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1) You did not specify anything about proportions.  That does not make all of us retarded :)

2) You still have not given numbers, proof, evidence.

3) You have not proved the correlation of inmates to religion due to religion itself.

I dont accually remember where I picked that up I googled it and found this. I got annoyed because you guys didnt think it was in proportion wich would be extremly ridicolous.

And no its not fair, the larger part of the athesits are most likly part of the American middleclass while the poor and more uneducated people who commit most crime are more religious. It may not be fair though but still intresting, people like this Ben Stein retard who think morals and *beep* comes from religion are out of their minds.

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But seriously for cristians it doesnt matter who you are, you are worth being a christian same for other main religeons (not jews).
Atheist only want educated people and stuff who are already rich.

I didnt get your first post about africa, care to explain?

....The rich and wealthy? I didnt know I was rich, accually I think the american upperclass is very religious, the atheists you will find in the educated middleclass. Your posts are rubbish if you ask me...

Alright, now let's go a bit deeper behind the numbers. Possibilities can include:

A: America can be considered a 'Christian' nation and some people can profess Christianity and not be one.

B. This is actually pretty common, alot of people who go to prison do become Christians while in there but weren't when they were doing the crime.

C. You can have Christians stray from the path and do wrong, we're not perfect here people.

Now do me a favor, and check out the largest % of people doing crimes in a country like... Egypt. Lemme know how the %s are there, and we'll talk about lawbreaking muslims.

ghoum i know very rich ppl can be religeos but my resopse was to others who talked about atheism as if tehy where better then religeos ppl. i dont know what counts for you. And i know educated and rich are not the same thing but i do meant atheists even if not that rich act like a diffrent class(thinking they know better and label religous people as stupid) even if they dont say it or admit to themselves.
bye saying this i label them but thats just my opinion what i read in the forums bye people who claim they are atheists.

You visit teamliquid, playing starcraft alot?

Sure, there are some things about thoose stats that are worth keeping in mind, they still speak though, in america you are much, much less lilkly to be a criminal if your an atheist.

Im an atheist and I accually think Atheists are better people then religious, all dont  but im sure alot of us do, its not that strange, the belife in god is so illogical that you begin to wonder what problems the religious people have.

@Ghoumzter well i dont play much sc recently, watch vods once in a while still

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Problems only appear when someone is extremely religious to the point of losing common sense. It's all good when you are reading bible to learn how to treat others with respect. Though there are a lot of argument to show that moral does not come from God/Bible. Comparing atheists and religious ppl as better or worse is the not the right thing to do. Perhaps one is able to think for himself more than the other. It is easier for your life to have faith, you have a mental support with God. There are many reasons and argument for the cause of religion listed in the link i provided ;)

P.S. SC rulez all other RTS.

and vice versa ?         join th real world, blue pill, red pill ...

 Thank God

:P (I just LOVE puns)

Ahem

On a serious note, I have been playing VU now for over 3 years, do you people know how many times i have seen a god/no god thread? Geez, you would think the debate would have gotten old after the 3rd thread:P

"the belife in god is so illogical that you begin to wonder what problems the religious people have."

Care to explain what those problems are.

I do not flame people, hes is the one who started flaming Christians by saying they have problems.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

you thought I might start flaming even though he did first; like Ben Stein said Christians are pushed around, so you decided I was in the wrong even though I did nothing but try and defend what I believe.

Ah cmon, christians used to kill people of other religions and atheists, lets at least be able to discuss religion and not be botherd about if its politicly correct...

Sir Patton Report 10/25/2007 8:14:43 AM

That's the catholics man, and I'm not going to get into that debate as if they're totally 'Christian'

smart :p i dont think any of us here have much deep knowledge in philosophy to debate this correctly... or i could be wrong :P

*waits for philosophy master degree guys to pop out*

wow people calm down .

Did you just make that up Carnage?

Sorry, posted in wrong thread, never mind me:)

And Scientology came later then Islam, and hence updates Islam?

i won't say any thing else i don't want to gt involded

islam encorige part of that scince , cuz most of it want the change .

those denominations came about after the reformation thats when the catholics split into the protestants and catholic churches

Arthion, how the *beep* can you belive there is statistics for that to find on the internet?

what statistics are you talking about and for what?

yes muslim contries leave other religouns be. unlike all of europe.
Who pretty much killed many as infidels.
But ofc you dont get that in history class.

Alright, as the chart that Lacewing shows, Egypt's prison population is predominantly muslim, therefore I can attribute the high crime rate to the muslim faith, can I not? That is the logic that Ghouma's trying to use.

Find me some other country with a predominant religion (Japan - Shintoism/Confuscism/Christianity, India - Hinduism, Budihism (sp?), Christianity) and the numbers will reflect that as well.


Dragonfly - If I were to go over to Saudi Arabia and ask that my Christian church be given our own building (you can stop right there, but I'll keep going), our own rights, a seperate section for prayer, etc. etc. I'd probably be laughed at, attempted to be converted to Islam and maybe killed by some radical. NEXT.