates would be left open and the city charged by an invading army of EXACTLY a number in an exact fashion even though it was the most risky way to attempt invasion.by a king whose name was prophecised....Explain to me how you can use evidence of the past to describe a battle in a place you have never been to??


this is the thing i saw most flaw with so ill start here.when did i saw it CAME from land animals???I dont see it anywere.Also the bible doesnt say GOD seperated darkness from light.it says and there was light.the bible doesnt specify what happened to the stars or HOW he seeprated Darkness from light.

".The Lungs breathing in oxygen is most likely true but for the first what 978 years it survived THROUGH BELIEF.there was not a scrap of evidence to support it."

Heheh.  Here's a scenario.  You're getting choked and you don't get air, nor the oxygen within the air.  You die.  But when you can breathe in and out the air that surrounds you, you don't choke and die.  That's pretty compelling, and very very basic, evidence that we acquire our needed oxygen through the air.

Do you even study science or anything.this is the same thing that brought a man to publish papers saying MMR caused diseases. A link is not clear evidence for anything.and remember The Idea of respiration came before we could test oxygen levels or indeed even knew what oxygen was.


"the theory of there being more then one galaxy until about 20 years ago was based on BELIEF."

Actually, it was based off of math.  Yes, the same kind of math that accurately predicted the existance of black holes.

just to educate you it was based of of observation.When it was PROVEN by maths the idea had already been accepted and that was FURTHER evidence.

"n my next post ill show you the prophecy of The Fall of babylon."

Feel free, but you'll have to provide a credible source that the prophecy was written when it was claimed to have been written.

"this is the thing i saw most flaw with so ill start here.when did i saw it CAME from land animals???"

Please clarify what you mean by this.

"Do you even study science or anything."

Yes.  You're just not understanding.  The difference between the case of catching diseases from the air is different from that of breathing.  If you don't breathe, that's a certain death, near %100 of the time.  But on the contrary, although it was likely that disease would spread by the air, there was far fewer people who would get sick.  So you have strong evidence for oxygen coming from air and weak evidence of disease coming from air. 

"A link is not clear evidence for anything"

Depends on how strong the link is.

"The Idea of respiration came before we could test oxygen levels or indeed even knew what oxygen was."

Correct.  But respiration uses not just oxygen, but also the other gaseous elements in the atmosphere, and we knew already that it was this air that gave us life when we breathed it.

"just to educate you it was based of of observation.When it was PROVEN by maths the idea had already been accepted and that was FURTHER evidence."

For your own education, actually, when other galaxies were first seen, they were assumed to be nebulas within our own Milky Way.  It was math that showed they were far more distant--seperate galaxies.  So no, it was math, not observation, that gave the most compelling evidence of other galaxies.

I would also like to point out that many scientists thought that there was nothing outside our galaxy.  There's difference between a hypothesis and a "belief."

At this point, I'd like you to define what you mean by "faith."

Duchess Norg , your my hero .. i would have said what you did except i dont have the patience or the grammer to spell big words .. lol

great job