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Above, I was right again, which proves I am a god and if you write something else, I won't read it and that proves I win.

here is a site to play sakaal

i wi*beep*s right now

Thanks, Mbeidas. Yes we are brothers in that we are humans. I hope you learn to use your own logic and learn how to be very critical about everything you are taught, especially religion. If I was god, I would not kill you, but I would tell you don't believe in me because I do not exist.

i would put some pictures its in arabic both are draw well names allah and mohamad

the holy word allah

the things talks, and said god ,why we dont ?

forgive me i didnt give them your right word

we serve you till end

and your holy house ,we go as pilgrams

mohamad i did but god who shows

you are messanger and prophet from god

please god for them, the devil had covered ther hearties

my darly

but the supreme word

Çááå           

Here are images of the worst terrorist attacks on Earth:






They are from here (link).

Yes, we are friends Mbeidas. I hope your Allah does something about the development shown in the above images. Or maybe it is the judgement day.

Unfortunately we don't know yet how to fly to the heavens (spaceflight) so the hell on Earth will be the only option left for everyone.

lol i asked friends to end this topic

so as i read the arabic side i found it measterius if you read it its nothing let me tell you a thing

koran is arabic and you read it in english

and that site could be write in english but it worte in arabic thus not all elves are bad but you had them devils watch your thumb ,

if my people are terorist ther is no word can describe your people terorist thus its your language take your time make stupid words

i am son of giants son of esmaeel and ibraheen my fathers are noah and adam as your fathers , you have essence of ignoring , that if i tell you to jump from the empire state you will , thats why people tell you i am terorist omg i am sitting on my computer ,

this image will not happen yet rome will be opened in hands of elmhdy mohamad and the pope will not be killed ,

did this photo happened so you draw it you swiddesh norway and finland and denmark stupid people , people of germinia not better than guals not brition , stupid vinkings are coming to learn me the evulution of matter no historical proof was given only that stupid thought about it for 4 second in 1850 and the anther thought about it for 1.36514521  second in 574 before the earth is made ,

oh comon  lose in houner mate did you see the sky made its name as allah in arabic , it was up to mecca last pilgrams day , as god described the jews

god said : jews like the donky carring books " god is always truly say

the only defferce that you ar not donky , excuse me worst .

your not talking to a kid your talking to a nation, mohamad nation

i asked friends and i cant do , you asked war because you can , i remember i am not allowed to judge on you ,

you are allowed to judge on your self , just try to read islamics books as i read stupid historical books on hades and posiden and osiris and ra

thank god we are the nation of pen

I CHALLENGE 
Muslims 

I receive many mails from angry Muslims who sometimes beg me and sometimes order me to remove this site. None of that has any effect on me. I consider both pleading and bullying, the signs of psychopathology, which stem from a variety of personality disorders affecting the followers of Muhammad. 

If you disagree with my site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as bully or as victim, I invite you to disprove my charges against Muhammad and Islam. If you can show that what I say is unfounded I promise to remove this site not before confessing that I was wrong and Islam is a true religion. I will also pay 

$50,000 U.S. dollars 

to anyone who can disprove my charges and prove Islam is a true religion in an objective (not subjective) way. This is to thank you for showing me the right way. Hey, what is $50,000 dollars compared to being burned and tortured by a sadistic deity? 

  The challenge is:

Disprove my accusations against Muhammad.

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror) 
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader 
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" 

My debates with Muslims are published for the world to see. Read them. Do you think anyone of my opponents had a wining argument?  

All they said can be summarized as:  

a-      Denial of the authenticity of the Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, the head of the Submitters) 

b-     Moral relativism and situational ethics, i.e. “In those days,  pedophilia, assassination, rape, theft, massacre and lying, were common practice, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else did.”  Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim we do not have any bases to condemn Muhammad. In other words evil can be good and vice versa (example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

These are the only two arguments that Muslims present. I am sorry but any rational person can see these are logical fallacies. Read these two debates. If all you want to do is to rehash the same logical fallacies, don't waste your time, as you can see I have already responded to these arguments.   

These charges have no answer. You simply cant disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are considered confessions. You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point. That is why I offered $50,000 as the reward to anyone who can disprove those charges. If I had any doubts, I would not have risked my money and also would not have dared to oppose a sadistic deity like Allah who likes to burn humans for eternity for disbelieving in him. I know for certainty that Muslims have no answer, Muhammad was a liar and his Allah is fabricated by him. These I have proven exhaustively. 

To read my charges in more detail read my debate with Mr. Shahzad. I have to add that Mr. Shahzad was a rare Muslim who intelligently argued his case and never descended to logical fallacies or insults. I did not manage to convince him to leave Islam but he earned my utmost respect. 

Before trying to refute me, I urge you to read at least the above three debates and write only if you have something new to say, otherwise I will not even read your email, let alone respond to it. You must realize that I can't respond to a billion people who repeat the same thing. 

I receive countless requests from Muslims to debate with them and mostly the challengers are not scholars. Obliviously I can't debate with a billion people. So please don't write to me requesting debate. All you have to do is prove the above charges against Muhammad are wrong. You don't need to debate with me for that. I can prove Socrates, Marx and Freud were wrong even though these guys are dead. Consider me dead. Prove my charges are wrong. Read my previous debates. You can start from here. 

Once you wrote your refutation of my charges, please post it in the forum. 

Muslims are triumphalists and claim victory even when they are clearly defeated. A Muslim can never accept defeat. A Muslim's typical response to this site is: “my faith in Islam grew after I read your site”. How can one's faith grow after reading the proof that the man whom he thinks to be a prophet was criminal psychopath?  Has anyone disproved any of those charges for Muslims to increase their faith in Islam? Or is it that they are worshipping a demonic god? 

I have debated with Muslims who claimed victory because according to them I have not proven that Muhammad’s sexual relationship at the age of 53 with the 9 years old Aisha constituted pedophilia. I consider this a self evident fact that needs no proof. I do not think there is any need to prove that day is bright and night is dark to a seeing person. And to a blind, proofs are of no avail.

My debates with Muslims are listed here and can also be found in the forum of this site. No Muslim has yet proven any of the above charges wrong.

They ask me, what if one of those charges is proven wrong; would I still remove the site?

Firstly none of those charges are or can be proven wrong.

Secondly even if hypothetically one of those charges is proven wrong, would that exonerate Muhammad of other charges and make him worthy of his claim?  

If you can prove any of the charges wrong I will remove that charge. I will remove the whole site when all the charges are proven wrong.

I repeat again, the challenge is not to prove "I" am not infallible. The challenge is to prove Muhammad was not guilty as charged. For him to be worthy of his claim he must be acquitted of all the charges. 

Muhammad claimed to have "sublime morals" (68:4) and be “a good example to follow" (33:21). He referred to himself as "the mercy of God for all the worlds" (21:107) . Surely such a man can't be a rapist, a pedophile, a looter or be guilty of any of the above charges.

So far a few Muslims have responded to this challenge. Here is our discussions. I don't think they managed to prove me wrong. Can you? Do you know of any Islamic scholar who may be able to do that?  If you can't prove what I say about Muhammad is false, why are you still a Muslim? Why you insist to follow a false doctrine? Don't you think the miserable state in which the Islamic world finds itself is because it is following a false doctrine that is dangerous and backward?

Please don't start writing your refutation before reading the articles in this site. You'll be shooting yourself in the foot. If you want to write and tell me: "Oh you are wrong. Islam is a religion  of peace". "You take everything out of the context". And other clichés like these, please don't. I receive many messages like these everyday. Don't send me the URL of Islamic sites telling me to read, as if there is something new there that I don't know. I have read all of them, they rehash the same nonsense and I have answered them all. I refuted the Quran and don't have to refute thousands of apologetic sites on Islam. If the Quran is the biggest miracle of Islam then don't ask me to refute the interpretation of a follower of the Quran. Take your time, go through my refutation of the Quran and my views about the alleged miracles of the Quran or the claim that it is "scientific". Write to me ONLY after you read few of the articles posted in this site. Most if not all your arguments are already answered.  

The best way to win an opponent is to know him and learn about his weaknesses. So read carefully. Don't try to prove to me that Islam is right. Prove to me that my accusations against Muhammad are wrong. But first read the charges and my proofs. 

Ali Sina

please read the debate page and if you want to send your refutation post it in our forum.

The following are a few names that have been invited to defend their claim on Islam but declined. 

Dr. John Esposito

Ali Sina's open letter to Prof. Michael Sells

Dr Zakir Naik  never accepted to respond to my charges against Islam.

The World's Greatest Showman  is a conclusive rebuttal of all Dr. Naik's claims. 

Huda at About.com 

Please send your invitation to any Muslim scholar you know and invite him to defend Islam. 

so i clicked i found it funny

khadiga was his first wife he got from her 4 childrens not 9 , so i want my 50000$    but i dont need money was made by donating that

tell me make your self neutral

why islam not chrtion not jew arent they give the clear thing that god is one we can attack chrtions and jews with many mistakes but why islam make yourself neutral and ask your self ,

mmmmm

because its the right thing

that man named ali senna will soon mmmm killing him is right of islam judge as ther is no islam judge i cant do that

mmmmm   i will talk to mohamad alkora*beep*he new prince of islamic state in iraq i will take the judge from him remember 3 people are allowed to kill

the killer

the man had sex with not his wife thus he is married

the man out of islam

thank you mbeidas

Your quotes are great :-), thanks mbeidas, for helping us, the non-believers :-p   

personnaly i think you must be blinded, do you have only one book? and no logic mind?        or maybe you're studying to become an imam? (lol)

oh you people suck if you want to look at histroy back see all roman betraydes and the crusades betraydes

come on one book is the koran look at russia who are filled with commens as you people they made a goldan koran as repst of us and you stupid mmm i cant found worse word i can post it and it will not come as  beep

ok lets meake it clear again a bunsh of photos made sakaal crazy how about if you know all our relegion .

make it clear again , god exist how did mohamad won all his battles and muslims won all their battles it was destiny for them to rules , rule in name of the god ,

dont tell me they had the evulution of their wepon before ooooooo

clear again i like this clear i wish god clear this planet from you commens , so what presidents talk and hammas fight , and nazzrallah fight , and mohamad elkorashi in iraq also fight ,

i gave you mind you said gods , i gave you god you gave me matter, i gave you the matter and proof , you wanted a logic mind ,

can you please tell me what you want you lose and lose and still lose if i am muslim , look at the all wrong in your communities , islam made the humans more polite as i was when you people made me crazy my problem that i still laugh when i write cuz come on when i finnish with sakkal ghoma come when i finnish with ghoma you zengo and rengo come and then sakaal come with anther site ,

i beated every one of you in his game with book from god and says from mohamad and history and using 5% from my brain power as all humans do ,

so the little sakaal afriad from the sky say

or beez wrote allah

look at your hand the right hand and the left hand

god names again they are 99 as

and sakaal is now afriad i know i took the photos from your site but its cool that man has a bug in his head

lol i will post of this to make sakaal more young till he diraper good theory why dont you belive in

in america and in the capitol building there is this

huh the ghost is everywher sakaal

      tell me in scintefic way do the winds goes like this , its somthing not normal , its god see more i donno i just put google image search lol

      tell me why all of those takes this rounds why this cuz these rounds make the word the holy one

dont tell me all of the things in world say god

god said : "everything is thanking God but you dont understand".

god is always truly say

      sadam is in paradise he said ther is only one god and mohamad is his prophet before he dies in arbic dam i am going hell

        grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr    this is my last post lol i will only read just take your time to id yourselves

Mbeidas, I hope you get better.

The only thing I really am afraid of is if mankind manages to destroy this planet Earth we are living on. That has nothing to do with Islam.  I am afraid of the climate change and uncontrolled population growth.

You said the link I posted is no better than my shoe. Well, I have very nice custom made shoes. A shoe can't get much better. So, I guess that article can't get much better either. It is a great website if it is as good as my shoe.

Mbeidas, you are the one who is afraid. That is why you are posting so many mixed up messages. If you were confident, you would post clear messages that make sense. But because you are afraid, you panic and you post all kinds of confusing things. And you should be afraid, if you believe in rubbish like religion. That stuff will mix your head and make you weak.

You are afraid, because you are used to seek refuge in those Arabic texts, and now you must question is Qur'an really the word of god or is it just an old book written by a charismatic leader, a fortune teller--they always lie, even when they are right. What if Qur'an is just a book like all other books? What if there is no afterlife in paradise?

What if all the billion muslims are wrong and all your people are living in a delusion?  Let me tell you it is not "what if".  That is exactly how it is.  That is the truth.  Welcome to the real world.

Today some Islamic hard-liners have barricaded themselves in the Red Mosque in Pakistan with their weapons and taken more than a thousand innocent people hostages.  In November 1979 Islamic hard-liners seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca and they shot people dead in the Grand Mosque. These muslims spill blood and kill their brothers in Mecca.  Islam makes many men lose their mind and become violent lunatics.  You should be afraid that it does not happen to you too.

*Tiber walks in and notices the religious conversations.

"I aint touching that with a 10-foot pole"

*Tiber walks out

It is fun to argue with religious people. Gives me a kind of insight to how their head works (or doesn't work).

Whatever you post, some think it's interesting, some think it's silly, some go nuts, etc. Ghouma and Tiber Septim seem to think it is an uninteresting topic (yet they too are participating in it).

I think Mbeidas's attitude is examplary of how muslims regard others. The Qur'an teaches they must kill disbelievers when they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), and the list goes on.

In any modern society teaching Qur'an, if it was written today, would be banned as preaching hatred against other religions (and nonbelievers) and women. Just consider someone writing a similar book, and replace the word "unbelievers" (and its synonyms) in that book with the word "black people". If we did that, then 2:191 in Qur'an would say: "Kill the black people wherever we find them"

Then imagine religious schools teaching that as the word of God that must be absolutely correct and cannot be wrong.

Just think about it.  If you preached that, you would be definitely locked up for preaching racial hatred.  There is definitely something wrong here.  Why are the muslims allowed to do that?

I think racist fascism should be fought and banned even if it tried to hide behind a religion and claim it was peaceful. If these fascists really were peaceful they could prove it by taking these absurdities out of their book and stop teaching hatred.  But they won't so they are a menace to the rest of the mankind.

I am simply saying this:  Let the same law apply to us all.  It is against the law to tell people kill based on their ideology.  It is against the law to tell people commit crimes.  The Qur'an approves numerous crimes and the Islamic preachers want muslims to believe that is the word of god above any other law.  I think that is simply illegal.  Freedom of religion does not include the freedom to persecute others.

If you think this thread is "silly", it is because one religious fanatic is sabotaging
 it by posting these absurdities.

Saying Islam is a religion of peace is basically the same thing as saying Ku-Klux Klan is a movement of peace. Except for that Islam is far more dangerous even against their own women.  Anyhow both the Qur'an and KKK preach to kill.  If you say I am being unfair, say it to the almost 50'000 Islamic terror victims or their families.  Yes there are more war victims, but that does not give the KKK any right to kill more African Americans, neither does it provide any justification for Islamic terror.

I am also opposed to the current US government that starts wars too easily. I am not saying we should kill muslims--oh no, their holy book is saying they should kill us, but that is the wrong way.

I still think Islam is a religion of hatred against others that should be moderated or actively repressed to conform to modern laws. The Qur'an needs to be edited (the Arabic original needs to change).

Yes, this is a very controversial post that you might even call a "troll", but it also happens to represent my honest opinion.

1) stop make me laugh when i dont want .

2) stop writing oh no , your making fun of your self , well if my head is no working then i beated you with it turn off how if i turn on oooooo

3) and again sakaal pass the ball on the audince , mate my thumb is gone and i am telling you dont take half of the verse and leave the other half cuz you took what you want and left what you want ,  it said clearly and i will also write the verse before and the verse after and you people judge , you sakaal do this and you know its not right please play in fair

god said :" fight in the way of god (the jihad) and dont start the violince god dislike the beganer people who start the violince * and fight them where ever you see and put them out from your lands as they put you from it and make two people fight is a crime even more than the killing , and dont fight them in the forbidden house of god till they fight you ther , then if they fought ther , you are allowed to fight , and that is the punishment .

god is always truly say

now tell me a relgion asking for kill say dont start the battles and say fight for your right and say dont make people fight each other its worst than killing and and and you say its not peace relegion ,  sakaal pees in his viper and cries

4) thanks sakaal i just found this page of koran great its all laws of war if you read it all you will be amazied.

5) i imagine you as a jew you are telling people , turn it to black , but god didnt say it in black , see what i am talking , islam told us to respect , la la la la la la :P i have relegion you dont , if ther is no god i will be a muslim cuz it teach me respect a thing you missed in your communities . west ,

6) why do a man lie to keep somthing secret , why the god the almighty need to lie so he is always truly say , tata ta taaaaa ta ta taaaaaa .

7) am i talking to a donky ghoma ? is sakaal a donky , oh sorry i didnt know your here sakaal i told you why you make people hate islam in even wrong way didnt you read that , dont make two people fight , oh yea koran can teach you , of course it can . we are allowed if you take your lands and we dont start ,

8) oh come on you are talking about raciem , who made this topic you can look in page one sakaal

9)woow word of allah is a law young man , well he made the law , and he judg us on a law ,

woow you made the topic and you say silly , i say siller and the creater lol

who is in hell  are the kkk as kos emak shrmota 3la eir 7mmar , woow you role in your talking you talk a word and make a paper on it , ou must be a politicion or something like that you have all the simmilars

stupid , talk and talk with no meaning , and hate islam , 3/3 perphect go to bush you may got 50 000 dolar in a month for this

10) lol i would say good boy , oh mate come on little bunny , you make people think we carry guns and all , wanna see kids with their bones are broking with rocks by 10 israli soliders see this rap its cool

meen irhabi              you will get a page and the rap in the page click play and listen its arabic but ther is english down and vedio

to see the nation power with stone against the tank

and see who is the terorist ?

Mbeidas, you sound like the English-Babelfish translator. You can find the link on page: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Babelfish

So we agree religeous extremists are bad?
yes?
good.

Ghouma, I think it is silly too to post all those pictures...  I posted two, which are indirectly related, i.e. to make the point that I consider climate change a bigger threat than terrorism.

Tiber Septim, you are very right. And don't worry if they get mad at you. :)

I have written on various Internet forums a lot and every time some religious people and even some nonbelievers get mad at me. On the other hand many others like my writing and that's the way it should be. Not everybody agrees. So don't worry even if some people do get mad at you.

1) ah then  in final i am the terorist the bad who kills . wanted to the interball , and i am gainst peace , and everything right i want it wrong ,

2) did you read anything i write i bet , you are judgeing and i am 5 hours far from you ,

3) then call what you want , at least we dont sell our relegion and our houner for money and to make america take a good sight of us ,

i forget who said this but it was roman man

"let them hate us , as long as they fear us" thus islam dont say anything like that i am writing it but patiant have limits , as long as you didnt get anything i dont money from you , 25 empire came to palestine , dont tell me not all called the palestinian terorest , god give us victory so we would be with him

when we forget him and fought for sovits and natz we lost

when we fight in his name and i mean in battle feild not in bombing cars i told you george bush and the pop example well i dont think you read that , and you wright 9-10 sentences over and over , back to the wining subject we won his name and loyalty ,

you maybe can get our petrol , or our houses and lands , you maybe have power to put us in jails , you maybe call us what you want , tell me .

do you have power to tell an american what did you done in iraq ?

even he is a boy can you ? cuz they are more power !! no sence . well your sons in battle feild may have loss (death ) or wining . its 50% succes

"but we maybe win , and maybe go paradise "  we fight for somthing you cant imagine

your people fights for money , even young people go the army for money , he dont or he wont do anything for his country , no no no he want to go back to his gf ,

i didnt know about the babel fish before , i understand the reason you put that link , i know or any man is not english talker from his childhood can understand the english meanings or the english phases , but you dont have right to blame .

I'm planning a trip to your paradise, mbeidas.  Odin said i could, but i have to rape your virgins and burn and pillage whatever i find :-)   Walhalla, you can't beat that!          maybe if you honour ODIN, and fight well, and kill many men, he'll send over his walkuries to fetch you!  you're not lost yet!  convert to the only through religion!  the norse pantheon will always rule!    

ODIN IS TRULY SAY

Sorry Mbeidas, I was making fun of you because you did that to me first. You said I was afraid, and you laughed at me. So it happens I make people laugh at you. You need to give respect if you want to get respect.

The way how you argue is mostly disrespectful. Sometimes you make good points, but mostly you just ignore what others write and spam your own texts over and over again. You should concentrate on quality, not the number of words or the number of images you post. I write quite long posts too, but every word I write I do it carefully.

Money is a good servant but a bad master. It is quite true that many Western people (many business leaders) have taken money as their master.

I am Finnish. I started learning English when I was 9 years old, but I am not a native English speaker. I have never lived in an English speaking country. I have learned the language through studying it and by using it at work. My colleagues are Finnish too and we speak Finnish with each other, but quite often I have international teams, and I need to write documentation in English.  That is why I get to use the language regularly. It is good practice to write English at Internet forums, and I respect you do that. Still I think your language is not very good yet, but you will probably learn in time, if you keep writing.

And you can be sure, if you keep spamming too much unrelated posts and confusing language, and if you keep laughing at me, I will surely make everybody laugh at you. On the other hand, if you read carefully what others post and if you respond with carefully written language, you will get respect too.

I was careful, but somebody still got mad at me :(, I'll just be quiet now and go back to roleplaying where I belong, I'm not serious enough to have these conversations...

omg you gave me rights and wrongs ,

the right : most of time i write arabic i show people to islam in arabic most of them are muslims but not the right they dont pray or they eat in ramdan so i think i must show also the stranger people .

in the making laughing mmm i was not humilted , and your only at the begin , you also didnt make him laugh only because he agianst me he laughed or said hahahahaha,

if you live in my country if you humilted its easy to taken , as its not the first time israeli do that to us ,

lol when you wrote finni*beep*hought it was the last , lol then i remeber finland well english and france and spaanish all hte same latin letter as in english you say car and in spanish you say caro , so thats maybe , we will learn chemstry and phisc and biolgy in next year ,

i swear i thought i am ending the thread so i posted some photo's then you start to say bla bla bla  then i puted the weird wrote allah word

I said I would stop posting but he said spanish was like english...

Gatto-Cat

Si-Yes

Dos-Two

It isn't the same at all! And I sort of type lol a lot by reflex, don't know why, but if I say lol don't think I was laughing at anybody...