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Viceroy Engelhardus 7/14/2006 1:45:46 PM

Personally, I think homosexuals shouldn't marry at all. I know that we all have equal right and etc etc but humanity has lived over two thousand years without ghey marriage and suddenly they need it? Kinda odd. I hear ya'll screaming already 'Who are you to deny them the right to marriage?'. I have no right to deny them marriage but I personally feel that it is wrong. In my oppinion marriage is an institution between one man and one woman, not between two of the same sex. Call me ol' fasion but I also feel that two of the same gender can't properly raise a child. My personal feel, I can't win this battle simpely because for every argument in favor of banning ghey marriage there is a counter argument. Every man is 'equal' and should be treated as such, so states the law. I know I'll bonk a few heads with my oppinion but hey, that great law also states that we have freedom of speach, haleluja!

first of all, The romans were a very, " sexualy open race"and they were one of the first superpowers on earth, it is not uncommon for many of them to have non-differ sex relationships, it is believed marius and julius caesar were at one time lovers, but that doesnt matter, it has gone through our society, and i think whatever makes a person happy makes him happy, and you have no place in there descisions, and in there bed whatsoever, so let them do it, as long as there happy, cause everyone deserves some happiness

by the way, i was born , baptized and raised in a very prestigious catholic school in calgary, i have red almost all of the old testement and old testement, it was only till about 14, when i chose to leave that school because i found the bible full of lies, so if you want to argue god with me go ahead :)

Viceroy Blackadder 7/17/2006 8:35:24 AM

Religon is a manipulative organisation to control the minds of humankind.  the Christain sect of religion is one of the most divided and causes the most destructive forces on this earth.  Religion has caused more wars, death, and depravation of humankind than anything else in this world. The longest war in the world lasting over 300 years was fought between catholics and podestains, in Ireland.  Killing innocent people.  In the Crusades, good Christain Knights in the name of God, put to the sword, killing over 5000, women and children, because they were not Christain, no wonder the islam hates christainity.  The Catholic Church is the richest company in the world and does it's best to protect itself and it's riches and position.  It hides it's history and anyone who questions it's teaching are heretics. Call me cynical, and i am, but don't preach to me about it because unless you fully live what you believe in every way, if you don't you are like all the others, a bunch of hypotrics.

U missed 2 wars,

world war I and II  , the archduke was assinated b/c of his religion, sparking    the domino effect across europe, and Religious hate to the jews for ww2

which combined, the deathtoll mounts to far more then almost every war earth has experienced, combined, and if not, just add in the crusades and war of austrian succession, and then it would amount to more deaths,

this culiminates in the question, why would god let his own followers kill other followers? , pointless, and if god does exist, then he is utterly a FOOL  , who could probly care less about us, because he would have gotten bored of our "anthill" of a world, and went and made a new one, the basis is, god doesnt exist, and science will eventualy fix it's  gaps, ( as of course science is a process of trial and error to discover how the universe itself works)  , and will prove god wrong

lol ghouma, easy now.....

"Doggy you say science isnt Perfect, what do you mean by that are you stupid or something? Like I said before people cant expect science to explain everything already. "

In answer to your question, no, I'm not. Thank you for putting so concisely that we agree 100% on that issue; it may have taken me more words to get to the same point. Why you called me stupid for agreeing with you is beyond me...maybe I AM stupid for agreeing with you lol.

Anyway, it's fun to discuss all this stuff using human reason but please people keep in mind that it is just as easy to philosophise on the properties, origins, and intentions of dragons, leperchauns and Santaclause. There are more books out there perporting the existance of these things than there are of God. In closing, a quote from The Simpsons, my favorite show: "Ah God, my faaaaavorite fictional character!"

I've said it once, I'll say it again, God doesn't interfere because it gives our praise to him more meaning.

And on the note of all the other religions, there is a passage in Revalations that says that (roughly) that at the apocalypse only roughly 100,000 people will make it to heaven. Not because he doesn't love us, but because we don't love him. Think about that, 100,000 people out of billions are the only ones that are truely followers of his way. The rest just pretend to be. If you ask me, that seems proof enough that no 1 religion is right. He's saying that as long as they believe and love me and follow my ways, they will go to heaven. See the thing is, the believe and love him and follow his ways means alot more than going to church, or reading your bible every day, or praying every day. And in all honesty, I kind of doubt I will be in those numbers, I am a terrible person, The only commandment I haven't broken is do not murder. Sure I can repent and go heaven if I truely mean it. But at where I am in my life right now, I am just having a lot of temptations thrown at me and not rejecting them. It's a hard life, don't let the whole "purpose in life" crap fool you, it's so much easier to just say, "There's not a god and my purpose in life is to procreate" than to follow his ways.

chuck norris how is it easier to say theres not a god, as soon as someone is found out to be a "non-believer" the are discriminated and shunned by the religious. and tell me this, where is the logic in punishing so many people for their own believes? if it is truely free will we have beem granted that should not be punished.....explain me this, is it love or fear religion is based on? im reckon the latter

alright to better respond to all that you have said your post is going to be in red and my response will blue

Belzebub, I have no idea what you belive in but as long as you belive in spirits or tarot cards or chrisianity your still religous in my eyes.Once again you put words in my mouth, I've never said i believed in any of these things Lets begin with my ignorance of the bible: In school if I remember correct I was told the book of Job was about some bloke who god didnt like for no apearent reason so he let him go through hell on earth just to throw him down to the real hell after.WOW you know absolutely nothing about the Job yet you still insist on talking about it.  Job in a nutshell is about a little discussion between God and myself (belzebub that is).  God said to me "look at my follower Job he is really awesome and has never sinned." I told God that Job would not believe in him if God had not done so many nice things for him.  So God proceeded to prove it by taking away all the nice things he had given him.  Though he lost everything he still remained true to God...for a time.  Eventually he said that enough was enough he cried out to God that it wasn't fair and that he was blameless and that God was wrong.  God came down and said "who are you? have you seen the wonders of the universe..." god talked for a while i kinda just spaced out.  So then Job realized that he was in no position to judge god and that he was arrogant for having thought that he was better than God.  Job repented and God gave him back everything that he had taken and more. Then I went to a party and got really drunk and woke up next to a fat chick and thats the story of Job ;) why do all my stories end like that?    More I do not know. Why would I need to know of the entire bible to discuss religon with you you don't, you were the one that brought up Job first not I, dont bring up things you don't know anything about, desperate to get points nope?

And as for trying to understand concepts such as forever, we are limitied. But you missed the point of what I said. What is most logical that a god is created out of nothing or the bigbang who is accually proven this big bang of yours is a person? haha and you say that it is "proven." damn thats funny i bet scientist would disagree with you.  Hell there are evolutionists that would disagree with you.  Last time i checked it was called the THEORY of evolution.  So see there you go even scientist admit that it isn't proven (although to be fair it is a viable explanation). and the real question is what is more logical, that god has always existed or that the material for the big bang has always existed. in any case something has always existed and both answers seem pretty crazy .  

"Just i sadly don't know a lot about evolution, it seems to boring and unapplicable" I am happy to quote you again: "The best substitute for intelligence is silence or if you prefer the maxim: better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." I apply it to you on the same conditions.haha but you see the difference between you and I is that when i know not i speak not.  I admitted that my knowledge of evolution is not as good as it should be so i have not spoken as an authority on it.  You know nothing about christianity but that doesn't stop you from talking about it as if you are a theologian.

Hmmmmm I REALLY wonder why it "seems" unapplicable it seems unnapliccable because i haven't got my carbon dating machine in the mail and i guess i'm too stupid to see how fast evolution is going.  I can't see it, i can't study it, and so i must take someone's word for it and that is why it seems unnapliccable.  Its just like trying to find out how many stars are in the universe, i have no way of ever being able to find out this, and double check it so when scientist tell me how many all i can say is "um...OK" and i wonder if they are right or not.. Maybe because there are a milion fanatical christian "scientists" in colleges in the USA spewing out *beep*. Why trust people who has already made up their mind, if they were to say anything else they wouldnt be allowed in the colleges anyways. (Im only guessing ur american, if you are, consider that your from the land of propagandahaha i am an American and let me tell you that you are on the world of propoganda).

For crying out loud, as I have made clear I dont care what you belive in you might be a devilworshipper for all I care I will still say ur relious if you follow the great spirit wolf (althoguh I will hold you higher then if ur christian).  Well since you keep bringing up what i believe in (despite the fact that you dont care) I'll just have to tell you to stop the speculating.  I believe that in the begginning there was the word and that word was Kiwi and the great noodle monster loved the kiwi very much.  There was only kiwiw and the great noodle monster.  So the noodle monster got hungry and he decided to go to taco bell.  At taco bell was Ghouma argueing with the cashier.  "It says that in the book of job (note that he doesn't pronounce it Job) that god is a horrible person you american christian scum!" The cashier replied "Sir for the last time I'm an aethiest now would you please just order something or leave."  Then the great noodle monster ordered two divine tacos and waited for his meal.  While he was waiting Belzebub and Ghouma both got in a little spat and during their arguement they knocked over the great noodle monster's meal.  Angered the great noodle monster raised a noodle hand and said "Belzebub for your transgressions you shall be cast into oblivion."  Belzebub looked around and said "What the hell? this is my story you can't do this to me!!"  The ground opened up and Belzebub slowly sank down into the ground screaming.  Then right before his head went under the ground the noodle monster stopped "dude what is that?" "a crunchy wrap supreme" Belzebub answwered. "Dude you gotta give me a bite" the noodle monster reached out.  "Hell no!" Belzebub exclaimed. "Well what if i dont kill you then can i have it?" "Nope sorry its too valuable" "what if i free you AND punish Ghouma?" "well...only if it is a fitting punishment."  So in the end belzebub was freed and as a punishment the great noodle monster erased Ghouma's memory and put Ghouma on a planet where everyone was smarter than him and he named that planet earth.  ALL HAIL THE GREAT NOODLE MONSTER!!!and kyle died of aids two weeks later

This is a great way to spend an hour...

in the end what do we truely know?  The more i know the more i know i know nothing.

Lol wtf thoose colors made it hell to read ur post :)

First of all; u seam like a nice enough bloke sorry for the harsh tone.

What do you mean saying I dont know *beep* about christianity? I learnd everything about it when I was 7 yrs old when we read the bible for kids in school.

Anyways, as you can see there is somewhat of a language barrier because Im not very talented with languages (I even failed my french class). Of course i ddint mean the bigbang is a person. And I didnt say evolution was proven I said the Big bang was (scientists can measure the background radiation of it).

And yes, its hard for us to understand stuff like evolution. But just because we dont understand it compltetly we still know the basics about it wich we learn in school (right?). Because if you dont know *beep* about it, and the only thing you hear about it are a load of evangelical scientists and preachers with an agenda of their own deneying it and saying its rubbish I suppose it is easy to be sceptical.

One just have to look at if its really logical; That the world was created by something supernatural (I think it defines as something that isnt possible by any known laws of nature).

And I agree with you there are propaganda everywhere, but I think its probably worst in USA, again I dont really understand everything in you country but im trying to since its interesting :)

Yeah thoose colours can get anyone to their knees.

haha see two opposing people have come to some sort of mutual understanding.  This almost gives me faith in humanity.  Seriously I'm really teering up just like when i watch the movie "Blow."  I'm a bit saddened that no one commented on my little story, both Job and the great noodle monster had a couple jokes in there that I (at least) thought were funny.  *salutes Engelhardus* how could i live up to my name if i wasn't able to manipulate people?  Being the prince of lies isn't easy and o ya king satan for trying to take my spot you can just go to hell (not literally of course cause i rule hell, *shakes fist* you stay outta my hell)

 P.S. sorry for the colors i totally didn't mean to do that ;) REALLY I'm not being sarcastic it was a mistake.  See now no matter what i say your going to think im being sarcastic and that backspace button is too far away. O well until the next petty squabble arises.

Stop this argument before I have to step in and declare absolute victory.

Both, and neither.

Have you ever seen the move "I heart Hukabees" ??

There's a good lesson to be learned, one side is too dark, the other too light. There is no true right or wrong side, thats part of life. We just have to do the best we can to live a good life. And by that I don't just mean be a good person, I mean try to follow and do as God commanded. At least that's what I and all other believers will do, the rest I guess just need to try to follow good lives, though as long as you don't believe your doomed to spend an eternity in hell. But hey, thats just what I believe, what do I know :)

I do not defend what you say, but I defend your right to say it. I am now the bigger man, I win, get off my thread.

BK all the way

the vegatable guy is so right, KFC owns both mac d and bk

Jollibee!!

No way man, go to Perkins, open 24/7 and has breakfast taters, the most deliciousness ever to be on this earth!! Either that or go to Moes, Moes is frigin incredible!! Oooh or some chinese food, Wok and Roll, yea!! Or if you want the best italian you'll ever eat go to Bravo Italiano, I've only eaten there once because the cheapest thing on their menu was 11 bucks...but it was the most amazing food ever. Plus we went with some other people, one of my friends parents came, and then his dad paid for everyone, it was awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Does it really matter? It seems to me that religion dictates religion.

Quick question, should any other country have nuclear weapons then?

Or just let the group of people that has the argument fight instead of sending over thousands and thousands of troops.

Erunion: You're a christian? I'll have a go just to piss you off then:D

Remember those 10 commandments and stuff? One of them was "Do not kill." or something like that, right?
I wonder what did the Christians do to spread their religion with the Crusades. Besides, I think it's also against those commandments to take away land from other people and make them your slaves for decades and most likely rape some women and stuff, but feel free to convince me otherwise:)

Oh, and don't forget, Bush is a christian (at least so he says) who's praised almost like God on Earth by the christians in Jesus Camp where they brainwash the little 9 year old children to make the willing to die for Jesus. Of course since Jesus doesn't exist, there's this guy or two who know what Jesus would want them to do (as in who to vote for during elections and things like that...).

well, for me, if you are gonna argue about religion, you cant use things that only your religion uses, like the bible for example.  The Bible is a christian book so its somehow biased.  Christians wrote the bible.  They really dont have proof that it was dictated by a divine being.  How were they able to write the Old testament?

Just for fun:
According to the Bible, Only Noah and his family (and the animals) were saved from the great flood.  Then:

1. They discovered dinosaur fossils, so dinosaurs must be real. then how did those dinosaurs fit in Noah's boat?  Wouldnt they eat Noah and his family?
2. Did Noah's sons and daughters copulate with each other to produce the massive population now?  Isnt Incest against the teachings of the christians?

and its not really millions of wires :) just a few nerves.  Its definitely not a million nerves!

P.S.

sorry for multiple post. im having trouble editing my posts

Actually there are approx 1 million wires in the Eye, and it meets like that, while the baby is forming in the womb.
That is what Hitler thought, (Adolph Hitler, the one who started WWII, Just in case yu didn't know) and that was his reasoning for the murder.
It was only partly Evolution in the Cival War, it was a Darwinist theory that was slowly gaining popularity, and the belief that Negros were inferior, which was supported by said Darwinist theory.
If you actually did your research before blindly posting you would know that Noah had 3 Sons and NO daughters. His sons married before the ark was completed. According to the schematics left on the bible, it was, in fact, large enough to hold Dinosaurs. Also you may note almost all Dinosuar skelatons found seem to have died in a cataclysmic event, often being found seemingly panicked and in contorted conditions, often in large groups of these conditions all seemingly fleeing something. It could be said that there were minor scale floods or eruptions over time, but so many???
Never in ANYWHERE in my post did I say that it was alright to kill for religion, rather I said the opposite.
Science dictates the facts as much as religion. As I stated earlier, if the scientist's find anything they do not agree with, they merely say that it was a mistake, and place it back where they want it. Since they don't agree with the facts, they take what they believe (millions of years ago all dino's died out etc) and say that what they tested has to be wrong because it doesn't agree with their standpoint.

Carbon dating was a bit inacurate, lucky for us though we here in the USA have trees that are 5000 years old, and even cooler in a good climate not to rot.   Now they are able to  match the tree rings out some 10-12k years( I know god planted those other 4-6k years of rings to test our faith, sneaky god) and  have been able to make dating much more accurate because of it.   Only one example ofc.  Those fake 600k years of ice cores!  Wow you think the old man went a lil over board there?

But Ghouma give it up...It is one of the problems with  Telling  kids before they can talk that they will burn in hell for eternity unless they believe in this guy and must donate 10% of any future income to him..there minds become set.:)

the process of carbon dating is obviously based on carbon. :P  It goes like this:
All living creatures have carbon-based molecular skeleton.  when a living creature dies, the amount of carbon decreases over time. 
for example, i have 1000 carbon in me, when i die it decreases.  so for day 1 of my death, i will have 900 carbons left, then day 2, 800 carbons left.  and so on and so forth.  so when someone finds my body in the future they can predict the time i died by measuring the carbon atoms left in the bone.